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NeoGAF's Political Leanings

Whitesnake

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This lean goes back to the purge, doesn’t it? A lot of the people who blindly follow leftists narratives left, inclusing the moderators who saw themselves as arbiters of social justice.

People who were right-wing and had to hide that fact now had the power to speak their mind freely. People who wanted to join but were dissuaded by the moderators enforcing their personal idelogies now had no reason to fear that.

I originally created this account both to follow the shitshow of EviLore’s accusations as that situation was ongoing, and to join this community if and when it became anything other than an authoritarian-left hugbox.

Of course, this new wave of right-wing acceptance means there’s gonna be a lot of people joining up who blindly follow right-wing narratives. I think the far-left and the far-right have a roughly equal amount of participants, it’s just that most of the people in the middle lean right, so right-wing narrative-pushing goes unnoticed unless it’s incredibly obvious, in contrast to left-wing narrative-pushing which is always onvious as it sticks out like a sore thumb.

And there most certainly are people on this forum who blindly follow leftist narratives, even when they’ve proven wrong on multiple occasions (Covington, Smollett, Mueller, etc.) I think these very vocal people with such a strong allegiance to their leftism more than make up for the otherwise lack of left-wing voices.
 
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Makariel

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Guns are a right.
In the UK they aren't. They aren't a right in most countries, just in a small minority.
Abortion is [generally] disgusting.
But still legal in many countries until a certain time (which varies from place to place) and should remain so. Regardless of what you or I personally think of abortion, it's not our place to tell other people how they live their life. Or to quote yourself:
Smaller government is always better.
I would like to keep government out of the decision if I have a baby or not. Not your governments business, not your business, just my family's business.
Globalism drives up unemployment and props up dictatorships like China
Gross oversimplifation. "Globalization is thus not merely about commerce. It also involves the movement of ideas and innovations, with network creation as an important byproduct (Lorenzen & Mudambi, 2013)." Source
I have personally benefitted from the ease of travel, less restrictions at borders, visa-free travel to many countries and the ability to work and live in multiple countries, so I guess you can call me biased.
 
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Musky_Cheese

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Yeah sorry I am not buying the GAF is this thread.

The reality is the vast majority doesn't post in Politics. And many of the ones that do don't post threads, only replies.

And topics like being pro guns, pro free speech, or anti illegal immigration are not Right of center.

Just because people who are here or were here have moved incredibly Far Left, it doesn't change where Center is.
 

GrizzleBoy

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This lean goes back to the purge, doesn’t it? A lot of the people who blindly follow leftists narratives left, inclusing the moderators who saw themselves as arbiters of social justice
Not really. (kinda, yes, and also not really, kinda, no, yeah)

It's just that Evilore basically banned all political and social discussion, so they built somewhere else to have political and social discussion.

He also decided to delete everything in OT communities which ranged from formula 1 threads, to depression management, to running threads, cooking, barbecues etc that amounted to shiiiitloads of man hours people put into making stuff on this site being trashed because of something that had nothing to do with them.

If that didn't happen and the quiet majority weren't scapegoated on behalf of the louder minority, people like me who had absolutely nothing to say about the infamous shower incident would likely never have even made a resetera account.

I posted that I wad so happy GAF came back when it died for a week during that time, but after innocent and random people started being scapegoated I decided GAF could fuck itself and that Id go where I wasn't being restricted.

Turns out someone realised the extent of their actions once the numbers started to look fucked up for them and returned the place to its former self but it was obviously too late by then. People also probably realised once they'd already settled elsewhere that communities make the forum and not the other way around and didn't really see a need to migrate back over again.

There was a lot of interesting PR afterwards, but the majority of members who didn't give a damn about the politics and such or people like myself who had nothing one way or the other to say about bisexual shower enxounters would still be here if they didn't have their ability to post about what they care about taken away.
 
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DeepEnigma

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We can all do better. Yes politics are a bit more abrasive and I think the mods allow more leeway here than gaming or off-topic due to the nature of it. "Requires thicker skin", etc..

I can assure you that when I make my low cuff comments, they do not come from a place of anger, but rather, sarcasm and snark even if more on the abrasive side. I need to do better on the language I choose to use.
 

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this is why we need the shredded bicep emoticon, it will bring peace among worlds
 
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We can all do better. Yes politics are a bit more abrasive and I think the mods allow more leeway here than gaming or off-topic due to the nature of it. "Requires thicker skin", etc..

