Claus Grimhildyr
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Nope, still dumb.
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New ambilight- like HDMI 2.1 sync-box (and lights) : Lytmi fantasy 3
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THE DUCK
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Seriously? You go to a movie theater and watch with lights on as well?
You do realize the perceived contrast goes up and black levels improve even on the best tv's, right?
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CamHostage
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Oh, sorry, I edited some stuff out because I was getting long-winded, but I meant specifically a very low-resolution version of short-throw only for ambient projection purposes. Like sub-HD image quality (ideally from a dedicated feed, so a second stream of lighting data parallel to the normal 4K stream), just for room effects. This would be a projector meant specifically to do like the snowflake effects or gunshot hits of Illumiroom, maybe the wireframe area-extension effect to some degree, as well as general chroma/luma effects on the wall. (A projector would not be as bright as LED strips, but it would be more specific, and could be paired to work in tandem with direct lighting too.)
I was just thinking short-throw conceptually because Illumiroom has the problem of needing expensive/complicated equipment to mount on the ceiling (which not everybody can do) and also must carve out from the projection image a black space for the screen (which is hard for a projector to not create glare.) Short-throw has problems of its own (and couldn't do all the Illumiroom effects,) but it avoids some of the issues that ultimately stopped MS or Razer from continuing the concept. In my own setup, I could stick something behind the screen and allow it to project all across the wall. For people with a TV mounted or near the wall, it wouldn't work the same, but that's still an easier box to try to find a place for than a full-scale rear-mounted projector, if it could ever work.
(BTW, when I say short-throw, I really mean the versions of ultra-short-throw that project an image vertical off a mirror from a set-top box. These types of projectors existed when MS was playing with Illumiroom, but they've really boomed since then with laser projectors and other advancements. Of course, UST and laser projection means an even more expensive device than the thing I flippantly mentioned could be cool, but and ambience could be a use case leading to affordable products in that device category. Philips has the PicoPix/GoPix portable projectors in the $100-150 range, which is sort of the res/lumen rating I was thinking as a consumer product, if they could make a vertical one and have it be worth owning. Ain't going to happen, most likely, but that's the tech I was thinking of.)
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Boaty McBoatface
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I bought a Lifx LED strip and used a free tool that syncs it with your desktop:
github.com
Then bought a cheap hdmi usb capture device for the AV receivers' second output, works perfectly to when I use the consoles and devices.
It's honestly the most amazing thing I've added to the setup, way more impressive than the surround sound imo
Releases · gitCommitWiL/MaxLifx-Z
Lifx ambient lighting for Windows. Contribute to gitCommitWiL/MaxLifx-Z development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
Then bought a cheap hdmi usb capture device for the AV receivers' second output, works perfectly to when I use the consoles and devices.
It's honestly the most amazing thing I've added to the setup, way more impressive than the surround sound imo
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Giallo Corsa
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Well, here it is (almost) :
Philips Hue sync-box HDMI 2.1
...not that it matters since it'll cost an arm and a leg
See, this is what i don't get, Philips could make a killing by selling these at a lower price point, i mean, just take a look at Govee, their whole business is based around ambient lighting, can't they see that ? Are they that tone-deaf ?
Selling Ambilight kits (Hue sync-box, bridge etc) to their niche clientele at those exorbitant prices must not be doing them any favours, why not trying to eliminate the competition by offering their products at normal prices ? This shit is way, way, waaay overpriced as it is...
Philips Hue sync-box HDMI 2.1
...not that it matters since it'll cost an arm and a leg
See, this is what i don't get, Philips could make a killing by selling these at a lower price point, i mean, just take a look at Govee, their whole business is based around ambient lighting, can't they see that ? Are they that tone-deaf ?
Selling Ambilight kits (Hue sync-box, bridge etc) to their niche clientele at those exorbitant prices must not be doing them any favours, why not trying to eliminate the competition by offering their products at normal prices ? This shit is way, way, waaay overpriced as it is...
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K2D
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I had ambilight on my TV for a couple of years, and I miss it now.
Have a 3.party light pack I payed around $50 for I might install.
Said before I would rather have another 10 inches than the back light, but these days, I would definetly go for back light. So much better/easier on the eyes.
Have a 3.party light pack I payed around $50 for I might install.
Said before I would rather have another 10 inches than the back light, but these days, I would definetly go for back light. So much better/easier on the eyes.
Claus Grimhildyr
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You know what also helps with that? OLED.
Laieon
Member
Which still looks better in the dark.
