McHuj
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Very specific, very believable. But it could still be all BS.
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Very specific, very believable. But it could still be all BS.
McHuj
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576 GB/sec since it's clamshell mode.
xool
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Doesn't that half data rate, but double data width .. so it's still the same overall .. (not sure - I'm floundering here)
THE:MILKMAN
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The RAM chips are piquing my interest. Saying that if you had access to the devkit PCB then why not just anonymously post pics instead?
I could Google all those parts and make a believable spec list. A picture of this PCB in the devkit would be harder to argue against.
I could Google all those parts and make a believable spec list. A picture of this PCB in the devkit would be harder to argue against.
THE:MILKMAN
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Only one is likely in a console! A 384bit one is pushing it. 512bit is not happening IMO.
Negotiator
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Wait, is that a 2TB SSD on a console (not dev kit)?
He said 4 chips and each one is 512GB.
Here it also mentions 2TB, but it's hybrid (like 2TB HDD + 256GB SSD cache):
Ps5 2020 infos - Pastebin.com
2TB sounds batshit insane for a console! Some other rumors mention 1TB SSD (no HDD) for both Sony and MS.
Honestly, 32GB GDDR6 sounds a lot more believable than slapping 2TB of SSD storage.
Either way, I get the impression that Sony has multiple PS5 iterations in their labs, so multiple leaks from various sources (minus fake ones) might be explained by that.
Does anyone remember the 2 PS4 Pro iterations? The one we got had Jaguar, the 2nd one ($499 SKU) had Zen 1 CPU. The 2nd one is probably what became the proto-PS5.
No way it's gonna be a big fat 512-bit bus! Unless it's $599 minimum.
I'll take an avatar bet if that happens on a consumer console.
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ethomaz
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Well 256bits gives a bandwidht of 576GB/s if the GDDR6 is running at specification speeds (18000Mhz).
But remember consoles uses to run the RAM at lower speed to decrease the vcore so less power consumption.
At 17000Mhz gives 544GB/s for example.
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Ar¢tos
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It's a dev kit, don't expect 2tb storage or 32gb ram in the retail unit.Wait, is that a 2TB SSD on a console (not dev kit)?
He said 4 chips and each one is 512GB.
Here it also mentions 2TB, but it's hybrid (like 2TB HDD + 256GB SSD cache):
Ps5 2020 infos - Pastebin.com
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2TB sounds batshit insane for a console! Some other rumors mention 1TB SSD (no HDD) for both Sony and MS.
Honestly, 32GB GDDR6 sounds a lot more believable than slapping 2TB of SSD storage.
Either way, I get the impression that Sony has multiple PS5 iterations in their labs, so multiple leaks from various sources (minus fake ones) might be explained by that.
Does anyone remember the 2 PS4 Pro iterations? The one we got had Jaguar, the 2nd one ($499 SKU) has Zen 1 CPU. The 2nd one is probably what became the proto-PS5.
No way it's gonna be a big fat 512-bit bus! Unless it's $599 minimum.
I'll take an avatar bet if that happens on a consumer console.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
MS is supposed to release two consoles. One less powerful and another one more powerful. We don't know if these specs are the weaker or stronger.
Negotiator
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IIRC, dev kits have 48GB of RAM and 4TB of SSD storage.
xool
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My bad (corrected the table) -was trying to read descriptions for TH58LJT2T24BAEG in chinese ..
Here it also mentions 2TB, but it's hybrid (like 2TB HDD + 256GB SSD cache):
Ps5 2020 infos - Pastebin.com
2TB sounds batshit insane for a console! Some other rumors mention 1TB SSD (no HDD) for both Sony and MS.
Honestly, 32GB GDDR6 sounds a lot more believable than slapping 2TB of SSD storage.
Either way, I get the impression that Sony has multiple PS5 iterations in their labs, so multiple leaks from various sources (minus fake ones) might be explained by that.
Does anyone remember the 2 PS4 Pro iterations? The one we got had Jaguar, the 2nd one ($499 SKU) had Zen 1 CPU. The 2nd one is probably what became the proto-PS5.
No way it's gonna be a big fat 512-bit bus! Unless it's $599 minimum.
I'll take an avatar bet if that happens on a consumer console.
I always expect dev kits to have more memory and HDD/SSD than the product so 32GB/2TB is upper limit..
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Ar¢tos
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Now I'm confused. Aren't those dev kit specs?
ethomaz
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Yeap and it says 38GB RAM total (32GB GDDR6 and 6GB DDR4) and 4TB SSD.
You are probably looking at 16GB GDDR6 + 6GB DDR4 and 1TB SSD for retail unit.
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Fake
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Depends. Microsoft have some high end nextbox coming after all.
devilNprada
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Hey... Watch it now! There's a couple people that love sony phones.
Ar¢tos
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Wasn't 22gb GDDR6 closer to the bandwidth leak?
Negotiator
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Since he said clamshell configuration (x16 vs x32), then each GDDR6 chip will only have 16 bits x 16 chips = 256-bit bus.
