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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & Next Xbox |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

Next Gen Consoles Power Level


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Sony totally failed in the last game of “chess” PS4 Pro vs Xbox one x .. also sony ps2 was performance wise decimated by the original xbox.
They can't launch one year earlier and with cheaper hardware with superior specs, that would be magic.
 

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Just to make it clear...

Zen 2 FPU is indeed 256bits... it doubled from Zen/Zen+ 128bits FPU.

So 32flops (SP) and 16flops (DP) per cycle per core is right.

 
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Sony totally failed in the last game of “chess” PS4 Pro vs Xbox one x .. also sony ps2 was performance wise decimated by the original xbox.

Come to think of it after a huge sales advantage from that generation Sony lost the next by almost every benchmark .. console sales, games sales and games performance the era of ps3 vs 360.

So far performance wise Sony has lost 3/4 console releases.
Sony lost the last game of chess? You sound so naive and ridiculous. Xbox X came out a year and a half later at a higher price hence the power advantage but guess what? It still didn't make a dent and Sony is still outselling Xbox. Not to mention PS exclusives are still outselling and looking better than anything on the X. Take that biased, fanboy bizarre world bs elsewhere your making yourself look like a fool.

BTW Almost all Ps3 exclusives carried the graphics benchmark during tht era. Uncharted 2/3 spanked every Gears game in graphics, Killzone 2/3 looked better than every Halo lol, God of War etc. Not to mention Sony caught up to Xbox in sales, even with a higher price point and coming out a year later. BTW go check the stats almost every year after it hit the market ps3 outsold Xbox 360 even costing hundreds more. You living in a bizarre world bro. Better thank those padded rrod numbers for even being close lol 😂😂😂
 
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They can't launch one year earlier and with cheaper hardware with superior specs, that would be magic.
The 360 was magic, is that your point? .. it was more powerful cheaper and released a year earier.

Sony is known for a whole lot of BS before release .. for the ps3 ( multiple hdmi outs .. pretending it was way better than the 360).. they also did the whole massive disinformation campaign that killed the dreamcast when that was actually a great machine.
 

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afaik it doesn't because the two threads per core share the same SIMD units (efficiency increase, but theoretical numbers stay same)
Yeap I believe you are right... registers and others few units are redundant to create the virtual core but FPU is shared/same (if the core is using the virtual can't use).
 
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Sony totally failed in the last game of “chess” PS4 Pro vs Xbox one x .. also sony ps2 was performance wise decimated by the original xbox.

Come to think of it after a huge sales advantage from that generation Sony lost the next by almost every benchmark .. console sales, games sales and games performance the era of ps3 vs 360.

So far performance wise Sony has lost 3/4 console releases.
Decimated? Coming out a year later with a higher pricetag Xbox One X and a year and a half later Xbox, decimated??? That's not something to brag about. Which xbox 360 game compares to ps3 in the graphics department?
 

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Sony lost the last game of chess? You sound so naive and ridiculous. Xobx X came out a year and a half later at a higher price hence the power advantage but guess what? It still didn't make a dent abd Sony is still outselling Xbox. Take that biased, fanboy bizarre world bs elsewhere your making yourself look like a fool.

BTW Almost all Ps3 exclusives carried the graphics benchmark during tht era. Uncharted 2/3 spanked every Gears game in graphics, Killzone 2 looked better than every Halo lol, God of War etc. Not to mention Sony caught up to Xbox in sales, even with a higher price point and coming out a year later. BTW go check the stats almost every year after it hit the market ps3 outsold Xbox 360 even costing hundreds more. You moving in a bizarre world bro.
I like how you write the part in bold, and then totally ignore, that you're going off on a tangent yourself..
 

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Sony totally failed in the last game of “chess” PS4 Pro vs Xbox one x .. also sony ps2 was performance wise decimated by the original xbox.

Come to think of it after a huge sales advantage from that generation Sony lost the next by almost every benchmark .. console sales, games sales and games performance the era of ps3 vs 360.

So far performance wise Sony has lost 3/4 console releases.
From what I know Pro sell more than X... so who won the chess?
I remember PS3 era to have a slow start to Sony but after they did catch in sales... and the best games in graphics/performance were on PS3.
 
