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New Xbox research survey asks players if they have fate in 343 industries and still playing Halo Infinite
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Aaron Olive
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Studio closure coming......
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I've played close to 200 hours in the first 2 months but I haven't started it in over a year. That's how you kill a game.
kiphalfton
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343i supporters:
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DenchDeckard
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This is great news, Microsoft are building a case for something drastic and what needs to happen for the good of the franchise.
This will (hopefully) give Microsoft the data to present to 343i that they have driven the franchise into the ground in public opinion and that their feelings aren't just internal. The fan base feels the same.
GG Microsoft I'm filling it out now.
This will (hopefully) give Microsoft the data to present to 343i that they have driven the franchise into the ground in public opinion and that their feelings aren't just internal. The fan base feels the same.
GG Microsoft I'm filling it out now.
Moses85
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In Cold Blood
Banned
Look, I'm critical of 343. They deserve alot of the criticism that is going their way. The budget for Halo Infinite was close to 1 billion I heard. They were given free range. They had a very large workforce of close to 500 people. On top of that they used three support studios in Certain Affinity, Sperasoft and Skybox Labs.
That is a massive amount of resources.
They had six years to develop the game.
Those six years with over 750 employees and nearly a billions dollars delivered one campaign game and a half assed multiplayer game.
That's truly unacceptable.
On the pro side, Halo Infinate campaign was a very good game. It's the best Halo since Bungie stopped making it. They delivered on that front.
On the negative side the multiplayer was a disaster.
The amount of time that they lost by changing engines half way through was crazy.
The engine they did create was sub standard and they would have been better off to use another engine like Unreal.
However, Microsoft has recognised all of this. First 343 embarrassed them with the initial showing of the game and the whole Craig meme.
They then missed the console launch and left MS with no first party game to accompany the console. They even had all the promotional stuff tailored around it.
On top of that MS know just how much money they would had lost on that game, and just how the reputation of Halo has diminished.
MS have gone through the studio with a broom, cleaned out alot of the dead wood and I have no doubt that things will improve from here on out.
The good thing now is that Halo, while it's important for Xbox, it no longer needs to hold the console on its shoulders anymore.
MS now has equal IP like Doom, Gears, Wolfenstien, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Starfield and hopefully Call of Duty. This means that 343 can now take their time and reboot the Series.
That is a massive amount of resources.
They had six years to develop the game.
Those six years with over 750 employees and nearly a billions dollars delivered one campaign game and a half assed multiplayer game.
That's truly unacceptable.
On the pro side, Halo Infinate campaign was a very good game. It's the best Halo since Bungie stopped making it. They delivered on that front.
On the negative side the multiplayer was a disaster.
The amount of time that they lost by changing engines half way through was crazy.
The engine they did create was sub standard and they would have been better off to use another engine like Unreal.
However, Microsoft has recognised all of this. First 343 embarrassed them with the initial showing of the game and the whole Craig meme.
They then missed the console launch and left MS with no first party game to accompany the console. They even had all the promotional stuff tailored around it.
On top of that MS know just how much money they would had lost on that game, and just how the reputation of Halo has diminished.
MS have gone through the studio with a broom, cleaned out alot of the dead wood and I have no doubt that things will improve from here on out.
The good thing now is that Halo, while it's important for Xbox, it no longer needs to hold the console on its shoulders anymore.
MS now has equal IP like Doom, Gears, Wolfenstien, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Starfield and hopefully Call of Duty. This means that 343 can now take their time and reboot the Series.
kiphalfton
Member
Hopefully being the key word.
Somehow, some way though, nothing will come of it.
I mean ffs you're putting faith in the general public after all
Trab-Pu-Kcip
Member
Studio closure? It would be better fire those at the managment.
Must have had some delicious breakfast at work events.
Ar¢tos
Member
They can always continue the TV show...
343 is the worst developer who continues to get work. Have never put out a good game and ruined a once great franchise. Do you really need a survey to learn this? You could argue they would never be as good as Bungie but they didn't even try to mimic they went the complete opposite direction.
bitbydeath
Member
The survey means MS can save face by putting the decision they may have/not already made back on the fans.
ZehDon
Gold Member
They fired the CEO, they re-located the Head of Transmedia, they gutted the leadership team, they gutted the development team leads, they dropped more than a few from the development teams, and they cancelled all talks of anything other than multiplayer for Halo moving forward.