I can assure you that when I make my low cuff comments, they do not come from a place of anger, but rather, sarcasm and snark even if more on the abrasive side. I need to do better on the language I choose to use.
Fair enough. And I know that I need to be a little less high and mighty. I know it rubs people the wrong way and I don't mean it to come from a place of condescension. Its just that when it comes to certain topics or posts I end up talking about it from above because I feel the topic or view is so below what I consider to be acceptable. I don't do it on purpose, but I know it can come off as dickish and condescending in certain circumstances.
 

Musky_Cheese

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We can all do better. Yes politics are a bit more abrasive and I think the mods allow more leeway here than gaming or off-topic due to the nature of it. "Requires thicker skin", etc..

I can assure you that when I make my low cuff comments, they do not come from a place of anger, but rather, sarcasm and snark even if more on the abrasive side. I need to do better on the language I choose to use.
You’ve inspired me.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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Is this substantial lean a problem?
65% lean is not a problem, given the binary nature of allowable political discussion. if you want a majority left leaning, visit ResetEra, it is far more unbalanced.

also OP is just labelling entire threads into one category or other whether which is fairly un-nuanced. for example he puts in "lean right" a Joe Biden thread about his proposal for climate change, which is sourced from a CNBC story describing the dem candidate's proposal. how this is a right leaning thing is beyond me.
 
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EviLore

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Not really. (kinda, yes, and also not really, kinda, no, yeah)

It's just that Evilore basically banned all political and social discussion, so they built somewhere else to have political and social discussion.

He also decided to delete everything in OT communities which ranged from formula 1 threads, to depression management, to running threads, cooking, barbecues etc that amounted to shiiiitloads of man hours people put into making stuff on this site being trashed because of something that had nothing to do with them.

If that didn't happen and the quiet majority weren't scapegoated on behalf of the louder minority, people like me who had absolutely nothing to say about the infamous shower incident would likely never have even made a resetera account.

I posted that I wad so happy GAF came back when it died for a week during that time, but after innocent and random people started being scapegoated I decided GAF could fuck itself and that Id go where I wasn't being restricted.

Turns out someone realised the extent of their actions once the numbers started to look fucked up for them and returned the place to its former self but it was obviously too late by then. People also probably realised once they'd already settled elsewhere that communities make the forum and not the other way around and didn't really see a need to migrate back over again.

There was a lot of interesting PR afterwards, but the majority of members who didn't give a damn about the politics and such or people like myself who had nothing one way or the other to say about bisexual shower enxounters would still be here if they didn't have their ability to post about what they care about taken away.
Nice fan fiction.
 

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The left has basically exited the building, they are not participating in the discussions willingly. At least the vocal left. They are so focused in putting emotions as the ultimate judgement on any topic nowadays that is borderline psychotic and useless for debate. That's why they look for echo-chambers and safe spaces and stay there. I'm not saying all leftists are like that, there are many intelligent and capable people out there that can debate and use rational stances but these are dominated by the vocal left which has no interest in rational discussions anymore. Which is a shame because the left were historically the champions of rational arguments against the over emotional and dogmatic right. Also, I'm not saying the right is specially rational either, a lot of their rhetoric is also based on emotion and dogmatic or ideological thought but they have lately championed rationality more than the left which is pretty weird at least in the areas the left seem to be going batshit insane.

Ironically this appeal to emotion, instinct, irrational action and thought was in the basis of many fascist ideologies, including the nazis, also authoritarian thought. Because the only way to shield people from "evil or impure" emotions is using authoritative means to curtail human experience into a sort of orderly and predictable fashion which is what this phony left seems to want to achieve.

I will hope this version of the left dies quickly and the rational and sophisticated minds on the left claim their place because real engagement, debating and conversation is much needed.
 

nkarafo

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I critisize the left alot but i consider myself somewhere in the center. I do disagree with a lot of policies and opinions from both sides. But the left side is the most ridiculous these days.
 
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I will hope this version of the left dies quickly and the rational and sophisticated minds on the left claim their place because real engagement, debating and conversation is much needed.
The well has been poisoned. Even if cooler minds do prevail, socially, the DNC is filled with such obvious and extreme corruption that I don't think I can ever trust them again.

I think what we are seeing is that neither the left nor the right are philosophically wrong, but that the slippery slope is real, and when these ideas go unchallenged for too long, concept creep turns even the most innocent and well meaning intention into something sinister. Something like affirmative action ends up becoming a social blight on the land as the idea that every minority needs a leg up in every situation, and even turning into the idea that the majority (white people) need to be actively suppressed. Affirmative action wasn't wrong, but it became something dangerous to criticize, and as a result, the premise grew out of control.

