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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

FunkMiller

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Same, a PlayStation Fan since 1995. But you got to give credit where credit's due, MS has turned things around for the brand of Xbox. Compare them to where they were at the start of the current gen back in 2013 to where they are right now, it's a staggering improvement. Game Pass is insane value, they've got the most powerful console, their pricing for Series X is absolute steal. Only wish they didn't introduce a lower powered next gen sku
In a (better) parallel universe, Microsoft are releasing just the XBox Series X in November, with three first and second party launch games exclusive to the console, along with all the third party games running at their best capacity.
 

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Tonight is the night... I hope I can watch it after the event because I am working and I m gonna miss the live streaming, hopefully on the YouTube official channel
 
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Tonight is the night... I hope I can watch it after the event because I am working and I m gonna miss the live streaming, hopefully on the YouTube official channel
Yeah of course it'll be there don't worry. That's how I always watched them.

This time though I might watch it live since it's 6am here. I wake up around 6.30am anyway. Then head to work.
 
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Same, a PlayStation Fan since 1995. But you got to give credit where credit's due, MS has turned things around for the brand of Xbox. Compare them to where they were at the start of the current gen back in 2013 to where they are right now, it's a staggering improvement. Game Pass is insane value, they've got the most powerful console, their pricing for Series X is absolute steal. Only wish they didn't introduce a lower powered next gen sku
I dont see that from same standpoint. And on last get switch 360 were the most popular xbox, now they have "what is xbox?" situation and "80% of games in stores are for ps4"*

That they would have turned things around:

- still no advertising, I havent seen ANY xbox ads in years, while ps4/5 ads are running regular basis on many medias + stores

- still no system seller games, and games sell consoles

- lack of current gen support have left bad taste to many

- still too "American", buzzwords, lot of loud talk, American style payment plan deals, still halo+forza+gears dudebro combo as main seller

- Xsex is too expensive, official price seems to be now 509,90e, many places still have 590€ as pre-order price. If/when PS5 standard will be 499€ = DOA xsex

- Xses is too expensive, official price is 309,90e and if/when PS5 DE is 399e, it is too close to turn people from "the game console" to non-existent brand which doesnt have fans.

- I checked gamepass, 12.99e / month. I checked games. Not many interesting ones at the moment. So value isnt that good.

- From long time ps4 gamer standpoint it doesnt have much value because XBOX DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH EXCLUSIVES. Like, I already have most of those games + 7-8 years of ps+ have given me even bigger library of old games, kind of similar what gamepass offers but ps+ is 3.75-4.5€/month. (12 months is 35-45e on many sales during the year and even full price is 59e)

- assuming 12.99e - 4e = leaves 8-9e month after ps+, that is 12 to 6 games / year when buying from sales or used ones. Or few full priced ones

- Xbox user base is tiny, assuming that xbox have sold 30-40 million in US as it is the biggest area, it leaves around 25-35 million outside of US, while PS4 have maybe 65-85 million users outside of US

My point is, that I would argue that majority of long time Playstation gamers will continue like that, so to them xbox is too expensive + gamepass is too expensive. And to get it as 2nd system, they would need more exclusives or be cheaper. Xses doesnt have disc drive so it removes the option to buy really cheap physical games.

To new gamers it may offer better deal, but outside of US xbox is so weak that I find it unlikely that people would get xbox instead of ps4 or ps5


This "netflix for gaming" is kind of like real netflix, it does offer lot of stuff, but it would be cheaper / similar to buy those few movies/series invividually, specially outside of US where netflix offers tiny amount of stuff compared to US.

Having multiple subscriptions isnt feasible to many people, financially or it just feels like waste of money as there is limited to to enjoy from it.

So, main audience of xsex/xses could be non-playstation gamers that play a lot and are willing to pay for high monthly fees. = smaller group than normal gamers.

Then there are "fifa gamers", that buy only 1-2 games / year. so to them gamepass isnt good deal. better to buy that one game / year and pay for online, if they really play only 1 game.


