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New Ryse: Son of Rome story trailer [new footage]
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Vire
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Hahah you are insane. Missing objects, effects and shadows is less barren and boring? lol
I'm guessing this
looks worse than the below too right?
No more shadows projected by the shields is a *design choice*, plus the screen tearing is an added effect am i right?
Why are you doing this? This comparison is pretty disingenuous compared to the rest of what was shown in the trailer.
Just respect the work that Crytek has done and move on.
How is it disingenous? It's the only gameplay scene that was also shown at e3.
There's a huge gash in the second screen.
Vire
Member
There is definitely some nasty screen tearing going on in the beach scene, but I'm willing to give it a pass since the game isn't finished and the rest of the game looks phenomenal technically.
Because you can nitpick basically any trailer to death and find faults, but overall the quality is very high throughout the video. Just seems silly to nitpick something that arguably looks better than anything else currently out there.
There is definitely some nasty screen tearing going on in the beach scene, but I'm willing to give it a pass since the game isn't finished and the rest of the game looks phenomenal technically.
Because you can nitpick basically any trailer to death and find faults, but overall the quality is very high throughout the video.
Obvious missing shadows and screen tearings are not nick picking. There's a lot of screen tearings in the more recent videos where as the E3 one had exactly zero.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
ypo stop drinking that haterade man. You've been harping on the same 2 seconds of footage since yesterday.
eso76
Member
Hahah you are insane. Missing objects, effects and shadows is less barren and boring? lol
I'm guessing this
looks worse than the below too right?
No more shadows projected by the shields is a *design choice*, plus the screen tearing is an added effect am i right?
Objects have ebeen moved.
Light is not as harsh and not coming from directly above, so no, shields wouldn tb ecasting shadows, especially not pitch black ones like in the above sshot.
you're insane if you think the game looks worse than before, because it looks a good deal better in every possible way.
Scofield94941
Member
just look at how this gen is starting compared to last. You go from Uncharted 1 ---- Last of US. I cant even imagine the games towards the end of next gen
While I agree that games will get more and more refined as the generation progresses, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect the pronounced quality gap that's been associated with the PS3 trajectory. Mainly because Sony's hardware was very challenging -to see the least-, and their dev tools quite nightmarish at the beginning of the gen...
Ok then so if you put a huge object over head it shouldn't case shadows. Awesome. Might as well get rid of all of the real time shadows.
It looks better in every possible way except missing shadows, effects, objects. There's additional screentearings though, that might be a plus depending how you look at it I guess.
Yea I'm sure the objects have been moved into storage.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Hahah you are insane. Missing objects, effects and shadows is less barren and boring? lol
I'm guessing this
looks worse than the below too right?
No more shadows projected by the shields is a *design choice*, plus the screen tearing is an added effect am i right?
Alright, I'll play ball, since you made that highly flawed comparison.
I still have Ryse from its E3 showing at the MS press conf DVR'd I'm running that very scene now on my HDTV, and guess what? The scene when they covered themselves with the shields looks more or less identical to the new footage, with the new footage actually appearing to have the edge in the shadow department. It's nowhere nearly as dark as that machinima screen capture you took when they shield themselves. Who are you kidding with that screen grab? You can barely even make out Marius' face and armor details in that machinima screen grab, whereas part of the point of that scene is to clearly show off his face, and the fact that he's still displaying full performance capture as he commands his team while under the protection of the shields. And in the E3 footage, the details of Marius' armor is still on full display, and not at all so horribly obscured by what you claim are shadows, which makes it pretty much accurate to the new footage, not that over dark machinima shot, which I'm hoping you didn't darken yourself to make a point. What you're calling shadows aren't actually all shadows at all. It's simply the result of a darker screen grab.
Here's another important detail that you tried to leave out. In the new footage, they are no longer in the larger shaded area on the beach, they are much closer to overtaking that position, meaning they have already excited from the shaded area. If you rewatch the E3 footage of Ryse, you will see that from the very first moment they defend themselves with shields, they are actually all standing inside of a pretty huge shaded location of the beach, and beyond a certain point there is no more shade. In the new footage, Marius and his troops are already past that large shaded area. They are practically on the verge of overtaking it now.
And there is no missing effects at all. The smoke is much blacker and thicker in the new build, which obviously more easily obscures the yellow or reddish hue from the burning fire compared to the lighter, less thick and more gray plumes of smoke from the E3 build. The missing effect you're referring to is the yellowish red appearance of a fire burning. It's still very much there in the new build, but better masked by thicker, blacker smoke. Oh, and talking about newer builds and effects. If the footage shown by Cevat Yerli at that DICE presentation he gave is any indication, that beach scene is now accompanied by weather effects such as thunder, something that wasn't present in the E3 build. So, more and better effects in the newest build, not less.
