• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

Tqaulity

Member
Oct 26, 2018
142
766
470
#1 Nvidia Titan RTX100TU1021350/1770 MHz24GB GDDR6280W
#2 Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti98.4TU1021350/1635 MHz11GB GDDR6260W
#3 Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super98.2TU1041650/1815 MHz8GB GDDR6250W
#4 Nvidia GeForce RTX 208096.1TU1041515/1800 MHz8GB GDDR6225W
#5 Nvidia Titan X96.0GP1021405/1480 MHz12GB GDDR5X250W
#6 Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (pie in the sky Sony bois)96.0GP1021480/1582 MHz11GB GDDR5X250W
#7 AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT95.8Navi 101605/1905 MHz8GB GDDR6225W
#8 Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 Super94.1TU1041605/1770 MHz8GB GDDR6215W
#9 AMD Radeon VII92.4Vega 201400/1750 MHz16GB HBM2300W
#10 AMD Radeon RX 570087.5Navi 101465/1725 MHz8GB GDDR6185W
#11 Nvidia GeForce RTX 207087.2TU1061410/1710 MHz8GB GDDR6185W
#12 Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super85.4TU1061470/1650 MHz8GB GDDR6175W
#13 AMD Radeon RX Vega 6484.4Vega 101274/1546 MHz8GB HBM2295W
#14 Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (my prediction)84.3GP1041607/1733 MHz8GB GDDR5X295W
#6 Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (pie in the sky Sony bois)

Pie in the sky huh? On what basis? Just that it's too hard for you to believe?

Let's recap:
  • [FACT] We know both consoles will be based on AMD new Navi architecture which is way more efficient than previous Radeon architectures but still not quite as efficient as Nvidia's Turing architecture.
  • [FACT] We also know that the next gen console will use some derivative of Navi that will feature hardware based Ray Tracing which does not exist on any AMD GPUs today. Thus, they will NOT be using a standard 5700/XT GPU
  • [FACT] In terms of timelines, AMD is set to reveal their next gen RDNA2 GPUs in less than 2 months at CES 2020. Meaning that those chips are already completely designed, taped out, and being manufactured as we speak
  • [FACT] The next gen consoles won't launch until late 2020, giving plenty of time to mass produce a new RDNA2 based custom GPU for them
  • The RDNA2 GPUs are said to be even more power efficient than the existing NAVI 5700 GPUs. How much we don't know, but if a 5700 base can outperform a GTX 1080 already with < 200W TDP, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the same amount of power can yield 1080TI level perf by end of next year
  • [FACT] The 9.7 TFLOPS 5700 XT (stock) is already within 10% of a 1080TI. To put that in perspective, that is a game running at 60fps on a 1080TI would run at ~55fps on a 5700XT (not really that big of a difference). If you get an overclocked version of the 5700 XT, you can essentially get within <5% of 1080TI is most games
  • [FACT] Multiple developer/insider leaks so far have all said the GPUs will be in the double digit TFLOP range of performance. The 5700XT is 9.7 TFLOPS so that essentially means we're looking at something above that
  • Next gen consoles will use a derivative of the newer Navi RDNA2 GPUs coming out next year w/ Ray Tracing support. Those GPUs are designed to fill in the higher end GPU segment (read: segments above the current 5700/5700XT)
  • CONCLUSION: if you put all the pieces together, we can at least say that the next gen console GPUs will be more powerful than the existing 5700/XT. If that is the case and we already can see that the existing 5700XT is very close to a 1080TI today, it is absolutely possible that the next gen console GPUs will be roughly on par with a GTX1080TI/RTX 2070 Super. In fact, one of the 2 manufacturers may even push a bit further and get to RTX 2080 level (which is only ~7% more power over a 1080TI).
If you know how hardware is produced and how GPU products trend and look at the facts, it is absolutely not a stretch to think that the next gen consoles will be beyond a standard GTX 1080 given that even the lower mid range Navi card of today already is. Not to mention that nearly every developer leak that has come out mentioned at least double digit TFLOP ratings for the dev kits. Again the 5700XT is <10TFLOPs so anything above and beyond that (the most common speculation puts it ~11-12TFLOPS) with AMD NAVI performance and efficiency will absolutely approach RTX 2070 Super/RTX2080 level performance.

