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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

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Shouldn't be a shock to anyone. A lot of companies are restricting travel to and from Asian regions, whether or not they have the Coronavirus active there. Also seems to me that a lot of Asian countries react VERY STRONGLY to any disease. Seem to see a lot of video and pictures from there in just about any given year where lots of people are wearing masks, etc., even WITHOUT some big public bug like we have right now. I've wondered if that was a cultural thing- more aversion to germs for example, or if it's simply a reaction to those areas where there are tons of people in crowds so people try to safeguard their health in general?

Either way, not a shock. Until this Corona virus is gone or at least not increasing in scope of infection, I expect more of the same. I believe this is also driving the memory 'shortages' and other component issues the tech field is experiencing. Plus, don't forget that a lot of manufacturing shifted from China to other countries like Taiwan and Vietnam over the past year due in large part to the tariffs put on Chinese goods. Those shifts come at a price and impact and a lot of those other markets aren't quite up to the task of providing exactly what China did. I don't think those shifts are really what's impacting Sony and MS as far as consoles go though...for them it's probably delays in production due to the virus in China. Time will tell!

Edit: IN NO WAY am I trying to cast any aspersion on asians or asian culture. Just wondering aloud about seeing those different kinds of pictures on a regular basis. Plus, China has reacted VERY STRONGLY to this bug and for something that's supposedly only as dangerous as the regular flu...it seems like overkill. So it makes me wonder and simply wonder if there are cultural/societal differences at play. That is all!
Yup, AMD been doing it for a while making the chips in Taiwan, plus ASUS is a Taiwanese company as I recall. Let's hope the virus is dealt with for the sake of souls first. 🙌

 
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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

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The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.
very impressive! :) Will we get more? :)
 
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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

Notes
The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.
Excellent. thanks!

native 4k 90 fps sounds like a cross gen game.

this should satisfy some xbox fans who were questioning you earlier. lol
 

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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

Notes
The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.
OH lawdddd 90fps and 4K? Ima fucking faint 💦💦😂😂😂

You see I'm luving this type of Info, thanks.
 

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I think this game Osiris is talking about is a sequel to Black. Destructible environment, tactical position of enemies... sounds like Black. Can't wait to see it. Whatever it is.

4K @ 90fps on both is amazing.

Also... >12TF for both machines. That's the target, anyway.

EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.

EVERYONE.GIF
 

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I wish reality would set in. Corona is not more deadly than influenca. They are targeting the same people (old people with existing conditions). Except it seems like Corona targets predominantly East Asian people while influenca targets mostly people in Europe/America. 10.000 people died this flu season alone in the US, yet everybody is scared because of 15 corona infections. It's ridiculous.
Well, I think the panic is again...regional mostly but is being driven by a few factors. First, China routinely lies about these kinds of things..they did the same with SARS. So people are skeptical of the official line. From what I've read a WHO team was pretty much JUST allowed in country to do their own studies. No one like WHO or the CDC has made an official statement about just how dangerous this bug is, because they haven't had the access and information. So people again, worry about a possible repeat of the black death or 1918 flu. Until those official entities that more people trust make official announcements, people will worry more.

Plus, I think that world society in general has kind of a feeling of impending doom...like SOMETHING bad will happen sooner or later, whether it's another global conflict, disease..getting hit by an asteroid.. Lots of people seem to expect that things will get worse somehow and reports of diseases like this one feed into those feelings and expectations as well. Humans tend to worry about the future a lot! :)
 

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I wish reality would set in. Corona is not more deadly than influenca. They are targeting the same people (old people with existing conditions). Except it seems like Corona targets predominantly East Asian people while influenca targets mostly people in Europe/America. 10.000 people died this flu season alone in the US, yet everybody is scared because of 15 corona infections. It's ridiculous.
The problem is COVID-19 is a new thing and as such the treatment they are applying for it really doesn't do anything at all. Meaning if your immune system cannot fight it off you are screwed. If you follow the news (lies and propaganda) they are reporting that there are 21 known cases of COVID-19 now in America. Knowing how the media works you can multiply that number by at least 8 to get an accurate feel for how serious it is. I do not think it will be the next plague but its looking to be close. Also its not just affecting older people its older and very young people. generally people between the ages of 23 and 45 are ok as long as there are no preexisting conditions. Either way its bad.
 

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I live in Brazil and already there are factories here that have nothing to do because no supplies are coming from China at all. I expect the same to happen to other industries in other countries if the situation doesn't change (COVID-19).

This thing could be worse than initially thought.
 

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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

Notes
The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.
90fps/4= 22.5fps. Guys, 8K is fuckin doable at this rate!!!
 