Microsoft already did something drastic, because 343i themselves built an airtight case that they shouldn't be in charge of anything. Now they go radio silent and hope that the Battle Royale mode saves Infinite's multiplayer.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
I'm going to take it a step further : Halo and its formula, as it stands right now it just isn't viable anymore, people have been moving on to other "mega" FPS franchises like COD etc for years now, it needs to be shaped/rebuilt into something else completely, just like you said, maybe an RPG or a 3rd person action/action-adventure game, maybe it sounds like sacrilege to turn a once mega FPS franchise into something else completely but...it hasn't being going well for them (MS) since Halo 4, Infinite has been their 3rd strike and they just can't continue like this...
Thinking about it, a 3rd person Halo wouldn't be so strange since it always featured a TPS camera (driving/flying/holding heavy weapons) and it always worked well, add an actual good story where MC doesn't talk to his hand every other cutscene (Infinite), an improved melee system, some minor platforming and exploration, diverse looking biomes/levels (Halo 4 wasn't bad regarding this, Infinite on the other hand sucked) and maybe, just maybe, things will work out better next time.
Just my opinion of course ...
Bo_Hazem
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anthony2690
Banned
Going to need a source to laugh at, especially as you believe this...
Edit: in the survey is there any mention of mtx prices? (This is my main gripe with the game other than slow content rollout & no traditional progression system currently in the game) £8 for an outfit/armour set that popular games like fortnite have normalised is crazy to me, as I remember the outrage for 89p outfits in gears judgment back in the day.
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systemr123
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The survey is probably an excuse for the boss to close the studio as in: look, nobody likes you, we’re closing you down.
Which honestly is a weak strategy I would say. You should put away the studio from a position of strength and say they close down because they’re simply not producing results. Having a public survey like this sounds more like an old fashioned witch hunt and to me it doesn’t give a good feeling about MS.
feynoob
Banned
It was never a good sign, when you try to chase a live service mode with no content on line.
Anyone defending them needs to check with a doctor.
supernova8
Banned
The studios handling Halo and Gears are effectively surrogate mothers. I think that's part of the problem.
Both franchises look like they're almost frozen in time in terms of game mechanics. Nothing wrong with the franchises per se, they're just in the wrong hands (not sure what the rights are, though).
Compare that to God of War on PS4 versus everything that came before it, or the massive upgrade from Uncharted 3 to Uncharted 4. It's not even remotely close.
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BlackTron
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I like this take. Sometimes you need a true disaster for things to change. Because MS is so conservative and can tank so many hits, even botching the MCC wasn't enough.
It can be a good thing. The aimless Wii U debacle resulted in Switch. Sometimes you gotta hit rock bottom first.
Mephisto40
Member
If they werent so intent on making this a live service game none of this would have happened
chromhound
Member
Next Halo by Bethesda 
? Lol
? Lol
kuncol02
Banned
They already fired basically whole leadership of 343.
Josemayuste
Member
Sorry, but..
Thebonehead
Banned
343 You had your chance
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Yeah people were done with a series that still sold millions of copies. FFS that is a lame take.
It's all in the wrist
Member
I need a "yes I'm finished playing it because I finished the wonderful campaign" option. 
LostDonkey
Member
It was great, but for some reason I never finished the campaign. I don't know, it just got...tiresome.
Didn't touch MP. Never will.
Didn't touch MP. Never will.
Spaceman292
Banned
tbh Gears and Wolfenstein are nosediving too. Elder Scrolls is taking so long to make that it's barely worth thinking about right now, and the next Fallout will take even longer than that.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Well, a cross-section of Xbox gamers, who are the target market for past and future Halo games, are not just some randos.
They are precisely the only stakeholders whose opinions matter on the state of the Halo franchise and the remaining hope (or lack thereof) for its future in the hands of 343i.
I actually, agree that this is in poor taste, but I can totally see the logic and value of them polling this group.
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Badlucktroll
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Yes and NA
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Im torn about what to answer.
My favorite Halo so far is 4, which is made by 343 industries.
After only need to complete Halo Infinite, I can see why people are upset over 343 Industries, as in my opinion they make good gameplay, but shitty stories.