I put out facts and logic. Does anyone who believes that the next generation console GPUs will be less powerful than the existing 5700/XT cards have any facts or evidence to support that notion?
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
Jun 11, 2018
5,815
15,321
655
i know economies of scale come into play, but even then the cost of a 2tb ssd drive will be too high and sony won’t bring out a console that makes a loss. Those days are gone.
I'm sure thy are open to a loss at launch just not heavy losses in the hundreds which was ps3. That is the lesson thy learned. Although I know ps4 and psvr were sold at a profit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Negotiator

pawel86ck

Banned
Jan 27, 2018
2,126
3,232
400
I'm on no team.

Btw, where are you guys getting this TF number from? Nvidia comparison or AMD?
RX 5700 benchmarks, so basically speaking facts anyone can check. On the other hand your GTX 1080 performance estimation is big unknown. Yes I know, you have friends all around the world in high places (maybe even president of the United States is your friend because you build rockets after all), but what if your friend has lied to you? Can you imagine what will happen when double digits TF will be finally confirmed? People here on neogaf will remember even one year from now what you wrote today and will consider you untrustworthy. Just yesterday we got another confirmation about double digits Navi in PS5, and 10TF navi should be around 1080ti performance, yet you say people are dreaming expecting 1080ti performance on PS5.
 
Last edited:

Negotiator

Member
Jun 28, 2011
4,676
1,480
885
i still can’t believe folks are still believing that the next gen consoles will only have 16GB! Guys that is ridiculous. In fact, I promise if either system only had 16GB, devs would riot against. It will literally be suicide for either company to do that.

I would love know what analysis you are referring to pointing to a next console designed to last through to 2025 and beyond to only have 4 more GB than a console released in 2017! Does that really make sense to anyone? While Sony not Microsoft have confirmed anything, most credible leaks that already has been proven to have some credible information has pointed to at least 24GB. You have no reason not to believe that will be the case? I’ll give you some.

Ok I keep saying this so real quick let’s recap: for the past 40 years almost, what has been the #1 requested hardware feature for video game developers working on a console? No not better CPUs, not better GPUs...It’s more memory! Every generation, the polls conducted by the console manufacturer say the same thing...the primary bottleneck that they run into by the end of a console generation is lack of RAM. Having sizeable RAM is the single most important feature to ensure the longevity of a console! This isn’t new guys, this has been the story for generations.

Again, if we look at the history of PlayStation specifically, EVERY SINGLE PLAYSTATION CONSOLE HAD SEEN A 16X INCREASE IN RAM from one generation to the next:
PS1 to PS2 = 2MB to 32MB (16X)
PS2 to PS3 = 32MB to 512MB (16X)
PS3 to PS4 = 512 MB to 8GB (16X)

Remember how Sony was initially targeting only 4GB for PS4 to which developers cried foul and they increased it at the last moment. Clearly that was a critical move that contributed to the success of the PS4 and people acted like they did something so unprecedented but all they did was make sure they kept the precedence established in the past.

So no, PS5 will not have 8GB x 16 = 128GB as that is clearly not feasible and would be excessive given the current standards. But I’ve said that 24GB, which is only a Measly 3x increase over current gen in and of itself, is the absolute minimum. Anything less and devs would be enraged and it will be commercial suicide. Again the Xbox One X already has 12GB. Most midrange laptops come with 16GB today. There is no way a console pushing cutting edge tech like 7nm Zen2, SSD,Ray-Tracing etc designed to last 5-7 years will be viable to support that business model with only 16GB (only a 2x increase from consoles released 7 years earlier!). That’s makes no sense.

I really want to know why folks insist on holding onto to the idea of 16GB in next gen? Even to go so far as to reject the rumors or leaks pointing to 24GB or higher. It contradicts every previous console generation, it contradicts all the leaks for the most part so far, and it defies all logic. Really why?
Just imagine if Sony initially wanted to have 16GB GDDR6, but at the very last minute they bump it up to 32GB... I would relish the ERA/GAF meltdowns. :goog_beaming_face:
 

Tqaulity

Member
Oct 26, 2018
142
766
470
Just imagine if Sony initially wanted to have 16GB GDDR6, but at the very last minute they bump it up to 32GB... I would relish the ERA/GAF meltdowns. :goog_beaming_face:
True :). I think 24GB is the target but I would not be surprised if at least 1 of the console manufactures pushed it to 32GB. I would however be completed shocked and disappointed if either settled on 16GB. But all indications point to that not being the case so I'm optimistic
 

FrostyJ93

Member
Jun 19, 2019
317
341
455
USA
I mean MS.has understood that while people love to play halo, gears, forza etc they realize people do not always prefer their hardware. Basically they want to treat users of a dofferent platform as what they are: paying customers.