Political ideology requires constant attention and pruning. If left to grow uncared for, it turns into a weed, spreading everywhere and choking the life out everything in its path. Ultimately, neither the left nor the right are correct, and it is in the conflict between the two that actual purpose and value is found. Unfortunately, I think the left has become a weed, and pruning it back to something worthwhile will more likely kill it. One thing's for sure. In order to get the left side back, basically the entirety of the Democratic party needs to be removed (if not outright jailed) - and I say this as a liberal, because I am a liberal.
 
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Reagan also said, "If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism". Reagan was a liberal during his Hollywood days, but largely changed ships due to the McCarthy era blacklists, which destroyed many of his friends in the industry. Still, I can't think of any president who less embodied a liberal belief system than Ronald Reagan.
 
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pramod

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There will never and can never be a forum where you see a perfect balance of right and left.

Because if you hadn't already noticed, the current left in America prefers echo chambers and safe spaces. They don't want to engage those evil righties in discussion because they feel it only legitimizes them. The best example of this leftist safe space is of course Resetera. The posters there admit it as such and are not embarrassed about it. Notice when they post their anti-Trump feelings there they use the pronoun "we", because they know they are in a hive mind. No one talks like that over here.

Contrast that to Neogaf which is about as good as it's going to get when you want free political discourse. You encourage people to express their opinions without fear of bans as long as they stay civil. Its just that the left don't want to participate and you can't force them to.
 
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merlinevo

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So the premise for this thread is basically if you don't agree with to open borders, socialism, militant lgbt and feminism, perpetuate victimhood mentality, high taxes, and other common sense issues that rational people can disagree with, you are consider ring wing or alt right?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it's not that people here are alt right but you are too extreme left? The moderate left never supported open borders, socialism, militant lgbt feminism, etc. Stop projecting your insecurities onto the whole community, your worldview does not represent moderate or 50 percent of the left as you claim OP.
 

JORMBO

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Most of the threads in Politics are only made by a small amount of people. If those few people are more right leaning then it will appear the forum is more right leaning by glancing through topics. Anyone is free to state their opinions in those threads or to create their own threads to talk about things. I don't think this is an issue because anyone is free to post without being banned.

Most people also never stop by Poltics. The board as a whole is probably still more left leaning as seen in the political compass thread. Democats also lost most of their power a few years ago, but gained some of it back last year. It will be interesting to see if the threads start to shift when one day Democrats are back in power. Trump is a pretty loud guy who tends to create a lot of right leaning news himself.
 
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Most of the threads in Politics are only made by a small amount of people.
This is true. I post in politics a lot, but I rarely make threads.

When I do, it is usually based around my core issues of free speech and media manipulation - these aren't strictly left or right wing beliefs, but these days, it is usually the most ergregious offenses come from the left. If you were to classify these posts based on the criteria in the OP, they would appear under the "Lean Right/Anti-Left" category. This is what we call "missing the forest for the trees".

Again, my issues are free speech and media manipulation. If this is a right wing position, it is only because the left FUCKED UP HARD.
 
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DunDunDunpachi

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Does Sony get undue attention on GAF? Does Nintendo get too much praise?

Why doesn't GAF pay more attention to Microsoft? Why does GAF criticize Microsoft but they don't seem to do it as much to the other console brands? Are Nintendo fans who buy Nintendo products voting against their own best interests? Is this substantial lean a problem?

Why do console-warriors transform into political activists yet import the same pathetic logic in their new hobby?

So many questions. Help! I need GAF to help me untangle this web of rhetorical inferences that I have carefully woven in place of an actual argument.
 
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You know, OP, we already have a thread where users post their political compasses and 8values results.
 

Arkage

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Criticizing the left isn't the same as being right wing. Think of it as a spectrum, rather than binary.

Frankly, it's amazing you spent so much effort to produce something so worthless, when the obvious answer would've saved you a bunch of time and trouble.
American politics is binary in the end, and this thread is in context of that. Also, I spend time doing things I'm interested in regardless if Sqorin Hammerfarf approves.

I'm not sure about your classifications. I'm not spending much time in the politics section, because quite frankly I have better things to do with my life, but the Muslim protesting thread just had an update and doesn't strike me as particularly supporting the "right narrative". It's about freedom of speech being used by those who want to limit it with little effect. As I wrote in that thread, they could have kept waving their funny signs around as long as everyone can keep ignoring them. They have now been told off by high court after staff and children's safety was being threatened, which is a line not to cross. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence. I don't see how this feeds into the "right narrative", unless the "right narrative" is that Muslims are not allowed to protest once they start threatening people? Would be news to me, but I'm not on the right so have limited insight into the presumed right hive mind and their narrative (because as we all know there are no individuals on this planet, only "left" versus "right" :p).