Claus Grimhildyr
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Nope. Looks worse and causes increased eye strain, even with fancy little gimmicks like these "Ambilights".
Laieon
Member
It's not a gimmick though; reducing contrast between the screen and the background (the wall, etc...) works.
New Study Tests The Effects Of Watching TV In A Dark Room
Scientific literature has long supported the notion that reducing contrasts in perceived brightness between a visual display and its background will result in reduced visual fatigue and eyestrain. LRC researchers recently tested this hypothesis in the context of watching television.
www.sciencedaily.com
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Claus Grimhildyr
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Did you read this? It helps reduce eyestrain, but it still causes more eyestrain than in a well lit room during the day. Its literally proving my point correct.
Laieon
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Yes, but I was never arguing about eyestrain anyway. I agree that watching or reading something in a dark room causes eye strain, obviously, but I don't agree that watching something in a light room looks better than in a dark room and because of that, I understand the benefits of these kinds of lights; it's not going to be healthy for my eyes as watching something in a dark room, but it's going to be healthier than not having any contrast at all.
Watching something, even on an OLED, in a lightroom is not going to be as good as watching something in a dark room, but if you're choosing to do so for the betterment of your health than that's understandable.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
That’s pretty neat tech
THE DUCK
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Wrong. I bet you don't have this and never have, so you speak out of ignorance.
And I have it on an oled.
That said, depending on the content, I will watch sometimes with lights on, half on, 20%, or none. For instance basketball, lights on for the most part, but watching a dark show like the madelorian definately better lights out with the led behind which helps with eyestrain and enhances immersion.
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Claus Grimhildyr
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I had Hue lighting before I sold it. No one has this product though as it hasn't been released yet (or only just released). So please, spare me your sanctimonious "ignorant" babble.
Sleepwalker
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Looks really cool actually, but not $200 cool for me.
dorkimoe
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I had it but sold it cuz i wanted the Dolby Atmos/120hz passthru. Went with Govee until Hue makes a new box
dorkimoe
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Oh very cool. Ill be waiting for this most likely then. Question though. Where would I put this in my setup? I have all my devices going into receiver, then receiver into tv (earc) .
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RagnarokIV
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Cancel him on twitter. That's Hogwarts legacy on screen and he's clearly a male. (parody post, please delete if inappropriate)
This is funny. Viewing at night is 100% a better picture. This is not subjective, so its not worth arguing. It does increase eye strain, because the perceived brightness, and contrast, are both higher(hence...why videophiles watch oleds in the dark..).
I have a medialight mk2 which has a d65 white point and significantly reduces(removes) eye strain. I can see why people like the ambilight, and I could likely get it working with my pc software. Aquasuite can match what's on my screen to the lights in my pc, so I'm sure I could extend it to the wall. But until there is a simple solution that will pass 444 and vrr, I will just keep my d65
Also, I wish hdmi forum would stop letting people call things hdmi 2.1. If it doesn't pass VRR, then there is absolutely no point.
Gaelyon
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I have an Ambilight Philips Oled TV since '19 and it's fantastic due to the dynamic lighting that expand the screen colors on your back wall in real time. I can't consider not using Ambilight now.
And yes, watching in darkness does increase eyestrain but the image quality is so much better. I usually play with either no light or a dim one for long session.
And yes, watching in darkness does increase eyestrain but the image quality is so much better. I usually play with either no light or a dim one for long session.
vodka-bull
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So it‘s without VRR support and ALLM doesn‘t work properly too. Guess I‘ll pass.
Right. Allm is huge. This way I can have hdr10 set to my calibrated cinema mode for everything plugged into my processor, but then when my pc turns on it switches to hdr10-game. To do this manually every time would be the most annoying thing. Idk if anyone has tried gaming on cinema mode, but its like..you move the stick and the character moves a couple seconds later
vodka-bull
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You could however buy a 2.1 splitter, one goes in the lytmi box, one goes directly to the TV, but that seems like a horrible solution with all the cable management, multiple consoles in use and waste of money for a feature that‘s supposed to be there if the box were just a little bit better. I‘d rather just wait a year or two before buying in the ambilight aftermarket solutions.
Giallo Corsa
Member
Buying a Philips TV friend - and I'm not trying to be sarcastic either, it's the only "plug and play" solution that...just works with zero hassle.
StueyDuck
Member
It's rather unfortunate but here's to hoping it's tech that gets more regularly adopted.
All these brands were quick to jump on 3D back in the day and that was hot shit.
I see it happening eventually though