So get used to this new "xbox as a service attitude." Sony won't take it as far but they're opening up to it as well. Expect a PS Now mobile app to launch next year I say.
 

Negotiator

Member
Jun 28, 2011
4,676
1,480
885
Mark your calendars:





I'm on no team.

Btw, where are you guys getting this TF number from? Nvidia comparison or AMD?
Sometimes I'm wondering what are you doing in this thread, since you're not interested in consoles (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's like a console-only user entering a PCMR thread just for drive-by posting...

LOL! You guys think this GPU is going to be ranked #6 of all-time fastest GPUs currently and sell for $500??? Where are you guys getting this shit from? You guys are wearing complete and utter rose-colored glasses!

You want 24G RAM main memory
You want 2T SSD NvMe
You want GTX 1080Ti or above
You want Ryzen CPU
You are getting a 100GB Bluray drive

All for $500?? Sign me up!
BoM cost:



We're not signing up PC-only users, especially when they justify price gouging. :)

Seriously, what's your agenda in a console-related thread? "Sony bois" and stuff like that seems like drive-by trolling to me.
 

FrostyJ93

Member
Jun 19, 2019
317
341
455
USA
Mark your calendars:






Sometimes I'm wondering what are you doing in this thread, since you're not interested in consoles (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's like a console-only user entering a PCMR thread just for drive-by posting...


BoM cost:



We're not signing up PC-only users, especially when they justify price gouging. :)

Seriously, what's your agenda in a console-related thread? "Sony bois" and stuff like that seems like drive-by trolling to me.
User also said Nov. 6th for scarlett, $500 for both.

Probable first/second party launch day games for both:

PS5: GT7, Horizon 2 or Demon Souls, Predator: Hunting Grounds, Ghost of Tsushima

Scarlett: Halo Infinite, Battletoads, AoE4, 2nd party publishing deal
 

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
I mean, according to your own list, even a cut down Navi 10; the 36CU 5700 is faster than a GTX1080? I don't understand your issue? If the consoles have a 10TF Navi card it will be more performant than the 5700XT assuming it has enough bandwidth. Unless you're suggesting that the Navi GPU in the PS5/Scarlett will be significantly underclocked and only computing 7TF peak?

That all aside, do you think the 5700XT be the 7th fastest graphics card in the world in 12 months from now? I mean the 5700XT is the 7th fastest right now, but it's still like 35% slower than a 2080ti. GPU market prices have been inflated for a while since the mining boom, so RRP is not relevant in the discussion for a console that is 12 months from release.
There are rumours of Nvidia's Ampere being headed by a 8000+ cuda core GA100 and 5-7000 cuda core GA102. There are also AMD's own Navi 2x GPUs to be released. By which point, the 2070S/5700XT performance bracket will have shifted down considerably.

Also all this stuff about RAM, SSD etc. Is not something I plan on believing, till I see it. But expecting a console to have performance around the level of a year-old mid-range GPU is not unfathomable to be quite honest.
The hardware is already made. You can't take what will come out and think they can turn around the hardware in short order. Their card was chosen long ago.
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
Jun 11, 2018
5,815
15,321
655
Mark your calendars:






Sometimes I'm wondering what are you doing in this thread, since you're not interested in consoles (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's like a console-only user entering a PCMR thread just for drive-by posting...


BoM cost:



We're not signing up PC-only users, especially when they justify price gouging. :)

Seriously, what's your agenda in a console-related thread? "Sony bois" and stuff like that seems like drive-by trolling to me.
Gran turismo 7 if true for launch has me happy asf and I cant wait bcus I know that'll be a graphical show piece and infinite replayability. 450 to 500 price I knew it would be and dropping in November yesssss I'm literally going to take off tht whole week anyway bcus of Thanksgiving.
 

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
#6 Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (pie in the sky Sony bois)

Pie in the sky huh? On what basis? Just that it's too hard for you to believe?

