New Canadian Party Getting Neo-Nazi Support

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Since it's apparently cool to be a Nazi these days..

What the country’s tiny cadre of neo-Nazis and the broader alt-right movement needed was a politician who could bridge the gap between the mainstream and the far-right fringe — someone who was an unabashed supporter of “Western values,” who would clamp down on immigration and multiculturalism.
That person, they decided, was Maxime Bernier.
But in just four months, the PPC signed up more than 33,000 members and has become a thorn in the side of Scheer and the Conservative Party, which has been forced to protect its right flank on issues like immigration and identity. More importantly, the PPC now has electoral district associations in every one of the country’s 338 federal ridings. Considering the party was little more than an angry Twitter feed last fall, the speed of PPC’s rise is notable.
https://www.thestar.com/amp/politics/federal/2019/02/08/maxime-berniers-alt-right-problem.html
 
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If Maxine has a riding in my area in this years election I will be voting for him. Doesnt matter what kind of people like him. I believe in his vision of the country (compared to fucking trudeau)

Plus I could saw the same thing about Antifa and the democratic party in the USA. OMG Antifia a terrorist organization loves the democratic party. The democrats must be evil!. Same exact logic my dude ;)
 
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If Maxine has a riding in my area in this years election I will be voting for him. Doesnt matter what kind of people like him. I believe in his vision of the country (compared to fucking trudeau)

Plus I could saw the same thing about Antifa and the democratic party in the USA. OMG Antifia a terrorist organization loves the democratic party. The democrats must be evil!. Same exact logic my dude ;)
Er, there's one big distinction between Antifa and neo-Nazis.

Antifa's goal is to... fight fascism. It's literally in the name. Its methods may be needlessly violent, but if it got its way, we'd have a functioning democracy where people of different ethnicities are free to participate in society.

However, when you attract neo-Nazis, that means your policies are attractive to neo-Nazis. Do you not grasp the basic problem here? No political party's values should be appealing to white supremacists. We didn't fight WWII to let Nazis get a foothold in North America.

Thankfully, the PPC and supporters like you will ultimately be irrelevant.
 
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Er, there's one big distinction between Antifa and neo-Nazis.

Antifa's goal is to... fight fascism. It's literally in the name. Its methods may be needlessly violent, but if it got its way, we'd have a functioning democracy where people of different ethnicities are free to participate in society.

However, when you attract neo-Nazis, that means your policies are attractive to neo-Nazis. Do you not grasp the basic problem here? No political party's values should be appealing to white supremacists. We didn't fight WWII to let Nazis get a foothold in North America.

Thankfully, the PPC and supporters like you will ultimately be irrelevant.
Lol wanting stronger immigration control = me being a neo nazi. Ok I am not gonna even try and talk to youn good bye
 
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Bernier declined through a spokesperson to speak to the Star for this story, but has said he wants nothing to do with white nationalists. “Racists are not welcome in this party,” he told Montreal radio station CJAD in December.
Good. Stand up to bigotry and white nationalism. It's been pretty funny reading alt-right forums and how they've reacted to Trump over time. They used to think they had their man. They projected themselves onto Make America Great Again. Now they hate him and believe he's pretty much an establishment Republican at this point. That SOTU speech with talk of the Holocaust and legal immigration? They fucking lost it. Let these idiots come out into the open so they can be treated like the fools they are. Laugh at them, point them out as the intellectual midgets that they are. I look forward to the Canadian alt-right scene getting the same treatment.
 
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No, but when your policies attract neo-Nazis, there's something wrong.
Nazis would be considered far right yes? So he is attracting far right people. So what? The democrats are attracting very far left people who commit way more violence than any neo nazi today. Get your head out of 1940 dude.
 
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Ehhh I think this is getting close to the "Hitler drinks water, water is a problem" argument. It is absolutely possible for undesirable people to share the same thoughts with others, no matter where they are on the spectrum.
Exactly. We all drink water so we are ALL HITLER! OMG!
 
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I'm trying to coin the phrase "The weaponization of the fringes." It might need a longer, dedicated thread of its own. The idea is that you try to attack someone you don't like by finding fringe boogeymen that you can claim either support them or have some similarity (real or not; substantive or not). Basically, it's the tactic that could be named after the SPLC. It's just another logical fallacy, seizing on some side thing rather than debating the substance of an issue.

If you make a big deal about a handful of Neo-Nazis supporting someone, do you make an equally big deal about Communists who support someone on the other side? They killed far more people.
 