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Sony totally failed in the last game of “chess” PS4 Pro vs Xbox one x .. also sony ps2 was performance wise decimated by the original xbox.

Come to think of it after a huge sales advantage from that generation Sony lost the next by almost every benchmark .. console sales, games sales and games performance the era of ps3 vs 360.

So far performance wise Sony has lost 3/4 console releases.
Apples! Apples!

Sony lost the last game of chess? You sound so naive and ridiculous. Xbox X came out a year and a half later at a higher price hence the power advantage but guess what? It still didn't make a dent and Sony is still outselling Xbox. Not to mention PS exclusives are still outselling and looking better than anything on the X. Take that biased, fanboy bizarre world bs elsewhere your making yourself look like a fool.

BTW Almost all Ps3 exclusives carried the graphics benchmark during tht era. Uncharted 2/3 spanked every Gears game in graphics, Killzone 2/3 looked better than every Halo lol, God of War etc. Not to mention Sony caught up to Xbox in sales, even with a higher price point and coming out a year later. BTW go check the stats almost every year after it hit the market ps3 outsold Xbox 360 even costing hundreds more. You living in a bizarre world bro. Better thank those padded rrod numbers for even being close lol 😂😂😂
Oranges! Oranges!


Can we stop all the "my dad beats your dad" rubbish? Please?
 
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The 360 was magic, is that your point? .. it was more powerful cheaper and released a year earier.

Sony is known for a whole lot of BS before release .. for the ps3 ( multiple hdmi outs .. pretending it was way better than the 360).. they also did the whole massive disinformation campaign that killed the dreamcast when that was actually a great machine.
Go check those digital foundry and lens of truth articles everytime a new Uncharted, TLOU, God of War, Killzone game out lol you are misinformed those Sony exclusives were spanking the competition lol revisionist history I see. Only reason multiplats were running better on360 was due to cell architecture everyone knows that, meanwhile Sony exclusives were doing shit tht ppl couldn't believe lol the envy was real.
 
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I like how EVERYONE believes that XBox 2 is stronger than PS5 based on absolutely nothing. Some """""insider""""" said it and then everyone took it as true.
No different than the amount of people believing that Sony be stronger because of some """insider""". Goes both ways. The truth is, we won't know until final specs are given by both MS and Sony. Everything else is highly suspect and I don't believe none of it. I still stand by both consoles being very similar, between 10 and 12tf GPU, 16-24GB total RAM, and Zen2. The main difference between consoles will be Sony customizing for VR and MS customizing for Azure.
 
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Yeah it might outperform PC if it releases next month, not late 2020 though.
20TF and Zen3 though...
Yes, but usually multiplats don't often show off the system's true capabilities...... Yet you may be right as it relates to an MS console...... I think multiplats are the best looking games on recent Xbox consoles.... I'm not sure their first parties are really capable of pushing this hypothetical console or as I'd like to put it..... "Phil's Hammer"......
Yeah but it would be able to brute force 4k/60fps on multiplats
Phil said in at least 3 seperate interviews last E3 (even on stage if i remember right) that they will never lose the power advantage again. So without some VERY last minute changes, you have to think at this moment in time that the next Xbox will be more powerful than PS5.
I don't think its quite so simple. They work with AMD and know the options offered at every price point true... what they don't know is the price target ($400 or $500?) and how much of a loss each is willing to take so all that muddles the water of who gets an already miniscule (10-15%) perf crown.
Irrespective of Sony's hardware preferences, it's plain to see from X1X that MS is fully capable of delivering a well-engineered, high-powered console that's compact and quiet.

With diminishing returns, I don't think you'll see a "gotcha" moment with performance that plays out in any meaningful way. They have so much shit to mitigate that now(adaptive res, checkerboard, etc) and the differences at +/-4k are way harder to discern compared to lower res.
To add to this as TF counts go up it gets harder to create a significant gap to the point it won't be higher than 15%
There was a jeuxvideo leak

  • $249 Lockhart- 8-core CPU, a 4TF GPU, 12GB of RAM, 1TB SSD and DirectX Ray Tracing support.
  • $499 Anaconda.. same plus stronger 12TF GPU and 16GB of RAM
SonGoku SonGoku - can this go in the first post list ?
Ok looks fake though.. 16 and 12 GB is way too low
 

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Do you have numbers?
No numbers...