Let's recap:
  • [FACT] We know both consoles will be based on AMD new Navi architecture which is way more efficient than previous Radeon architectures but still not quite as efficient as Nvidia's Turing architecture.
  • [FACT] We also know that the next gen console will use some derivative of Navi that will feature hardware based Ray Tracing which does not exist on any AMD GPUs today. Thus, they will NOT be using a standard 5700/XT GPU
  • [FACT] In terms of timelines, AMD is set to reveal their next gen RDNA2 GPUs in less than 2 months at CES 2020. Meaning that those chips are already completely designed, taped out, and being manufactured as we speak
  • [FACT] The next gen consoles won't launch until late 2020, giving plenty of time to mass produce a new RDNA2 based custom GPU for them
  • The RDNA2 GPUs are said to be even more power efficient than the existing NAVI 5700 GPUs. How much we don't know, but if a 5700 base can outperform a GTX 1080 already with < 200W TDP, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the same amount of power can yield 1080TI level perf by end of next year
  • [FACT] The 9.7 TFLOPS 5700 XT (stock) is already within 10% of a 1080TI. To put that in perspective, that is a game running at 60fps on a 1080TI would run at ~55fps on a 5700XT (not really that big of a difference). If you get an overclocked version of the 5700 XT, you can essentially get within <5% of 1080TI is most games
  • [FACT] Multiple developer/insider leaks so far have all said the GPUs will be in the double digit TFLOP range of performance. The 5700XT is 9.7 TFLOPS so that essentially means we're looking at something above that
  • Next gen consoles will use a derivative of the newer Navi RDNA2 GPUs coming out next year w/ Ray Tracing support. Those GPUs are designed to fill in the higher end GPU segment (read: segments above the current 5700/5700XT)
  • CONCLUSION: if you put all the pieces together, we can at least say that the next gen console GPUs will be more powerful than the existing 5700/XT. If that is the case and we already can see that the existing 5700XT is very close to a 1080TI today, it is absolutely possible that the next gen console GPUs will be roughly on par with a GTX1080TI/RTX 2070 Super. In fact, one of the 2 manufacturers may even push a bit further and get to RTX 2080 level (which is only ~7% more power over a 1080TI).
If you know how hardware is produced and how GPU products trend and look at the facts, it is absolutely not a stretch to think that the next gen consoles will be beyond a standard GTX 1080 given that even the lower mid range Navi card of today already is. Not to mention that nearly every developer leak that has come out mentioned at least double digit TFLOP ratings for the dev kits. Again the 5700XT is <10TFLOPs so anything above and beyond that (the most common speculation puts it ~11-12TFLOPS) with AMD NAVI performance and efficiency will absolutely approach RTX 2070 Super/RTX2080 level performance.

I put out facts and logic. Does anyone who believes that the next generation console GPUs will be less powerful than the existing 5700/XT cards have any facts or evidence to support that notion?
It's NOT logical to think that AMD's GPU chip was only chosen early this year. That's your flaw. Take yourself back before the 5700XT and see what the choices were. Also, hardware ray-tracing has NEVER been described. It could be that the API/shader just implements ray-casting in hardware. That doesn't mean it has special chips like Turing. Anothing thing, even if it did, it would be even more expensive to have it equal the 5700XT. You guys are all trying to make guesses with what hasn't come out yet and basing your assumptions on the latest that comes out. The architecture for the PS5 has BEEN chosen a long time ago.
 

Kazekage1981

Member
Apr 7, 2019
1,025
1,942
390
Zen3 will most likely not make it in hardware specs am I rite? I mean, developers have alpha, beta, and gamma kits before the final development kits. So perhaps earlier development kits feature zen 2, rdna 1 with ray tracing, and the final hardware and development kit *might* feature zen 3 with rdna 2 with ray tracing?

I know, I know, they have planned and sealed the specs years in advance and is very unlikely...
 

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
RX 5700 benchmarks, so basically speaking facts anyone can check. On the other hand your GTX 1080 performance estimation is big unknown. Yes I know, you have friends all around the world in high places (maybe even president of the United States is your friend because you build rockets after all), but what if your friend has lied to you? Can you imagine what will happen when double digits TF will be finally confirmed? People here on neogaf will remember even one year from now what you wrote today and will consider you untrustworthy. Just yesterday we got another confirmation about double digits Navi in PS5, and 10TF navi should be around 1080ti performance, yet you say people are dreaming expecting 1080ti performance on PS5.
I don't care about everyone on here thinks. I'm not declaring myself the sooth-sayer. If I am told misinformation, so be it. All I know is that people went through this same exact thing before the PS4/Xbox came out and they all got butt hurt because the consoles weren't strong enough. It led to a mid-gen refresh. So if anything THEY let you down. Not me. If you got stung the first time, why are you putting so much hope into it not happening again? Your expectations are way too high. You gotta come down into reality on something! Everything can't be stellar in that box for $500.
 

