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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

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ethomaz

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Carmack basically called MS's engineers incompetents lol


Unless "dedicated chip" means emulated via CUs lol
But that makes weird the use of dedicated chip.


Or it s just for BC?
 
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You're projecting.

We are discussing data and action, you're the one acting like a childish fanboy. Go cry in other threads.

"Take this with a grain of salt since we have no proof" are not "facts".

There is less evidence about Lockhart other than words, yet they made a nice viral? video about 4TF being "next gen".
Lol, y’all crazy😂
 

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Digital Foundry... the one's that MS decided to unveil Xbox One X with... the same ones that leaked PS4 Pro white papers months before Sony revealed it... the same company pushing the same agenda pushing Github and PS5 being Oberon...with no RT, 36 CUs, going as low as saying it's not RDNA 2, even after Cerny in April 2019 saying Hardware RT... and AMD confirming RDNA2 in PS5...
sound like a bunch of paid of shilling fucking cunts to me. Same bullshit since PS3. Same bullshit when there was no One X, glass always half full downplays disparity. But lo and behold the 2nd coming of Xbox when the One X was released, leadbetter's wet dream come true.
Their a bunch of shilling cunts. Pity Dark10X has to work there. He's the only one worth giving praise to.
Releasing a weak ass 4TF console that will hold back Series X and calling it a next-gen one is like pissing on your fanbase' face.
These have to be parody.

I blame the time change!
 

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AMDs presentation doesn’t have anything to do with that fact.
Except that it debunks the leaks when it says PS5 is Navi 2X while Oberon is Navi 10

There’s really nothing more for digital foundry to cover right now until Sony gives more info.
They could make a second video reviewing their assumptions once both are RDNA 2, how that could change what they said.
 

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eh, the question mark should tell you that they arent sure about it.

which tflops figure do you want them to go with? the one from osiris? or heisenberg? or odium? even jason and klee havent given any figures. that 9.2 tflops figure is the only one we have right now. as long as they put proper disclaimers, thats fine with me.

your beef should be with Sony brass who are ok with this fake information being spread around without any kind of denials. it should be with PS5 devs who refuse to call up DF and deny this figure even if they have to do it off the record anonymously. if not DF, call up Jason Schrier.

The fact of the matter is that its sony thats dragged its feet and has allowed these rumors to fester. if i was Cerny, i wouldve put a stop to this rumor immediately. a simple, no its not true wouldve been enough.
Off-Topic

Listen man, If you want to quote me to talk about what I have posted, perfect. But do not waste my time making me read your moral lessons about what I should beef or not.

On-Topic

You have stated the obvious so there is no point to comment you back since I have just said that they are pushing the PS5 9.2tf theory since day one, which it is pretty obvious by the way.
 
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The question here is will MS release mid gen refresh ? selling 3 different consoles will cost them a lot of money.

 
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The sooner this is updated the better, I think. 🤔
It is a news article it will never be updated...
:pie_thinking:

It will ever be what it is when it was wrote (2019年10月8日).
 
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The question here is will MS release mid gen refresh ? selling 3 different consoles will cost them a lot of money.

I think MS is doing just fine by making more than a console to every player .. I mean some wants only Digital.. some wants Power and some wants a smooth journey no need for that power

In that way you give everyone what they desire..
 

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Except that it debunks the leaks when it says PS5 is Navi 2X while Oberon is Navi 10



They could make a second video reviewing their assumptions once both are RDNA 2, how that could change what they said.
it doesn't debunk anything it just at least means that Oberon once was based on navi 10 but then got transitioned over to navi 2x
 

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Let's make the thread back to usual.


That is a old one already posted in GAF but let's share.

Oh c'mon those are complete garbage click bait websites... ignore them.
 

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The question here is will MS release mid gen refresh ? selling 3 different consoles will cost them a lot of money.

Bigger question is will anyone release a mid-gen refresh? Did those systems sell well enough to justify their existence? Would it be more profitable down the line to launch your skus at the start and enjoy the full benefits of the cycle cost reductions over time?