Mat (NPD) shared that unit sales Pro sells more while X have a bigger % sales in Xbox family than Pro (not incommon because PS4 family sells way more than XB1 family).

That is US the strongest Xbox territory.
Outside Pro maybe put even stronger numbers than X.
 
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Sony lost the last game of chess? You sound so naive and ridiculous. Xobx X came out a year and a half later at a higher price hence the power advantage but guess what? It still didn't make a dent abd Sony is still outselling Xbox. Take that biased, fanboy bizarre world bs elsewhere your making yourself look like a fool.

BTW Almost all Ps3 exclusives carried the graphics benchmark during tht era. Uncharted 2/3 spanked every Gears game in graphics, Killzone 2 looked better than every Halo lol, God of War etc. Not to mention Sony caught up to Xbox in sales, even with a higher price point and coming out a year later. BTW go check the stats almost every year after it hit the market ps3 outsold Xbox 360 even costing hundreds more. You moving in a bizarre world bro.
Xbox one x has been selling very well nobody claimed it would sell more than the original consoles.. Sony claimed the ps4 pro was a 4k machine .. its not, MS claimed its machine was and it is. The price difference is small, its quieter looks better has more ram and significantly better performance.

The xbox one x is a way better machine than the ps4 pro .. and obviously the Pro sold just a few more despite the huge advantage of user base because Sony wont talk about sales numbers.

Total sales generally still put 360 ahead.
Games wise the best graphics was almost always 360 .. if u use 1 or two games to prove an architecture is better then forza horizon 3 easily beating drive club means the xbox one is more powerful than the ps4. I doubt youd be down with that argument. Your obviously a little confused and reactive as i pointed out in my last point.

As i said console sales wise, game sales wise and performance wise the 360 beat the ps3.

Overall sony has lost 3 out of 4 performance capabilities of the console releases.
 

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No numbers...

Mat (NPD) shared that unit sales Pro sells more while X have a bigger % sales in Xbox family than Pro (not incommon because PS4 family sells way more than XB1 family).

That is US the strongest Xbox territory.
Outside Pro maybe put even stronger numbers than X.
That doesn't even matter lol in the end we know Sony still spanking Xbox in console sales what does it matter if it's an x or a pro? The X did not have a big affect.

Either way sorry for getting off topic.
 
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No different than the amount of people believing that Sony be stronger because of some """insider""". Goes both ways. The truth is, we won't know until final specs are given by both MS and Sony. Everything else is highly suspect and I don't believe none of it. I still stand by both consoles being very similar, between 10 and 12tf GPU, 16-24GB total RAM, and Zen2. The main difference between consoles will be Sony customizing for VR and MS customizing for Azure.
Which """***Insider***""" says Sony is stronger or is this tales from your arse as usual?
 

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Xbox one x has been selling very well nobody claimed it would sell more than the original consoles.. Sony claimed the ps4 pro was a 4k machine .. its not, MS claimed its machine was and it is. The price difference is small, its quieter looks better has more ram and significantly better performance.

The xbox one x is a way better machine than the ps4 pro .. and obviously the Pro sold just a few more despite the huge advantage of user base because Sony wont talk about sales numbers.

Total sales generally still put 360 ahead.
Games wise the best graphics was almost always 360 .. if u use 1 or two games to prove an architecture is better then forza horizon 3 easily beating drive club means the xbox one is more powerful than the ps4. I doubt youd be down with that argument. Your obviously a little confused and reactive as i pointed out in my last point.

As i said console sales wise, game sales wise and performance wise the 360 beat the ps3.

Overall sony has lost 3 out of 4 performance capabilities of the console releases.
I figured you would skirt around everything I said lol 😂😂😂 I know I know you just not gonna win. Get back on topic you spewing hot air like you know....
 

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The xbox one x is a way better machine than the ps4 pro .. and obviously the Pro sold just a few more despite the huge advantage of user base because Sony wont talk about sales numbers.
And Microsoft does? Where can I get those numbers? Often stated figure for the Pro is that about one in five of PS4s sold is a Pro (so 20% or thereabouts). Whether that is high or not I cannot say. Where do I get sales figures for One, X or not?
 