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So a tiny cadre of people support a party. The party says fuck off we don't want your support. Doesn't stop people from trying to frame entire party as neo nazi. The exact same playbook is being used against Tulsi Gabbard. David Duke endorsed her, she said fuck off, people still using the same smear that her policies attract neo nazis.

If I bother voting at all I will only vote PPC after watching Maxime on Dave Rubin. I doubt they will go anywhere because the media here is more or less just left wing mouthpieces.
 
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So a tiny cadre of people support a party. The party says fuck off we don't want your support. Doesn't stop people from trying to frame entire party as neo nazi. The exact same playbook is being used against Tulsi Gabbard. David Duke endorsed her, she said fuck off, people still using the same smear that her policies attract neo nazis.

If I bother voting at all I will only vote PPC after watching Maxime on Dave Rubin. I doubt they will go anywhere because the media here is more or less just left wing mouthpieces.
I think there may be a big populist movement in Canada because of how bad Trudeau is doing. I dont think Maxime will win but there could be a scenario where the PPC and Tories hold a coalition government.
 
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I think there may be a big populist movement in Canada because of how bad Trudeau is doing. I dont think Maxime will win but there could be a scenario where the PPC and Tories hold a coalition government.
I hope for a win, a coalition with the conservatives or a liberal minority government at worst but I am not optimistic. The media will not even cover PPC unless it is to smear or insinuate malice, I am calling it right now. While I don't support all her views the Faith Goldy mayoral candidacy was a preview of the same playbook that will be used. Articles like this are just setting up the foundation to smear the party as racist. Then they can use it as an excuse to not follow the laws to allow equal representation of political views in advertising, debate etc.
 
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Er, there's one big distinction between Antifa and neo-Nazis. Antifa's goal is to... fight fascism.
You have a very misguided understanding of the political spectrum. Communism and fascism are just two sides of the same coin, the former is a form of far-left extremism, the latter is a form of far-right extremism. While ANTIFA is very much opposed to far-right extremism, they are very much in favor of far-left communist ideology. The difference between national fascism and social fascism lies purely in its ideological rooting, but the authoritarian approach is still the same. The dictatorship of the proletariat is not any better than authoritarian ultranationalism.

ANTIFA have existed for a long time in western Europe, since the post WWII era. They are just as ideologically militant as their extreme-right counterpart. They are violent militant goons and nobody over here really likes them.

It's literally in the name.
Oh alright then. I guess all the far-right parties need to do then, is to simply change their names to something innocuous. I suggest all Neo-Nazis to simply call themselves the "We're totally the good guys, we swear" party. Problem solved.
 
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Er, there's one big distinction between Antifa and neo-Nazis.

Antifa's goal is to... fight fascism. It's literally in the name. Its methods may be needlessly violent, but if it got its way, we'd have a functioning democracy where people of different ethnicities are free to participate in society.

However, when you attract neo-Nazis, that means your policies are attractive to neo-Nazis. Do you not grasp the basic problem here? No political party's values should be appealing to white supremacists. We didn't fight WWII to let Nazis get a foothold in North America.

Thankfully, the PPC and supporters like you will ultimately be irrelevant.
Democrats are communists confirmed.
 
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Democrats are just rats. It is right in the name.
Republicans are just cans.....cans of like super gross fermented grapefruit juice, or something

It’s right in the name, I guess?



Or they are just pubs. Like dirty old hole in the wall pubs with bitter beer and 40 year old peanuts on the counter, and microwaved nachos
 
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You have a very misguided understanding of the political spectrum. Communism and fascism are just two sides of the same coin, the former is a form of far-left extremists, the latter is a form of far-right extremism. While ANTIFA is very much opposed to far-right extremism, they are very much in favor of far-left communist ideology. The difference between national fascism and social fascism lies purely in its ideological rooting, but the authoritarian approach is still the same. The dictatorship of the proletariat is not any better than authoritarian ultranationalism.

ANTIFA have existed for a long time in western Europe, since the post WWII era. They are just as ideologically militant as their extreme-right counterpart. They are violent militant goons and nobody over here really likes them.



Oh alright then. I guess all the far-right parties need to do then, is to simply change their names to something innocuous. I suggest all Neo-Nazis to simply call themselves the "We're totally the good guys, we swear" party. Problem solved.
It's not actually that clear cut. In North America, at least, Antifa tends to encompass left-wing views, but those views can vary from far-left (as you said) to people who are 'just' solidly left but maintain that violence is sometimes necessary. I don't condone violence on their part, if you're wondering.

And I find it funny that people are trying to harp on the "but but Antifa" part while dodging the whole "neo-Nazis love the PPC" part. Any party that has enthusiastic endorsement of neo-Nazis is a bad one.
 