It really depends on whether or not MS or Sony view the mid-gens as a success.
 

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I think MS is doing just fine by making more than a console to every player .. I mean some wants only Digital.. some wants Power and some wants a smooth journey no need for that power

In that way you give everyone what they desire..
it's possible if they can control consoles output and supplies
 

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The xsx is going to be a 200-225w console because of RDNA2 power efficiencies and we know it's using an 8 shape power input.
 
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Man, look at these words, 'absolutely 100%'? I didn't know AMD/Sony made that announcement.
you know exactly that is it 100% certain.
you can't act like 2 additional modes that exactly match PS4 and pro specs are a coincidence.

that chip is real and made for sony and got multiple revisions until recently
 
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you know exactly that is it 100% certain.
you can't act like 2 additional modes that exactly math PS4 and pro specs are a coincidence.

that chip is real and made for sony and got multiple revisions until recently
No, I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows besides AMD, Sony and people under NDA and that's the point. If I make an assumption that Oberon is just BC testing, that's as valid as what you say, because we don't know.
 

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you know exactly that is it 100% certain.
you can't act like 2 additional modes that exactly math PS4 and pro specs are a coincidence.

that chip is real and made for sony and got multiple revisions until recently
man look at this burn.
 

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Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem is there a perfect UHD TV out there that has ALL of the following features:

Brightness of Micro-LED tvs (luminance in terms of nits. More the nits, the brighter the TV)
Darkness/BLack levels of OLED tvs (Umbrance measured in contrast ratio)
Color quality of QLED tvs (chroma measured in the color spectrum)
No, nothing perfect there.

Best picture quality/blacks: OLED's, but unreliable and need care and no to long sessions. Weaker HDR performance due to not meeting 1000-nits minimal requirement (Except Panasonic but it's shit for gaming).
Best brightness/HDR: Not sure, but the new TCL 8 and 6 series 2020 are brilliant and probably the best out there overall with decent blacks.
Color accuracy goes to Sony TV's.

My short list is:

-If you want OLED, then CX or C9.
-TCL 8-Series 8K and 6-Series 4K 2020 models.
-Sony XH90 (X900H) only for the moment that has rumors to support HDMI 2.1 properly for gaming.
-Samsung 8K lineup, but I'm not comfortable with their TV's as they are not produced directly in Korea here.
-Vizio 2020 lineup if you are in the US.

That's my short list, to me I'll pick probably TCL 8-Series 8K if the price is good, but I think I'll go for XH90 if I can turn off local dimming because it's shit for gaming no matter how they try to make it nice, I would sacrifice black levels for that.

This is my short list, all should have full HDMI 2.1 support especially VRR. I think TCL is the best overall, but I need Sony's color accuracy for video/photo editing at least.

Read more and wait for reviews as most of these are not out yet.
 

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Still over 110 million consoles vs 40 million xboxes. Doubt all the data centres would add up to the missing 70 million.
Welp… here is an article from 2017:

"The company's Azure platform has 38 regions with over 100 data centers and 12 million organizations in its user directory. Over 90% of its servers use designs it has contributed to the Open Compute Project
Open Compute Project

The Open Compute Project is an organization that shares designs of data center products among companies, including Facebook, IBM, Intel, Nokia, Google, Microsoft, Seagate Technology, Dell, Rackspace, Cisco, Goldman Sachs, Fidelity, Lenovo and Alibaba Group.
en.wikipedia.org
via its so-called Project Olympus."

 
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Except that it debunks the leaks when it says PS5 is Navi 2X while Oberon is Navi 10
No it doesn’t debunk anything.

Maybe ads some context.

Isn’t that what’s missing?



They could make a second video reviewing their assumptions once both are RDNA 2, how that could change what they said.
Simply being RDNA 2 doesn’t change anything DF has speculated about PS5. Especially since Sony is still silent.
 

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I just found a news from MS confirming Xbox Series X is RDNA.