bitbydeath

Member
Nov 25, 2015
13,015
20,564
1,200
I don't care about everyone on here thinks. I'm not declaring myself the sooth-sayer. If I am told misinformation, so be it. All I know is that people went through this same exact thing before the PS4/Xbox came out and they all got butt hurt because the consoles weren't strong enough. It led to a mid-gen refresh. So if anything THEY let you down. Not me. If you got stung the first time, why are you putting so much hope into it not happening again? Your expectations are way too high. You gotta come down into reality on something! Everything can't be stellar in that box for $500.
The problem is you keep spreading misinformation and getting corrected on it.
You should do a better job investigating before posting.

Eg. You didn’t even know about coding to the metal. That’s very common information in the console space.
 

nowhat

Member
Sep 18, 2017
3,931
5,921
625
I don't care about everyone on here thinks. I'm not declaring myself the sooth-sayer. If I am told misinformation, so be it. All I know is that people went through this same exact thing before the PS4/Xbox came out and they all got butt hurt because the consoles weren't strong enough. It led to a mid-gen refresh. So if anything THEY let you down. Not me. If you got stung the first time, why are you putting so much hope into it not happening again? Your expectations are way too high. You gotta come down into reality on something! Everything can't be stellar in that box for $500.
So wasn't Sony coming up with 8GB of GDDR5 something of a surprise this gen? That forced MS to include that funky ESRAM (which really didn't help to compensate having DDR3 otherwise)?
 

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
Stop pretending to be in the industry or have sources. You're a nobody dude. I like how you single out "Sony bois" when both systems will have over 10TF according to a real insider. Which banned xbox account are you?
If you ever read my imdb, you wouldn't be so snide. I do know a LOT of people in both industries. They overlap easily. And I know where I worked in the last 19yrs. I may be nobody to you. But I can guarantee you that I'd get an interview at any of these gaming companies.. it's just that simple. Sony bois are the only ones that think they are MASTER RACE console zealots and feel entitled to superior hardware/games. Sony is going to a game selling model. Get over it.
 

Kazekage1981

Member
Apr 7, 2019
1,025
1,942
390
Can there be some sort of ESRAM on top of GDDR6 to boost the bandwidth, so it can be close to HBM2-HBM3 levels? I dont know if it has ever been tried before
 

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
The problem is you keep spreading misinformation and getting corrected on it.
You should do a better job investigating before posting.

Eg. You didn’t even know about coding to the metal. That’s very common information in the console space.
I haven't been corrected on anything. And about coding to the metal? When all games are available for consoles and PC, you'll think about that comment. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Negotiator

Member
Jun 28, 2011
4,676
1,480
885
If you ever read my imdb, you wouldn't be so snide. I do know a LOT of people in both industries. They overlap easily. And I know where I worked in the last 19yrs. I may be nobody to you. But I can guarantee you that I'd get an interview at any of these gaming companies.. it's just that simple. Sony bois are the only ones that think they are MASTER RACE console zealots and feel entitled to superior hardware/games. Sony is going to a game selling model. Get over it.
 
Last edited:

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
I'm a fighter. I'll ALWAYS defend myself when attacked personally. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with superiority. More like confidence.
 

VFXVeteran

Industry Professional (Vetted)
Nov 5, 2019
3,808
7,742
685
All these attacks because Sony fans don't want to hear something more realistic than their speculations.. Wow, I like it!
 

henau212

Neo Member
May 30, 2019
32
15
110
So wasn't Sony coming up with 8GB of GDDR5 something of a surprise this gen? That forced MS to include that funky ESRAM (which really didn't help to compensate having DDR3 otherwise)?
Microsoft went the safe route for 8gb with DDR3. ESRAM was there to compensate some of the difference in speed. That was not directly forced by Sony's decisions. Sony got more or less lucky that higher density chips got available in masses. They took a gamble and made the right call in the end.
 
Last edited:

Negotiator

Member
Jun 28, 2011
4,676
1,480
885
Microsoft went the safe route for 8gb with DDR3. ESRAM was there to compensate some of the difference in speed. That was not directly forced by Sony's decisions. Sony got more or less lucky that higher density chips got available in masses. They took a gamble and won in the end.
Correct. 8GB GDDR5 was still a surprise though:


It's fun to read 2011 posts, isn't it? ;)

Plenty of 2-4GB lowballers... I wonder where are they now?
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Jul 17, 2004
5,733
2,406
1,695
User also said Nov. 6th for scarlett, $500 for both.