Nice try though.
E3 footage had massive frame drops, which appear mostly sorted in new footage. Tearing you're referring to in this new footage may not be tearing at all, but the sword slash effect. However, I did see slight tearing in the gamespot gameplay video they uploaded before this latest footage. However, the framerate was pretty damn solid, something it was far from being at E3, and I'd take tiny bits of tearing over horribly unstable framerate anyday, but of course the game isn't even done yet, so even that may be sorted.
Lay down the pipe. There's real time shadows in e3 the demo. Your nutjob conspiracy mind thinking I actually doctored the screenshot? lol. Try this one for a brighter footage. Real-time shadows in full effect. Way passed the shaded area.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/11/ryse-son-of-sparta-full-gameplay-demo-offscreen-e3-2013
No massive framerate drops there either. In fact doesn't even look like there's any framerate drop in the beach scene. Maybe you just have a shitty encoded video.
You write so much yet say nothing.
Oh look more real-time shadows from e3. Not in a shaded area either...well it's shaded by the shields in real time. I guess technically you can still argue it's in a shaded area.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/11/ryse-son-of-sparta-full-gameplay-demo-offscreen-e3-2013
No massive framerate drops there either. In fact doesn't even look like there's any framerate drop in the beach scene. Maybe you just have a shitty encoded video.
You write so much yet say nothing.
Oh look more real-time shadows from e3. Not in a shaded area either...well it's shaded by the shields in real time. I guess technically you can still argue it's in a shaded area.
Wow..nice visuals there. It's good to see Xbox One producing some stellar looking eye candy this early in the cycle..that means only good things to come even if i am going with PS4 and PC only this new gen.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
From quickly pausing, I notice in that scene where Marius gets knocked on his ass by some Barbarian that two other barbarians appear to be holding someone hostage. It seems Marius is fighting for dear life to save someone's life who is trapped right in front of him, but that guy appears a little too much for him.
Not sure why I continue wasting time on you, but this will be my last post where I even bother, because you sir are on a mission, one largely based on comparisons you already know are flawed or manipulated, and I don't have the patience to keep going back and forth on that kind of crap when I see quite clearly what's being done.
First - There are big framerate drops in the E3 footage. Don't give me some nonsense about it being a shitty encoded video, because if that's your excuse, then you're suggesting the video used at Microsoft's E3 press conference is a horribly encoded video, because that's exactly what shows the huge framerate drops at specific parts, especially towards the second half of the video. This isn't some online video I'm watching over a stream, or some badly encoded video I downloaded. This is the HD spike tv footage of Microsoft showing Ryse to the audience at their press briefing that is still saved on my DVR, and that I'm watching right now on my tv. This is the official TV broadcast of the press briefing I'm watching, not that broadcast re-encoded and then put online. Digital Foundry also pointed out the big framerate drops in the E3 footage. The new footage I've seen doesn't display such serious framerate issues. It's much more stable, even if that latest gameplay footage, before this story trailer, showcased some slight tearing. The performance was clearly better than the E3 build, something I'd glad take over what I saw at E3.
There were times when the E3 footage was solid or even perfect, but others when it had bad and obvious drops that would be highly distracting when trying to play it. It may not fit with your intended goal to acknowledge the flaws of the earlier media for this game, because that makes it harder to crow about downgrades that haven't happened, but the game was by no means perfect at E3. The newest footage shown displays much improved framerate as well as better visuals overall. And far be it from me to question your motivations, but that crappy screengrab you posted was heavily darkened, much darker from how the actual game appears. Why is that? That's why I wonder whether you purposely took some crappy screengrab that isn't actually representative of shadows at all, but more so of a mixture of more subtle shadows with a greatly darkened image overall, or just plain bad footage. Watching the press briefing footage now there is nowhere close to such an extreme change in lighting or shadow coverage when they go under the shields as that image implies, which is why I call bogus on that screen grab, and unfortunately nothing you can say will convince me otherwise, because I can see it for myself. The shadows that do appear are much more subtle in the E3 footage when they go under the shields, and that same look is more closely reflected by the screen grab of the new footage, not that screen grab from the old version of the game. What you posted approaches very close to pitch black. I'm curious if you were the one that did that screen grab, or if you got it from elsewhere, but wherever you got it, it doesn't reflect the game at all.