"Powered by a custom-designed processor, leveraging the latest Zen 2 and Radeon RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD"

GitHub was right after all.
 
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WTF are you even talking about.

Please step away from the console war. Everybody isn’t in on that.
Is this some form of Reeeeverse psychology? Trying to co-opt innocence? You were the first one to drag that shit in here, like a damned clown.

You guys are reaching.

Anyone who doesn’t say “PlayStation is the best Xbox sucks” is a “Xbox fanboy” to you guys.
Kick rocks and go quote yourself.
 
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No it doesn’t debunk anything.

Maybe ads some context.

Isn’t that what’s missing?




Simply being RDNA 2 doesn’t change anything DF has speculated about PS5. Especially since Sony is still silent.
- Oberon = Navi 10 (GitHub leaks)
- PS5 = RDNA 2 = Navi 2X
- Navi 10 != Navi 2X
-> Oberon != PS5

I can't state it simpler than that. And if you're going to say that a supposed RDNA 2 Oberon is there, just not shown, then you're just abandoning the leaks and going into uncharted territory.
 

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Again this RDNA1 VS RDNA2 stuff is just pure fanboy nonsense.

Both chips are custom, both Sony and Microsoft have access to the same features. Doesn’t matter if AMD calls it RDNA237,000.

What matters are the features, and it’s already confirmed both will have dedicated RT hardware.

You guys are so consumed with wining whatever fanboy argument you are stuck on, that it makes it very difficult to have a general conversation about what the next gen console may bring.
 

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Which is a convenient image because you are indeed shitting up the thread with this crap.
Sorry, i just really don't like this 2 console strategy because it will hold back the power of Series X and i hope it doesn't affect PS5.
 
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- Oberon = Navi 10 (GitHub leaks)
- PS5 = RDNA 2 = Navi 2X
- Navi 10 != Navi 2X
-> Oberon != PS5

I can't state it simpler than that. And if you're going to say that a supposed RDNA 2 Oberon is there, just not shown, then you're just abandoning the leaks and going into uncharted territory.
The leaks are real, the specs are not final.

That’s it. That’s all anyone has said about them.

The “context” is everything else.

Sony is silent, so there isn’t much context on their side.
 

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Again this RDNA1 VS RDNA2 stuff is just pure fanboy nonsense.

Both chips are custom, both Sony and Microsoft have access to the same features. Doesn’t matter if AMD calls it RDNA237,000.

What matters are the features, and it’s already confirmed both will have dedicated RT hardware.

You guys are so consumed with wining whatever fanboy argument you are stuck on, that it makes it very difficult to have a general conversation about what the next gen console may bring.
You're projecting again.
 
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I thought is was strange for them to make that 9.2 video anyway. It was so not like them. They made it sound so sure while also trying to soften the blow with a "grain of salt". They definitely were the catalyst to the rumor.
Not the first time...do you remember 'grassgate'? I think it was a grass comparison in GTA V PS4 vs XO, where XO visuals had far less grass than PS4. It was pure silly fanboy fodder, but suddenly Richard Leadbetter came with an article out of nowhere doing damage control for Xbox. It was priceless.
 

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Not the first time...do you remember 'grassgate'? I think it was a grass comparison in GTA V PS4 vs XO, where XO visuals had far less grass than PS4. It was pure silly fanboy fodder, but suddenly Richard Leadbetter came with an article out of nowhere doing damage control for Xbox. It was priceless.
I do kind of remember that. It definitely was petty. I wonder what makes them do this?
 
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Will it indeed.

PLEASE, do continue?
I will quote you
If you can render a 1440p image, and have it look near indistinguishable from a 4k image, you just saved a THIRD in raw performance that can be used for other things.
Question. If some developers will make a great looking game 1440p on Series X (that looks near indistinguisable from q 4k image), how would this game run on a 4TF console ? 720 ?
 
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I just found a news from MS confirming Xbox Series X is RDNA.


"Powered by a custom-designed processor, leveraging the latest Zen 2 and Radeon RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD"

GitHub was right after all.
next generation RDNA architecture