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90fps (why?) + native 4k + unbelievable graphics
Am I the only one that thinks this seems far-fetched?
Also again with the teraflops, no definite numbers, just the idea that both of them are aiming upwards 12. So in the end Osiris cannot be wrong since he never told any numbers. I know I'll be piled on for this post but you seem to be bullshitting us and just enjoying the spotlight. I can't wait for the reveals so this finally ends.
 

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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

Notes
The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.
Thank you, thank you very, very much! I was hesitant on either buying 8K or just stick with another (3rd) 4K TV with HDMI 2.1, it's clearly 8K! Now I know my goal in life, I will miss my family later this year, they were fun to hang out with.

 

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the lead graphics engine designer laughs at me for stopping every 30 seconds to just rotate the camera and look at the sights and listen to the sounds of their game world. "Everything in the game is PBR with multiple sources of volumetric lighting. All of the characters in this game are unique. You will never see the same character model more than once." As I am playing I realize how difficult this game is. I play several games competitively multiple genres (Smite,R6,SFV,CoD,BF,League) but I am getting my ass handed to me. I take the lead character out into a hallway and two enemies rush into the room shooting and moving in what appears to be a tactical pattern. "Is this fucking guy shooting at me while the other guy is trying to circle around to flank me?" he laughs again. "Yep, suppressive fire." As the enemy shoots at me I take note of the deformation of the geometry on display, chunks of cement give way revealing the metal pipes underneath that hold the structure together. Everything is based in reality including what happens when you shoot people or get shot. Its beautiful but it aint pretty.

I sit the controller down (I'm about to die again anyways) "The game is definitely running at 60fps" he shakes his head at me "No its running at 90fps locked. native 4k." dumb stare "On which machine?" he smiles "Both of them."

Two hours and several drinks later

When I asked about the performance of both consoles his response was "Both have the same target we will see if either of them hit that target. " I pushed further and asked what the target was and his response was simply."Above 12" That is not for the XseX or the PS5,from what I can gather internally both machines are targeting very high performance which lines up with hearing earlier that the machines would both be $499 with both companies Taking a loss.

Notes
The gdk they are working with is not the final kit for either machine and XseX is currently ahead in terms of sheer power. Sonys tool set is much more complete and refined.
The trailer is all actual game play. Not in engine but game play.
Every developer or engineer I have ever met day drinks.
Great write up can not wait to see these machines in action.
 

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90fps (why?) + native 4k + unbelievable graphics
Am I the only one that thinks this seems far-fetched?
Also again with the teraflops, no definite numbers, just the idea that both of them are aiming upwards 12. So in the end Osiris cannot be wrong since he never told any numbers. I know I'll be piled on for this post but you seem to be bullshitting us and just enjoying the spotlight. I can't wait for the reveals so this finally ends.
and how he could know definite numbers? it is not final GDK. if you are making assumptions, at least make them logical and reasonable. and again, he speaks with developers, if they don't share it, how he could know them?
 

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The problem is COVID-19 is a new thing and as such the treatment they are applying for it really doesn't do anything at all. Meaning if your immune system cannot fight it off you are screwed. If you follow the news (lies and propaganda) they are reporting that there are 21 known cases of COVID-19 now in America. Knowing how the media works you can multiply that number by at least 8 to get an accurate feel for how serious it is. I do not think it will be the next plague but its looking to be close. Also its not just affecting older people its older and very young people. generally people between the ages of 23 and 45 are ok as long as there are no preexisting conditions. Either way its bad.
No, kids are strangely exempt from Covid-19. Nobody knows yet, why that is. If the Chinese numbers are wrong and actually ten times as high, it's probably already everywhere. It had 50 days to go around the world before the first quarantine. But I think the Chinese numbers are quite correct. China's treatment of SARS was unanimously despised by their own peple. They wouldn't dare to do it again. And they couldn't hide thousands of deaths anyway. Wuhan has higher death rates than anywhere else, because their health system collapsed, not because Covid is so deadly. When you suddenly have 500 patients requiring breathing machines, you can't do anything anymore. China didn't act fast enough and Wuhan pays the price. The rest of the world will be fine.
 

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and how he could know definite numbers? it is not final GDK. if you are making assumptions, at least make them logical and reasonable. and again, he speaks with developers, if they don't share it, how he could know them?
Lol bro in his comment he said he made assumptions about the fps and the dev corrected him and told him it's 90fps and 4k🤦‍♂️ also the TF range lol did you even read what he wrote?
 