The fact that the E3 footage doesn't so drastically obscure the face of the main character, or so much of the armor's details during shield shadow coverage is all the proof I need of the intended purpose behind that screen grab. They want to show off the performance capture during that moment. It's one of the things Crytek highlights, and yet that screengrab almost entirely obscures the main character's face? Did Crytek screw up? Or is the screen grab screwed up? I go with the screen grab. Now, carry on if you will, but I've said as much as I will say on this matter. Go search for more downgrades.
Not sure why I continue wasting time on you, but this will be my last post where I even bother, because you sir are on a mission, one largely based on comparisons you already know are flawed or manipulated, and I don't have the patience to keep going back and forth on that kind of crap when I see quite clearly what's being done.
First - There are big framerate drops in the E3 footage. Don't give me some nonsense about it being a shitty encoded video, because if that's your excuse, then you're suggesting the video used at Microsoft's E3 press conference is a horribly encoded video, because that's exactly what shows the huge framerate drops at specific parts, especially towards the second half of the video. This isn't some online video I'm watching over a stream, or some badly encoded video I downloaded. This is the HD spike tv footage of Microsoft showing Ryse to the audience at their press briefing that is still saved on my DVR, and that I'm watching right now on my tv. This is the official TV broadcast of the press briefing I'm watching, not that broadcast re-encoded and then put online. Digital Foundry also pointed out the big framerate drops in the E3 footage. The new footage I've seen doesn't display such serious framerate issues. It's much more stable, even if that latest gameplay footage, before this story trailer, showcased some slight tearing. The performance was clearly better than the E3 build, something I'd glad take over what I saw at E3.
There were times when the E3 footage was solid or even perfect, but others when it had bad and obvious drops that would be highly distracting when trying to play it. It may not fit with your intended goal to acknowledge the flaws of the earlier media for this game, because that makes it harder to crow about downgrades that haven't happened, but the game was by no means perfect at E3. The newest footage shown displays much improved framerate as well as better visuals overall. And far be it from me to question your motivations, but that crappy screengrab you posted was heavily darkened, much darker from how the actual game appears. Why is that? That's why I wonder whether you purposely took some crappy screengrab that isn't actually representative of shadows at all, but more so of a mixture of more subtle shadows with a greatly darkened image overall, or just plain bad footage. Watching the press briefing footage now there is nowhere close to such an extreme change in lighting or shadow coverage when they go under the shields as that image implies, which is why I call bogus on that screen grab, and unfortunately nothing you can say will convince me otherwise, because I can see it for myself. The shadows that do appear are much more subtle in the E3 footage when they go under the shields, and that same look is more closely reflected by the screen grab of the new footage, not that screen grab from the old version of the game. What you posted approaches very close to pitch black. I'm curious if you were the one that did that screen grab, or if you got it from elsewhere, but wherever you got it, it doesn't reflect the game at all.
The fact that the E3 footage doesn't so drastically obscure the face of the main character, or so much of the armor's details during shield shadow coverage is all the proof I need of the intended purpose behind that screen grab. They want to show off the performance capture during that moment. It's one of the things Crytek highlights, and yet that screengrab almost entirely obscures the main character's face? Did Crytek screw up? Or is the screen grab screwed up? I go with the screen grab. Now, carry on if you will, but I've said as much as I will say on this matter. Go search for more downgrades.
Excellent video, Albert. I'm very impressed with what Crytek has shown for single player so far. There is a lot of potential for great storytelling. Hope it goes a lot deeper than their previous titles. Also, love the facial animation! Nero, especially.
Anaxymenes
Neo Member
Damn, looks really really good from atechnical standpoint but I don't trust Crytek to create any meaningful gameplay + the overthetop pseudo-historical art style is not really my taste (yeah I'm one of those ancient Rome geeks sorry).
Geesh! I just watched the video for a 2nd time but this time with the sound on because the first time i watched it i was listening to a podcast but HOLY CRAP!! This game is going to be bad ass!! I love the story going on here..i personally love the old Rome era back then with the Gladiators, their Politics,etc..the days of Christ i guess you can say ...but i love everything about this story and the sound is going to be phenomenal as well!!
Like i mentioned in a previous reply..i am only getting a PS4 to coincide with my gaming PC but i must admit guys..i am quite jealous i wont be able to play this game, I am glad the Xbox One guys have a great game at launch though..put's a smile on my face that regardless of which console are you getting on day 1..we all will have one great next gen game there on day 1.