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It's not actually that clear cut. In North America, at least, Antifa tends to encompass left-wing views, but those views can vary from far-left (as you said) to people who are 'just' solidly left but maintain that violence is sometimes necessary. I don't condone violence on their part, if you're wondering.

And I find it funny that people are trying to harp on the "but but Antifa" part while dodging the whole "neo-Nazis love the PPC" part. Any party that has enthusiastic endorsement of neo-Nazis is a bad one.
Any party that has an enthusiastic endorsement from socialists/communists is a bad one.
 
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Any party that has an enthusiastic endorsement from socialists/communists is a bad one.
Egads, you're immature. That's "I know what you are, but what am I," just coming from a so-called adult. You can argue more intelligently than that.

And you do know that Canada is a social democracy, right? Even the Conservatives aren't so foolish as to dismantle that system.
 
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Egads, you're immature. That's "I know what you are, but what am I," just coming from a so-called adult. You can argue more intelligently than that.

And you do know that Canada is a social democracy, right? Even the Conservatives aren't so foolish as to dismantle that system.
The same logic applies dude. You cant have one without the other. I'm done talking to you.
 
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It's not actually that clear cut. In North America, at least, Antifa tends to encompass left-wing views, but those views can vary from far-left (as you said) to people who are 'just' solidly left but maintain that violence is sometimes necessary. I don't condone violence on their part, if you're wondering.

And I find it funny that people are trying to harp on the "but but Antifa" part while dodging the whole "neo-Nazis love the PPC" part. Any party that has enthusiastic endorsement of neo-Nazis is a bad one.
You deal in absolutes when you oppose something, then see nuance in something you agree with. You’re doing the exact same thing. But I’ve seen you post enough to know that you lack self awareness.
 
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No, but when your policies attract neo-Nazis, there's something wrong.
I won't praise any actions they would take but at the same time refusing to do something because somebody evil may do the same thing is pretty damned foolish.

How easy I would be to manipulate, tell me that *insert bad group here* likes a thing and I'd be guaranteed to oppose it! I am sure that Hitler drank water but I doubt avoiding it would make me a more moral person.
 
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Er, there's one big distinction between Antifa and neo-Nazis.

Antifa's goal is to... fight fascism.
Bullshit they are right now behaving closer to nazis then the people they label nazis so they can attack them, they are the foot soldiers of the establishment/bourgeois and this is how they get away with attacking people based on skin color while directing traffic in portland for example, they show up unannounced to announced demonstrations and they start violence while covering up their faces because they actually know themselves that they are bullshitters.
 
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You deal in absolutes when you oppose something, then see nuance in something you agree with. You’re doing the exact same thing. But I’ve seen you post enough to know that you lack self awareness.
Well, tell me, why is it okay to support a party that neo-Nazis see as a haven for their ideology, especially when there are uncomfortable connections between the two? Both are strongly anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.
 
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Well, tell me, why is it okay to support a party that neo-Nazis see as a haven for their ideology, especially when there are uncomfortable connections between the two? Both are strongly anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.
We are anti illegal immigration thank you very much.
 
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I won't praise any actions they would take but at the same time refusing to do something because somebody evil may do the same thing is pretty damned foolish.

How easy I would be to manipulate, tell me that *insert bad group here* likes a thing and I'd be guaranteed to oppose it! I am sure that Hitler drank water but I doubt avoiding it would make me a more moral person.
My issue isn't just that someone evil may do the same thing, it's that the ideology is uncomfortably close and that it has led to overt bigots infiltrating the party. When you're anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism... well, you can say "we don't tolerate racists" all you want, but that doesn't change that your policies court racists and encourage them to take up positions in your party.
 
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Well, tell me, why is it okay to support a party that neo-Nazis see as a haven for their ideology, especially when there are uncomfortable connections between the two? Both are strongly anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.
For me to have this discussion with you, you would have to have some level of self awareness, you’ve illustrated in this post and many others that you don’t. Your are deeply steeped in ideology, to the point that I doubt a panel of the greatest thinkers in the world would ever change your opinions. My hint or advice to you would be become a friend of being uncertain, and always question yourself and your beliefs.
 
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For me to have this discussion with you, you would have to have some level of self awareness, you’ve illustrated in this post and many others that you don’t. Your are deeply steeped in ideology, to the point that I doubt a panel of the greatest thinkers in the world would ever change your opinions. My hint or advice to you would be become a friend of being uncertain, and always question yourself and your beliefs.
In fairness, couldn’t the same be said about some posters on the other side?