Probable first/second party launch day games for both:

PS5: GT7, Horizon 2 or Demon Souls, Predator: Hunting Grounds, Ghost of Tsushima

Scarlett: Halo Infinite, Battletoads, AoE4, 2nd party publishing deal
I question that source if they don't have a forza game for scarlet launch they skipped this year to be ready for fall 2020. Basically best case ever for Sony worse case ever for MS.
 

FrostyJ93

Member
Jun 19, 2019
317
341
455
USA
I question that source if they don't have a forza game for scarlet launch they skipped this year to be ready for fall 2020. Basically best case ever for Sony worse case ever for MS.
Klobrille implied no forza next year as well.
 

Tqaulity

Member
Oct 26, 2018
142
766
470
All these attacks because Sony fans don't want to hear something more realistic than their speculations.. Wow, I like it!
Ok I'll try this:

1. I don't know why you are calling out Sony fans boys when if you look at my posts I have consistently been talking about both next gen consoles. I never singled out Sony or the PS5. To be clear, both next gen consoles will have > 16GB or RAM and both will have GPUs more powerful than a GTX 1080 or 5700 (non-XT). You can book it
2. Regarding your post:
It's NOT logical to think that AMD's GPU chip was only chosen early this year. That's your flaw. Take yourself back before the 5700XT and see what the choices were. Also, hardware ray-tracing has NEVER been described. It could be that the API/shader just implements ray-casting in hardware. That doesn't mean it has special chips like Turing. Anothing thing, even if it did, it would be even more expensive to have it equal the 5700XT. You guys are all trying to make guesses with what hasn't come out yet and basing your assumptions on the latest that comes out. The architecture for the PS5 has BEEN chosen a long time ago.
If you have any idea how computer hardware is made and more specifically how video game hardware is developed than you would know (as I do) that I am not suggesting AMD's GPU chips were chosen this year. That's silly. In reality, Sony and Microsoft were meeting with AMD back in 2014 to scope out the next gen consoles and as part of that AMD shared their roadmap for the timeframe they were targeting to launch (2019-2020). Every year, AMD continued to provide updates to both of them on how their roadmap is trending and what hardware will be available in time for the console launches. In other words, WE may not know what is coming out next year exactly in terms of RDNA2 but Sony and Microsoft have know for YEARS. Not only that but their respective chips have already been finalized and are in the final stages of testing currently. All I was pointing out was those chips are targeting the latest and greatest that AMD can product in time for launch. The fact that we know AMD is releasing new GPUs in the same year of the new consoles with features that align with the confirmed information we have on the next gen console specs points to it being feasible that some derivative of those new GPUs are likely what will be included in the next gen boxes. Again, Sony and Microsoft have been developing this chip for years and at this point it's already finalized. We (the public) just don't know what it is...yet. But if you pay attention, you can deduce a lot from the products and information that is available today.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Jul 17, 2004
5,733
2,406
1,695
Klobrille implied no forza next year as well.
I don't believe we will go 3 years before a forza game. It won't get released anytime outside fall. I just don't see the scarlet showcase being held off until fall 2021 especially with a GT game out there. Just concede the generation if your only launching with 1 game. The 2 one is indy level other is PC game. The only games that MS has that remotely compete with Sony are the forza games one needs to be there launch day. Preferably horizon since that arguably surpassed GT in several areas playground is the premier MS development team right now.
 

Kazekage1981

Member
Apr 7, 2019
1,025
1,942
390
I think the differences between PS5 vs Scarlett in terms of RAW specs will be negligible. 5%-10% (unless by some miracle they make drastic upgrades to the already announced generalized specs). The main differences in consumers choosing a console of their choice will be (in no particular order):

1. Games, exclusive content
2. Services, ecosystem.
3. Secret Sauce-customizations, hardware and software specific functions

Point 1: I think Phil Spencer made it pretty clear, that Scarlett will not make the mistakes of the past, so this gives Microsoft a wonderful opportunity to reconcile its past (although Japan is a lost cause).
Point 2: I think the upcomming generation will make PS5 and Scarlett pretty neck to neck, and will not create the disparity and fragmentation of the current and past generation.
Point 3: 2020 will be a great year to be a gamer.
Point 4: I am saving up to buy both consoles and enjoy the best of both worlds.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bladed Thesis

MadYarpen

Member
Nov 12, 2015
1,333
487
595
Warsaw, Poland
Does anyone have an idea if G29 wheel would work with PS5? I'm thinking about buying one, but if it is only for my PC I'd rather wait for a new model compatibile with PS5 as well...
 