OG PS4 also had a clamshell memory setup, which is very convenient for cost savings as you can see:
OG PS4 also had a clamshell memory setup, which is very convenient for cost savings as you can see:
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xool
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[edit - screw this - toomuchlittlecoffee - I was wrong]
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Negotiator
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What do you mean? APUs and GPUs have no lid (if you meant the heat spreader, only CPUs have that).
Why would it break?
Either way, we'll know for sure the exact dimensions of the APU die (assuming it's monolithic) by the end of 2020.
xool
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You're right what was I thinking (actually I was thinking the PS4 APU had a lid)- but checking images I now see that you can see the backside of the dark shiny silicon (or whatever it is..)
Ovech-King
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Thanks for detailling the analysis for me, I was on my phone when I posted on reddit and I usually do all posting on PC
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ethomaz
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Yeap there is a leak with 22GB RAM.
But well there is so many leaks that cover all configs we can get
xool
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Well thank you - you might want to check it (my stuff) again, because I've had to make 2 major corrections .. oops
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Negotiator
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I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post ERA links, but I think this post is very thoughtful:
www.resetera.com
I guess Switch revolutionized the gaming field in a way? People want minimum friction these days, no time to waste on console booting/excessive loading times.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
16 GDDR6 is what I'd expect if the HBM rumor isn't true.
www.resetera.com
I guess Switch revolutionized the gaming field in a way? People want minimum friction these days, no time to waste on console booting/excessive loading times.
Ovech-King
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Great write up and thanks for correcting me, 32GB and 2TB SSd make sense for devkits though . I expect the final product to cut in half just like the Xbox One X devkits were 24GB vs 12GB on the final product so I guess 16GB DDR6 (+ 4GB (?) DDR4) and 1TB SSD will be the final specs
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ethomaz
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Sony key marketing at PS4 reveal was games playing without any loadtimes and most Sony first party games hide the loads times while you watch the cutscenes... Killzone at launch for example give you gameplay in less than 15s from a console cold boot.I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post ERA links, but I think this post is very thoughtful:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
16 GDDR6 is what I'd expect if the HBM rumor isn't true.
I guess Switch revolutionized the gaming field in a way? People want minimum friction these days, no time to waste on console booting/excessive loading times.
They are only following the Cerny goals started on PS4.
CyberPanda
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Ar¢tos
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You're very late
CyberPanda
CyberPanda
CyberPanda
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OopsYou're very late
CrustyBritches
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It's not theory, I tested it before I posted.
FH4 and TW3.6TF RX 480 can match X1X in FH4 and TW3 with tweaking and decent mem oc. A good oc should yield 2250MHz on either RX 480 or RX 580. I don't believe max mem clock ever changed. Polaris 10 has nasty power consumption scaling at max clocks. X1X also has 326GB/s memory bandwidth, I'm stuck around 273GB/s and RX 480/580 has 288GB/s max.
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This is why I'm saying it's better to think of the X1X as a ~155W(peak draw) RX 480 with better memory bandwidth and more L2 cache than a 205W RX 580. That is to say, in a $499 175W total system consumption console, the GPU should have around 155W peak power consumption, not 205W.
SonGoku
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Bu buu Buut that's because of trash CPU skewing thingsIt's not theory, I tested it before I posted.
If the X had a decent CPU it would match or surpass rx 580
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SonGoku
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Clam shell mode doesn't cut bandwidth in half, you lose some but nowhere near 50%
What memory bus width btw?
I've read your comment, 16GB is a potential botleneck and unacceptable for a $500 system.
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Insane Metal
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As usualYou're very late
HeisenbergFX4
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CyberPanda
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I would only trust him on working out tips. *look at his twitter avatar*
Maybe he got these rumours from AMD employees in the locker room?
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CyberPanda
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CrustyBritches
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They're GPU bound in both scenarios. If the X1X had a better CPU then it would either consume more than 175W or end up having a lower power budget for the GPU.
It's not about which is more powerful, it's about finding the sweet spot in relation to perf/watt. RX 580 is in a bad spot for Polaris. It has poor perf/watt in relation to the bog standard RX 480, and hardly a worthy jump over 390. That's why I brought up the 390. In a way, MS rectified the compute to memory bandwidth disparity Polaris 10 has with more Hawaii gen ratio. That's why it's more like a 155W power capped RX 480 with higher mem bandwidth rather than a RX 580. Otherwise you could end up thinking they stuffed a 205W GPU into the X1X. Estimates for next-gen TDP would be assumed to be higher. In theory, at least.
SonGoku
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I get what you are trying to say but it can be a bit misleading since it can be understood as the X GPU is less capable than what its specs say.
The GPU inside the X is just as capable as the RX 580 while consuming less power, MS managed to put a 180W GPU in there.
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Imtjnotu
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This Arcturus shit won't die
Imtjnotu
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SonGoku
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PS5 MONSTER confirmed?
ResilientBanana
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Isn’t Arcturus supposed to be a generation after Navi? How would it be a mix of old and new? It makes no sense.
bitbydeath
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bitbydeath
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That was debunked by an AMD employee John somebody. Arcturus isn’t a GPU.
SonGoku
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Arturus is a GPU codename, likely from Navi.
Cell BE is back baby!
PS5 Secret Sauce - Pastebin.com
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Tripolygon
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Broadband is wide bandwidth data transmission
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