Playing with a controller, I gotta be honest that Halo 5 Guardian felt best, and I really do like the art style they used in this. But my god that fucking story. The plot was dragged faaarr to long, and wasnt really interesting.
I mean
Giving all the shit on the net 343 Industries, I was actually kinda surprised over they didnt make Halo reach, and Halo: ODST, as I think these are the weakest games in the series. I really love the characters in ODST, but I think the campaign is as and boring.
I only started on Halo Infinite, and so far I am having fun. I am pretty confused, as I dont understand why the brutes now are the main enemies, or the leader or what you wanna call them. Its like, going from 5 to Infinite, its like theres a gap of story missing.
Probably because I need to complete the Halo Wars games? Which sucks if thats the case, as I am not really intro RTS games.
From what I see with Halo Infinite, is the campaign is fun, but the multiplayer is straight up trash.
Not in the sense of its bad, but because they are releasing a GaaS game with literally nothing in it. I love online, I like Halo, and I played Halo Infinite online for like one or two months. But running the same handful of maps just wasnt exciting. It was waaay to barebone as release, and in that area you either make it or break it. The momentum is in the beginning, and if you fail that, then you are fucked.
There are some games that made a return despite being shit, like ESO and FFXIV, but the list can be shown on one hand, versus all the other that have failed.
If you fuck a massive franchise up like Halo up in an online game, then you are seriously a bunch of craigs.
343 Industries should get some story writers instead of the janitor, and get someone who actually understands to make a online GaaS.
My favorite Halo so far is 4, which is made by 343 industries.
After only need to complete Halo Infinite, I can see why people are upset over 343 Industries, as in my opinion they make good gameplay, but shitty stories.
Playing with a controller, I gotta be honest that Halo 5 Guardian felt best, and I really do like the art style they used in this. But my god that fucking story. The plot was dragged faaarr to long, and wasnt really interesting.
I mean
The twist with Cortana was kinda cool, even though it could be seen a mile away. Shes trying to do something for the greater good, but end up being... kinda evil? I think its in a grey aera, up to the player what to think.
While I think the idea for the story is cool, it was very poorly made in the final product
While I think the idea for the story is cool, it was very poorly made in the final product
Giving all the shit on the net 343 Industries, I was actually kinda surprised over they didnt make Halo reach, and Halo: ODST, as I think these are the weakest games in the series. I really love the characters in ODST, but I think the campaign is as and boring.
I only started on Halo Infinite, and so far I am having fun. I am pretty confused, as I dont understand why the brutes now are the main enemies, or the leader or what you wanna call them. Its like, going from 5 to Infinite, its like theres a gap of story missing.
Probably because I need to complete the Halo Wars games? Which sucks if thats the case, as I am not really intro RTS games.
From what I see with Halo Infinite, is the campaign is fun, but the multiplayer is straight up trash.
Not in the sense of its bad, but because they are releasing a GaaS game with literally nothing in it. I love online, I like Halo, and I played Halo Infinite online for like one or two months. But running the same handful of maps just wasnt exciting. It was waaay to barebone as release, and in that area you either make it or break it. The momentum is in the beginning, and if you fail that, then you are fucked.
There are some games that made a return despite being shit, like ESO and FFXIV, but the list can be shown on one hand, versus all the other that have failed.
If you fuck a massive franchise up like Halo up in an online game, then you are seriously a bunch of craigs.
343 Industries should get some story writers instead of the janitor, and get someone who actually understands to make a online GaaS.
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Unknown Soldier
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The up side is no one will care if Call of Duty dies after it goes Xbox exclusive anyways
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Agreed.
Call of Duty is a niche-indie franchise that never has hit the charts.
It's such a niche franchise that it's weird Sony does everything to keep it on their platform.
Like what are Sony thinking? They earn nothing on the game so why keep it. No one cares about it.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
I wish i got this survey
Is it because people aren't into 343 they they aren't asking basic validity questions? Like okay the first question is obvious and benign, but the second is so specific and tailored not to how a professional would ask this on a survey, but what a current player who doesn't know about survey design would think a professional survey designer would ask this question.
. . .also the second question has no punctuation and the "NA" response is is different formatting.
. . .also the second question has no punctuation and the "NA" response is is different formatting.