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Am I the only one that thinks this seems far-fetched?
Also again with the teraflops, no definite numbers, just the idea that both of them are aiming upwards 12. So in the end Osiris cannot be wrong since he never told any numbers. I know I'll be piled on for this post but you seem to be bullshitting us and just enjoying the spotlight. I can't wait for the reveals so this finally ends.
Yeah you right .. he can't be wrong because he is smart , he can just say PS5 is 11 and XSX is 11.2 for example but no he won't and he can't say ( the exact ) even that 90fps may change at launch more or less but that doesn't mean Osiris is lying! .. every game in Development stage has various changes and you know that , teaser is different from the first trailer and the second trailer is either a better one or a downgrade.. so he may saw something that is really true but with time things changed and he cannot control it .. at least he gave a story not just a fucking numbers
 

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Lol bro in his comment he said he made assumptions about the fps and the dev corrected him and told him it's 90fps and 4k🤦‍♂️ also the TF range lol did you even read what he wrote?
you need to read his comment and mine after. obviously you did not understood what he wrote and i.
 

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90fps will be an issue if some low end TVs get released that will support 120hz but not VRR.
90fps on a fixed 120hz display will look choppy. so I hope they will implement a 60fps lock just to be save.

and yes I know that VRR is an HDMi 2.1 feature, that doesn't mean all TVs have to support VRR just like not all PC screens that use the latest DisplayPort standard support VRR
 

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They won't show you anything. No one will show you anything. As soon as the entire list of games and the consoles themselves are revealed, then you just forget about these people and they still do not show you anything, saying only "I hinted at you. Here in these code letters, or for example in vague extra letters
And so it will be every time. When you show them that you made a mistake, they will say that they did not mean it at all
Tommy Fisher is a Troll, and everyone knows it
The rest may know something, since the moderator did not ban them, but often it seems to me that they simply exaggerate their capabilities and information in order to seem better
Come on. None of them should make at least say a couple of names

None of these people will give away their friends like that, and because of questionable leaks, no companies will fire their people
It's tiring out there. 1000 pages of nothing and conjectures of people who know something, but nothing in fact and do not say, only vaguely describing what they saw, so that later it is convenient to bring under any name that will be similar..
 

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Osiris, tell us about the game Bluepoint
Just a name. At least this. You're saying that Xbox and their line-up are just " Kill it"
Therefore, you should know what's on Sony's side
What you should do. Just give it a name ? What do you say? Demon's Souls remake ?
What if it isn't?
 
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and how he could know definite numbers? it is not final GDK. if you are making assumptions, at least make them logical and reasonable. and again, he speaks with developers, if they don't share it, how he could know them?
But they could share it, but all the time we just get some vague info which may or may not be true so he cannot be held accountable in the end. And what about the first part of my comment? Do you think that's reasonable?
 

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I think people assume that the chips will all match, I think if some are 6x 1gb and 6x 2gb for example, it's very possible.
In general AMD's shader architecture requires an even number of memory controllers. And, you usually don't want to mix module densities (these won't behave the same in operation, denser modules are more latent). But both are rumored to be utilizing mixed memory modules. These are semi custom for a reason, so it's hard to say how it's done.

I was thinking maybe the control VM would take the 4x1GB on the MS side, but 6x1GB would seem like too much bandwidth to reserve on the Sony side.
 
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It just causes fatigue
People here at least something more, because Sony is playing his stupid game and does not even want to show a teaser of the event that they are preparing
Microsoft showed their video (which was really a new generation and awesome, not Baldur's Gate 3, which will look like a typical beautiful game of the current generation, which is now happening for example with Godfall, positioning itself as a new generation game, while being created for current consoles, but something went wrong), and then we have to breathe bubbles until mid-spring, when they will show us 80 percent of cross-games and 20 percent of this new generation, which will be released in three years
And you say it again when asked. "Soony"
Thanks. We've been hearing this for two or three months
soooony
Soooonyyyy
Soooonyyyyyyy
I don't want to blame anyone, just...
 
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A well-intentioned advice for everyone who wants to buy a new TV now.
At first, wait for the official reveal. Second, a good 4K OLED or QLED is a good choise, trust me.
mm idk


oled is great when you plan to buy a new tv in 3 or 4 years. Image retention, burn in, loss in brightness, constant fear of static images, lower overall brightness compared to lcd...

and for me the oversaturated colors of those qleds just feels unnatural for me.

since we are already taking about sony all the time: i like their master series led tvs (excpect the slow android tv)
 
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Am I the only one that thinks this seems far-fetched?
Also again with the teraflops, no definite numbers, just the idea that both of them are aiming upwards 12. So in the end Osiris cannot be wrong since he never told any numbers. I know I'll be piled on for this post but you seem to be bullshitting us and just enjoying the spotlight. I can't wait for the reveals so this finally ends.
 

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Thousand and one bottles of beer on the wall, thousand and one bottles of beer - take one down and pass it around, thousand bottles of beer on the wall!

Thousand bottles of beer on the wall, thousand bottles of beer...
 
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