Antifa is representative of the "extreme left" of the spectrum, so much that they comes across as outright faschist (the irony of which still seems lost to the typical Antifa member). I don't think they are supported by the majority of left-leaning people (admitteldy I have no data on that and frankly don't care enough about Antifa to look it up). I sure as hell don't support them. Antifa today are just a weird fringe group and not a secret army to spread socialism to the world. It's a bit difficult to convince folks of the benefits of free healthcare for all by throwing bricks through shop windows. So someone leaving Antifa and talking about the benefits of free speech is not exactly "right wing" in my view, unless you believe the nonsensical right wing narrative that anyone on "the left" would be opposed to free speech out of dogma. To which I say: lol.
I included the Muslim thread as learn right/anti left due to the meme quoted in the OP, which implies the left is confused over who to support, which set up the discussion for general criticism of leftist positions on Islamic immigration and LGBT lessons in schools. Antifa is still left leaning, so I'd deem criticism of it as anti-left, just as I would frame an anti-KKK article anti-right. Granted these are broad categories, but my point was to paint a broad picture.

I've posted stuff in that thread that took the piss out of the right & both the left & right. Recently there was something posted in there about Fox News thinking the metric system is evil.

Yes, it's mainly making fun of SJWs and their ilk, but it's not all lefty bashing. It's more modern idiot bashing.
This is why my term is "lean left." If it would've been relatively even in making fun, then it would've been in the "Both" category.


Does Sony get undue attention on GAF? Does Nintendo get too much praise?

Why doesn't GAF pay more attention to Microsoft? Why does GAF criticize Microsoft but they don't seem to do it as much to the other console brands? Are Nintendo fans who buy Nintendo products voting against their own best interests? Is this substantial lean a problem?

Why do console-warriors transform into political activists yet import the same pathetic logic in their new hobby?

So many questions. Help! I need GAF to help me untangle this web of rhetorical inferences that I have carefully woven in place of an actual argument.
To be clear, the "problem" that may exist is in reference to 1) the problems with political filter bubbles and 2) a site's content becoming so lopsided that it appears to be devoted almost entirely to a single general political lean. I think it's fair to say that left leaning individuals get as much camaraderie and good natured debate from the userbase here as a right leaning individual would get on Reeee. Which is to say, it is nearly nonexistent. Granted the mod situation is dramatically different, so it's unclear what could be done from an admin level to mitigate further filtering and perceptions of the site being deeply aligned with a political lean.
 
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Turnt

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Nice fan fiction.
I thought you did delete OT and the community threads, then brought them back initially on the condition that people didn't talk about politics. I get that you were figuring out stuff on the fly and so I understand taking rash actions at the time becuse the site was turning into a shit show with people attacking it. But that stuff did happen.
 

EviLore

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I thought you did delete OT and the community threads, then brought them back initially on the condition that people didn't talk about politics. I get that you were figuring out stuff on the fly and so I understand taking rash actions at the time becuse the site was turning into a shit show with people attacking it. But that stuff did happen.
Off-Topic was archived for a brief time, yeah, after it imploded in riots and spam, since we didn't have the manpower to moderate it and people were going apeshit and mass necrobumping, etc. The communities had already organized via Discord and departed at that point. A new Off-Topic was put in place with a restriction on politics and heated social issues, then we manually moved threads from the archive to the new Off-Topic on request via a sticky thread, then we restored the full archive once things calmed down.

We were having to take hundreds of mod actions per day with a skeleton crew.

The communities didn't leave in response to Off-Topic being archived. You can look at all the timestamps on the dead communities yourself. They were all asking for Discord invites in their threads and bounced ahead of the change.
 
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Off-Topic was archived for a brief time, yeah, after it imploded in riots and spam, since we didn't have the manpower to moderate it and people were going apeshit and mass necrobumping, etc. The communities had already organized via Discord and departed at that point. A new Off-Topic was put in place with a restriction on politics and heated social issues, then we manually moved threads from the archive to the new Off-Topic on request via a sticky thread, then we restored the full archive once things calmed down.

We were having to take hundreds of mod actions per day with a skeleton crew.

The communities didn't leave in response to Off-Topic being archived. You can look at all the timestamps on the dead communities yourself. They were all asking for Discord invites in their threads and bounced ahead of the change.
That's fair. I can't imagine how much of a nightmare that time must have been for you. Appreciate the work you have done on the site since then.
 

Nymphae

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I'm fine with a right leaning site. If that's how it works out, so be it, I'm not interested in any forced equal representation of viewpoints. People can come here and talk to the right leaning community about basically whatever they want, I don't see any problem with that whatsoever. You can call it an echochamber if you want, I call it a community of likeminded individuals. Sure you could label Resetera that as well, but the differences between their community and ours should be pretty apparent.
 