As for the fanboys bashing the game purposely...just nevermind them dummies! They are too caught up in the stupid soap opera drama to realize the real passion in gaming..it's not about which system is better..it's about the games, the games, folks!
I am all set for my PS4 ...i just bought a new 55 Inch Panasonic Plasma and upgraded my surround sound home theater setup with two Infinity 12 inch powered subs..this game would go so lovely with my home theater setup...i might just have to grab an xbox one later down the road if this is a taste of what's to come with Xbox one.
Like i mentioned in a previous reply..i am only getting a PS4 to coincide with my gaming PC but i must admit guys..i am quite jealous i wont be able to play this game, I am glad the Xbox One guys have a great game at launch though..put's a smile on my face that regardless of which console are you getting on day 1..we all will have one great next gen game there on day 1.
As for the fanboys bashing the game purposely...just nevermind them dummies! They are too caught up in the stupid soap opera drama to realize the real passion in gaming..it's not about which system is better..it's about the games, the games, folks!
I am all set for my PS4 ...i just bought a new 55 Inch Panasonic Plasma and upgraded my surround sound home theater setup with two Infinity 12 inch powered subs..this game would go so lovely with my home theater setup...i might just have to grab an xbox one later down the road if this is a taste of what's to come with Xbox one.
Wait: Which GPU Upgrade?
The 53 MHz bump...
Vire
Member
They over clocked the GPU for a 5% performance gain. It's nothing major.
The optimizations Crytek made have a much bigger impact.
I thought this was only CPU. And thanks for reminding, I know it's nothing major.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Didn't you hear? 2 Radeon 290Xs were dropped in
How many flip flops is that? Seriously though, this is a launch title that was being developed on the 360 as a kinect game and moved to the Xbox one. It looks stunning (yeah the gameplay is a major question point), that can only be a positive with regards to Xbox one for future games.
Awesome, so IGN doctored the video by removing all framerate drops and adding in real-time shadows. Or maybe you need to get your eyes checked. You complained about the first pic being too dark so I posted a brighter one along with a brighter video showing the same real time shadows in a non shaded area and yet you went on to whine about some idiotic conspiracy.
Just ignore him. Seriously. It's not worth arguing with people who say stupid things.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Albert Penello knows how to hype
Oh please don't start this nonsense.
Never seen so much trolling on a positve topic before.
The gameplay is bad, The game is Linear (Like they have fucking completed the game and know every aspect).Pixels counting , pausing every second to find some flaws, Not enough water physic, No good shadow, No reflection on the eye pupil. Seriously, ITS A GAME. Get over your self and enjoy it. If you are not gonna get X1 nor this game, Why bother trolling and taking your precious time on something that does not interest you?
The gameplay is bad, The game is Linear (Like they have fucking completed the game and know every aspect).Pixels counting , pausing every second to find some flaws, Not enough water physic, No good shadow, No reflection on the eye pupil. Seriously, ITS A GAME. Get over your self and enjoy it. If you are not gonna get X1 nor this game, Why bother trolling and taking your precious time on something that does not interest you?
MysticGoujon
Banned
So, history buffs, can you answer me something? The trailer suggests that Barbarians slaughter Marius' family in Rome, hence his serious anger issues. Now from what I understand, this is set around about 87AD? Now my history isn't the greatest, but between the two sackings I know of, the sacking of Rome in 300BC and the sacking of Rome by the goths in 400AD, wasn't Rome as safe as houses, so how would his family have been killed? This is a genuine question by the way, not some kind of attack on the game, I'm an absolute sucker for history.
I'm pretty sure the dates in the game don't align with real history.
Been following GAF for years, Never botherd to sign up before but I felt like doing it now to be a part of a great community to enjoy gaming news and grown up discussions.
One wont see me in a game/console topic that am not gonna buy or interested in.
We were all juniors once, be kind.
Seriously though, I know I'll likely end up preferring the PS4 to the XBone but MS's launch lineup is looking a little better, especially with the delay of Driveclub. Maybe I should just wait until Infamous to get my PS4 an make the most of Ryse, Forza and Dead Rising for now.
And boy, Ryse looks so damned good. Honestly can't tell if this or Killzone will end up being more impressive as a tech showcase.
The Living Tribunal
Member
something fishy
Member
Looks great to me. Can't wait.
Dictator93
Member
The guy complaining about the shield shadows is a god damn troll. The soldiers in the more recent shot are obviously already in a shadowed area hence how the shields are no longer occluders and do not cast shadows.
Silly.
Silly.
gaming_noob
Member
try not to start shitty console wars thank u
jovial roman is my favorite next gen design of 2013