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There's a bunch of those in 4chan and pastebin. Take your pick.
Yup if anything all that Anaconda is stronger narrative is coming from inside the forums ppl bringing up what Phil said months ago about not trying to lose the power advantage anymore like they did with PS4. I remember one rumor conveniently the same day the wire article came out which looked like damage control but nothing really since.

On both sides tales out someone's ass 😂😂😂
 
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No numbers...

Mat (NPD) shared that unit sales Pro sells more while X have a bigger % sales in Xbox family than Pro (not incommon because PS4 family sells way more than XB1 family).

That is US the strongest Xbox territory.
Outside Pro maybe put even stronger numbers than X.
So you have no numbers, yet you present it as a fact that the PS4 Pro is outselling the XBX? You're probably right, but can we try to up the general level of this thread? It has spiralled into fanboys from both sides fighting to see who can produce the most ridiculous leaks, who can make the greatest passive aggressive remark about the other side.

Making baseless claims about sales just helps ignite the fire that is already ruining the thread.

And Microsoft does? Where can I get those numbers? Often stated figure for the Pro is that about one in five of PS4s sold is a Pro (so 20% or thereabouts). Whether that is high or not I cannot say. Where do I get sales figures for One, X or not?
Pssst. Straight from NPD: "Xbox One X has been more meaningful to the total sales story on Xbox One than Pro has been to PS4’s. "
 
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So you have no numbers, yet you present it as a fact that the PS4 Pro is outselling the XBX? You're probably right, but can we try to up the general level of this thread? It has spiralled into fanboys from both sides fighting to see who can produce the most ridiculous leaks, who can make the greatest passive aggressive remark about the other side.

Making baseless claims about sales just helps ignite the fire that is already ruining the thread.
No matter how you spin it what I said is true and come directly from their mouth (NPD)... that makes the quote I replied false so I corrected him.
 
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I figured you would skirt around everything I said lol 😂😂😂 I know I know you just not gonna win. Get back on topic you spewing hot air like you know....
What are you talking about i responded to every point.... let me spell it out for you.

Console sales - xbox 360 was ahead when they stopped making them .. xbox won.
Games sales - xbox 360 attach ratio was double PS3
Games performance - xbox 360 won almost every multiplatform ever .. ps3 had some nice looking exclusives but so did the 360, like tomb raider which was described by digital foundry as the best looking game of the generation

You call me a fanboy because your arguments are weak and disproved by me here in clear text.
 

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16GB is the minimum i would expect for lockart lol
The affordable? Maybe, but is none of those next box get the same price as PS5? Thats my guess. The low will be more cheap than PS5 and the hardcore/Xbox X alike will be more expansive. 16GB~12GB for the lower console is not that bad if they want to promove the cloud.
Again, is my guess. 16~12 for the little one.
 
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What are you talking about i responded to every point.... let me spell it out for you.

Console sales - xbox 360 was ahead when they stopped making them .. xbox won.
Games sales - xbox 360 attach ratio was double PS3
Games performance - xbox 360 won almost every multiplatform ever .. ps3 had some nice looking exclusives but so did the 360, like tomb raider which was described by digital foundry as the best looking game of the generation

You call me a fanboy because your arguments are weak and disproved by me here in clear text.
Best looking games last gen was Gears Judgement and Halo 4. Really stunning for what little RAM devs had to deal with.
 

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Pssst. Straight from NPD: "Xbox One X has been more meaningful to the total sales story on Xbox One than Pro has been to PS4’s. "
...in the US. Just a hint, that doesn't account for global sales. But let us get back to highly suspicious pastebin leaks!
 
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Those anonymous insider leaks from reddit and 4chan in this very thread. Did you read the thread at all?
lol lol lol, I like how you just said the same thing FranXico did because you have no source. Anonymous insiders on reddit and 4chan, you mean like Son Goku here? LOL. How about linking me to real insiders like you know, Klobrille, Brad, Jez.
 

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...in the US. Just a hint, that doesn't account for global sales. But let us get back to highly suspicious pastebin leaks!
Agreed on the latter, and I'm well aware that NPD tracks US sales data. But we can assume that the "base to pro" ratio of the two consoles are more or less equal worldwide.
 