I mean honestly, how often does anyone “change their mind” on here?

I know a number of people are reasonable and objective, and try to be fair to all perspectives, but that’s not universal
 
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Er, there's one big distinction between Antifa and neo-Nazis.

Antifa's goal is to... fight fascism. It's literally in the name. Its methods may be needlessly violent, but if it got its way, we'd have a functioning democracy where people of different ethnicities are free to participate in society.

However, when you attract neo-Nazis, that means your policies are attractive to neo-Nazis. Do you not grasp the basic problem here? No political party's values should be appealing to white supremacists. We didn't fight WWII to let Nazis get a foothold in North America.

Thankfully, the PPC and supporters like you will ultimately be irrelevant.
Didnt we had this discussion before?

Antifa is using fascist methods to silence and scare their enemies and people opinion they do not like. Just they say they are fighting fascism does not mean they are fascist because these Idiots have no idea what fascism even is. To them fascist are trump voters.

Also so what if you attract Neoo Nazis? Anti Immigration is not Nazi politics it is a very conservative nationalistic ideology but it has nothing to do with Nazis. Neo Nazis often wear Army like boots so should the company making these boots stop producing them because they are being attracted by Neo Nazis? Should we stop drinking milk because according to the New York Times is it s symbols Neo Nazis use?

You have no idea about politics or even common sense. You can not forbid everything that is liked by Nazis because I bet they also love your favorite Ice Cream. I bet they also would like free healthcare. But we can not have this because it could attract Neo Nazis.

People like you are the reason the word Nazis has become utterly meaningless today because of people like you everyone is a Nazi who is anti immigration. Everyone is Nazi who does believe that there are only two gender. Everyone is Nazi who does not like gay people etc. You seriously need to go and read some books what Nazis are actually are. And while you are at it. continue you words like fascism, Nationalistic, the differences between patriotism and nationalism and so on.
My issue isn't just that someone evil may do the same thing, it's that the ideology is uncomfortably close and that it has led to overt bigots infiltrating the party. When you're anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism... well, you can say "we don't tolerate racists" all you want, but that doesn't change that your policies court racists and encourage them to take up positions in your party.
No it is not even close to actual Nazi ideology. and to compare anti immigration politics with actual Nazis is fucking insulting to everyone who have died during the Holocaust. Hell my Grandfather died in a concentration camp and I feel fucking insulted by this statement.

edit: this goes even further. Hitler was a National Socialist. It was important to kill the individualism. Later on he restricted Capitalism to finance his wars, He went straight up Socialist in economical questions. So should we know despise everything socialist? You have really no idea what you are saying or how Hitler has risen to his Power. He did not just shout Fuck these Jews. He used socialist concept to get votes and more approval. The Hitler Jugend was basically the boys scouts should we now forbid boyscout? Or how about family values which was a huge point for Hitler as well.
 
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In fairness, couldn’t the same be said about some posters on the other side?

I mean honestly, how often does anyone “change their mind” on here?

I know a number of people are reasonable and objective, and try to be fair to all perspectives, but that’s not universal
Yeah sure, but I don’t see a lot at this guys level. I see a lot of people alter or completely change opinions, the catholic school kid thread was a good example of that. I don’t see a lot of people that handwave nazis but get upset about antifa, most rational people can see that both are objectively bad groups of people.
 
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Lol just to let you know I am center right. I bet you think I'm alt right. You lefties thinking anyone left of you are nazis. Good riddens
No one in the centre right would ever align with Neo-Nazis , and when brought under a microscope they would reject what they stand for. Keep on dreaming of you think your centre right lol
 
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No one in the centre right would ever align with Neo-Nazis , and when brought under a microscope they would reject what they stand for. Keep on dreaming of you think your center right lol
why do they need to align with them when they are already be called Neo Nazis and sympathizers because they are have anti immigration politics? The left already has put them in this corner no matter what they do they are now nazis.
 
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That's great for him but his party is still attractive to them , hence his problem .

Do you believe in what they stand for in any way , if so why?
I would like to know, what is the solution then if this is a problem? Do you abandon these values because undesirable people hold them as well? Is it feasible to abandon say gun control or abortion if those values are held by neo nazis for example?
 

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I would like to know, what is the solution then if this is a problem? Do you abandon these values because undesirable people hold them as well? Is it feasible to abandon say gun control or abortion if those values are held by neo nazis for example?
And there lies the problem how do you distance yourself from Nazis. Why put your self in that place in the first place unless that is what he was unintentionaly aiming for
 
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