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I think it's fair to say that left leaning individuals get as much camaraderie and good natured debate from the userbase here as a right leaning individual would get on Reeee. Which is to say, it is nearly nonexistent.
No, it is not fair to claim that, and the Left-leaning individuals on GAF have been telling you this for months. You refuse to see it, and the persistence of your refusal becomes more obvious as time goes on.

In order for your fragile view of reality to survive, GAF simply must have a bias. You cannot comprehend a world where your own paradigm isn't given primacy.

It surely must be GAF that is imbalanced.

Meanwhile, you are author of some of the most radical and uncharitable threads on the Political board:


Granted the mod situation is dramatically different, so it's unclear what could be done from an admin level to mitigate further filtering and perceptions of the site being deeply aligned with a political lean.
Maybe you should come up with a non-solution for this non-problem. I'm eager to hear the non-details of how this would be balanced according to your own guidelines.
 
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American politics is binary in the end, and this thread is in context of that. Also, I spend time doing things I'm interested in regardless if Sqorin Hammerfarf approves.
It’s not about my approval. Even if you enjoy it, don’t pretend like you are the only right person here when you are objectively wrong.
 

Whitesnake

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I think it's fair to say that left leaning individuals get as much camaraderie and good natured debate from the userbase here as a right leaning individual would get on Reeee. Which is to say, it is nearly nonexistent.
This false equivalency of yours is fucking dumb.

REE people think anyone who thinks differently than them is scum that should be silenced from all platforms and public spaces forever. Their moderation policy is merely a reflection of that view.

I don't think any less of the avtive lefties on this site, even if some are self-righteous or needlessly contrarian.

I certainly wouldn't want them banned or deplatformed. And I doubt I'm alone in that opinion.
 

ArchaeEnkidu

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Criticizing the left isn't the same as being right wing. Think of it as a spectrum, rather than binary.

Frankly, it's amazing you spent so much effort to produce something so worthless, when the obvious answer would've saved you a bunch of time and trouble.
This.

I am a staunch democrat/left-leaning person. I criticize the left often due to the insanity that is currently prevailing, however that does not mean that I am siding with the right. A perfect example is my "Themed months" thread. I criticize the use of it as did a number of left-leaning folk that I work with.

This is Truth. I remeber after the split there was a time when things seemed more civil and Dogpilling never happened..Thats changed.

Users like @Solomeena just attack and attack .. They dont bother asking questions or are intrested in actual conversation. Just a shouting match.
If you make idiotic claims/comments, people will call you out on it. If you continue to do so, you will be remembered as the kind of person who cannot have an honest discussion and will be treated with snark and dismissal. This is what you are seeing as this is what you have wrought with your actions.

American politics is binary in the end, and this thread is in context of that. Also, I spend time doing things I'm interested in regardless if Sqorin Hammerfarf approves.
No. It isn't. It never has been. It has always been ever moving shades of gray. The only way you can say it is "binary" is if you take a very, very, very, very, very generalized look at what is ongoing and ignore all nuance.

I included the Muslim thread as learn right/anti left due to the meme quoted in the OP, which implies the left is confused over who to support, which set up the discussion for general criticism of leftist positions on Islamic immigration and LGBT lessons in schools. Antifa is still left leaning, so I'd deem criticism of it as anti-left, just as I would frame an anti-KKK article anti-right. Granted these are broad categories, but my point was to paint a broad picture.
ANTIFA is not "left-leaning", it is Far-Left. Just as the KKK is Far-Right, not right-leaning. It is clear that you tried to make this as generalized as possible to prove your non-existent point that there is a "right-wing" bias on GAF. You have been trying to push this sad narrative for a long while now and honestly it is getting incredibly tiring to constantly prove you wrong, only for you to handwave it away.


To be clear, the "problem" that may exist is in reference to 1) the problems with political filter bubbles and 2) a site's content becoming so lopsided that it appears to be devoted almost entirely to a single general political lean. I think it's fair to say that left leaning individuals get as much camaraderie and good natured debate from the userbase here as a right leaning individual would get on Reeee. Which is to say, it is nearly nonexistent. Granted the mod situation is dramatically different, so it's unclear what could be done from an admin level to mitigate further filtering and perceptions of the site being deeply aligned with a political lean.
You are so full of bullshit that you could fertilize the Midwest twice over and still have more coming out. Just because you are far-left, doesn't mean that the VAST majority of left-leaning folks are suddenly right-leaning. We have been calling you out on your shit for months.