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lol lol lol, I like how you just said the same thing FranXico did because you have no source. Anonymous insiders on reddit and 4chan, you mean like Son Goku here? LOL. How about linking me to real insiders like you know, Klobrille, Brad, Jez.
To be fair, I really was referring to bogus """insiders""", as in, fakes. And I think so was LuvOfThaGame.

And Son Goku's pastebin was funny. :)
 
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What are you talking about i responded to every point.... let me spell it out for you.

Console sales - xbox 360 was ahead when they stopped making them .. xbox won.
Games sales - xbox 360 attach ratio was double PS3
Games performance - xbox 360 won almost every multiplatform ever .. ps3 had some nice looking exclusives but so did the 360, like tomb raider which was described by digital foundry as the best looking game of the generation

You call me a fanboy because your arguments are weak and disproved by me here in clear text.
Back to this? lol PS4 has spanked Xbox all the way through even after Xbox x dropped.

PS3 nooooo Xbox exclusive on 360 looked better than Uncharted 2/3,TLOU, Killzone 2/3, God of War etc this was a consensus not just hot air out someone's ass like you know lol .

Again at a higher price point, a year later Sony all the way through outsold 360 worldwide until the end almost every month. Your argument is frivolous and weak like the Xbox's tht kept dying of rrod lol and padding the numbers. 360 was not stronger than Ps3 only multiplats performed better because of the cell.

You can respond but I'm done with this convo. Facts are facts 😁
 
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They could get away with 12GB of GDDR6. Same as Scorpio, but faster RAM and not needing to load 4k assets.
Idk if Snek/PS5 target 24GB the gap might be too big even accounting 1080p vs 4k.
The affordable? Maybe, but is none of those next box get the same price as PS5? Thats my guess. The low will be more cheap than PS5 and the hardcore/Xbox X alike will be more expansive. 16GB~12GB for the lower console is not that bad if they want to promove the cloud.
Again, is my guess. 16~12 for the little one.
I would guess that if the higher specced twins feature 24GB, 12GB would be too big a drop to maintain parity.
We'll see, no point arguing now over what ifs
 

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It'll be great to see what both companies can do with OS advancements next gen. With SSDs, more and faster RAM, and a beast CPU compared to the Jags, they could do some great stuff. I would like to see MS do something like the game bar overlay for console but more expansive for media. I really loved snap feature and would like to see an advanced version of that but in a picture in picture customizable overlay.
 

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Either way E3 is around the corner I hope Microsoft has a full next Gen blowout and following that Sony does their full reveal during their own announcement day. Good times ahead, good indeed 🔥😁
 
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It'll be great to see what both companies can do with OS advancements next gen. With SSDs, more and faster RAM, and a beast CPU compared to the Jags, they could do some great stuff. I would like to see MS do something like the game bar overlay for console but more expansive for media. I really loved snap feature and would like to see an advanced version of that but in a picture in picture customizable overlay.
If there's any truth to rumours, a memory pool dedicated to the OS is quite intriguing.
 
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I would guess that if the higher specced twins feature 24GB, 12GB would be too big a drop to maintain parity.
We'll see, no point arguing now over what ifs
Fair enough. Still think its not that bad low memory. And unless they drop those two consoles (or first the high end and than later the cheap one) a year later its impossible to maintain the parity without knowing the PS5 specs. Happens with PS5 vs Xbox One.
I mean, we don't even know if is really GDDR6. Lets see if Microsoft split the beans at E3.
 

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So what are the current spec rumors of the Xbox One Next gen? This topic is 2/3 about the PS5.
That's because of the PS5 Wired soft reveal, Xbox didnt have anything of the sort yet.
If you do find a leak/rumor that is worth discussing let me know to add to the OP
 
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lol lol lol, I like how you just said the same thing FranXico did because you have no source. Anonymous insiders on reddit and 4chan, you mean like Son Goku here? LOL. How about linking me to real insiders like you know, Klobrille, Brad, Jez.
I was typing and he beat me to it. I was referring to 4chan and reddit. It's the same damn thing. I'm sure there are plenty of "names" on twitter, one of which was posted here, but I don't care to look for it. If you've kept up with this and the other threads, it isn't made up, so i don't know why you're acting as if it never happened. No need to be facetious. There's high Hopes coming from both sides. It does seem like the majority is starting to level out, though. It's understandable. People get excited and shoot a bit too high.