BattleScar

Member
Jul 29, 2016
804
1,799
425
The hardware is already made. You can't take what will come out and think they can turn around the hardware in short order. Their card was chosen long ago.
???????
I don't recall ever saying they could turn the hardware around in such short notice.
I'm just saying that expecting performance that exceeds a base GTX1080 based on current information, is not unreasonable.

Anyway, you say you have people in the know. So what are your expectations? We know that the consoles will have 8/16 Zen 2 cores/threads at a moderate clock for maximum power efficiency and all this will take up at most 70 square millimetres. So how big do you expect the GPU to be? How many compute units? How many shaders? What's the clockspeed?

Komachi_Ensaka; a well known and reliable dataminer, found evidence of a chip by the name of Oberon which had "backwards compatibility modes" at ~900MHz and ~1100MHz and another setting at 2000MHz. The former two conveniently matched exactly with the clocks of the base PS4 and PS4 Pro GPUs, respectively. Assuming previous datamining which implied console APUs being based on the 40CU Navi 10, would put the chips at a minimum of 9 TFLOPs (36 active CUs, for redundancy) all the way up to 10 TFLOPs. The former would easily outpace a GTX 1080, while the latter (assuming sufficient bandwidth) would get uncomfortably close to a 1080ti/2080 - maybe within 5-10%.

So what information do you have? What do you know the peak theoretical compute performance to be? How many CUs/how many FP32 shaders?
Surely your information must be more accurate and specific than what has been datamined so far...
 

MrRenegade

Report me if I continue to troll
Jul 1, 2016
184
105
355
I put out facts and logic. Does anyone who believes that the next generation console GPUs will be less powerful than the existing 5700/XT cards have any facts or evidence to support that notion?
Even John Carmack said multiple times back then that when a console gets its release, the PC GPUs are already much stronger. Consoles are around 1 generation behind current trends.
It will not be cutting edge tech. It will be an optimised behindgen thingy for consoles. It will be, because cutting edge is always risky. What if yields are shit? Well, that would kick the nextgen console supply in the balls. And nobody wants that.
 

MrRenegade

Report me if I continue to troll
Jul 1, 2016
184
105
355
I think the differences between PS5 vs Scarlett in terms of RAW specs will be negligible. 5%-10% (unless by some miracle they make drastic upgrades to the already announced generalized specs). The main differences in consumers choosing a console of their choice will be (in no particular order):

1. Games, exclusive content
2. Services, ecosystem.
3. Secret Sauce-customizations, hardware and software specific functions

Point 1: I think Phil Spencer made it pretty clear, that Scarlett will not make the mistakes of the past, so this gives Microsoft a wonderful opportunity to reconcile its past (although Japan is a lost cause).
Point 2: I think the upcomming generation will make PS5 and Scarlett pretty neck to neck, and will not create the disparity and fragmentation of the current and past generation.
Point 3: 2020 will be a great year to be a gamer.
Point 4: I am saving up to buy both consoles and enjoy the best of both worlds.
The difference was always negligible. People buy consoles because of good exclusive games. Everything else are just crumbs. Xbox is dead... died long ago. Management is shit @ MS and they have zero exclusives.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SynTha1

Red_Driver85

Member
Nov 19, 2019
247
1,169
325
Wait till 2020 when a lot of other announcements come crashing down since Team Guerrella and Team Kojima control Sony 1st party exclusives.. Death Stranding announcement on PC isn't a one-off.
Can I find out what this statement is based on? I often saw that you write something similar at every opportunity. Do you have any serious sources? Because, if not, it looks like naive fantasies from the depths of your smoking thoughts. Logically, it makes no sense for Sony to release their games from internal studios on a PC, they need to sell their platform and services - this is the main task. And no, Sony is not Microsoft, because for them Playstation is their main brand and their most profitable business. It is possible that some small games will appear, Dreams for example. Because such games can expand the community of people creating something unique. You say that times are changing. Yes, of course they are changing, and the dependence of platforms on content becomes even more obvious. And high-quality exclusive content is valued more strongly - this is what attracts the player, inciting to buy a console.