My end point is that even if Xbox would do everything right, it would still be really really difficult to even tie up with PS5 sales. My guess is kind of 50/50, either Xses helps to sell better than current gen, but still loses clearly to ps5, or lack of exclusives + brand loyalty makes next gen even worse to them. But 0% chance that they would come even close to ps5 globally

* from European standpoint
 

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I’m not quite sure I understand how you’re a journalist in the gaming industry and you don’t have even slightly thicker skin.. Looking at the responses to his tweets, nothing has been remotely terrible in comparison to the usual Twitter rhetoric. It’s pretty clear he’s starved for attention from his initial Summer “Leaks” 15 minutes of fame and now is throwing a tantrum. And to say “They both don’t have games” before Sony’s event today is really quite comical 😂
 

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- Xsex is too expensive, official price seems to be now 509,90e, many places still have 590€ as pre-order price. If/when PS5 standard will be 499€ = DOA xsex

- Xses is too expensive, official price is 309,90e and if/when PS5 DE is 399e, it is too close to turn people from "the game console" to non-existent brand which doesnt have fans.
Aren't the prices supposed to be 299 euros and 499 euros?
Where are the 309 and 509 / 590 prices coming from?
 

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I am not a big believer of exclusive games sell consoles to the masses. Maybe on Gaf, but we tend to forget a majority of the game playing world doesn't have a job yet.
You might be surprised ... https://techjury.net/blog/video-game-demographics/#gref

8. 72% of gamers are 18 or older.
(Source: Statista)

Furthermore, the group aged 18-35 apparently plays the most, considering 29% of gamers belong there.

It’s amazing to see how many adults over 35 actually play video games. 43% of gamers in 2018 fell in that group. 20% of the overall number were between 36-49 while 23% were 50 or older.
 

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Yep. Out of the big four Megadeth are the most technically talented. Take just one of Friedman's solos from Rust and it blows everything else out the water. And Mustaine writes riffs like solos. Face ripping. I listen to em when Spence dog needs to feel it a bit harder and faster. 🔥 😍
Personally, as much as I love R.I.P. Marty and Nick Menza...I'm a sucker for Chris Poland and Gar Samuelson on the first 2 albums.
 

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Good night brother! Go dream up a couple of PS5s while you're at it, because I've decided to hold off a few months to see if there are any major hardware issues with that 2.23 Ghz GPU running so high, and the exotic liquid-metal Sony may be using to keep it cool. You don't want that generated heat to compromise the liquid-metal compartment.
Honestly, the only failures I had were like 2 with PS1 (pirated laser) and PS3 at late 2013 just before PS4 release, but fixed and kids still playing with it.

I'm going for a leap of faith, I have been always happy with Sony products (consoles, sound systems, tv's, headsets/headphones, cameras, camcorders), and might go the extra mile and buy their car if it goes to production.:messenger_smiling_hearts:

I would replace it if it's "that" bad, but I doubt it, Sony this time around is extremely serious with their quality control.
 
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Aren't the prices supposed to be 299 euros and 499 euros?
Where are the 309 and 509 / 590 prices coming from?
didn't you read the entire thing he wrote?
he tries to explain in his own words how xbox will be a failure
*from a european standpoint :messenger_beaming:

the only fact is that in europe all big stores 100% stick to microsoft recommended price.
and for those of you that don't know, prices on european stores all are with taxes included.
the same will be for playstation 5. should sony say 399, that would be 399 final price with taxes included.
 
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"The Invincible" only claims to run on Series X. Some people are saying if it runs on X it runs on S by default, like they're that analogous. But... I've also seen people argue the S won't hold next-gen back because third party devs won't be forced to make games for it. But... I see people saying Microsoft won't certify a game for X unless it can run on the S... man my head hurts... is it just the naming conventions being too confusing, was the announcement for what the game plays on planned before the S reveal? Does Series X just look sexier than saying XBOX Family? But the real question, if you were buying an S... wouldn't you want to know FOR SURE games were supporting it?
Your concern is much appreciated. why don't you ask them at their twitter right below their announcement?
I am sure they will set the record straight.
 

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Goodmorning agent fishy :messenger_beaming:
I'll be a little busy as I am rounding up some infos about what is happening in a specific factory in China right now, and more importantly how the corpo decides to handle it.

Can't say more right now, but here is a scoop just for you:

Oh great, you're an insider now, with insider knowledge about the PS5 manufacturing process, and you know that it's going to explode like the infamous Galaxy Note 7.
You should take the advice from the GIF, please disperse and stop spreading FUD.
 

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A history lesson about the art of FUD:

FUD is an acronym for fear, uncertainty and doubt. It is a marketing term that is often used to cast a shadow over a competitor's product when your own is unable to compete. FUD is a technique used by larger companies who have a large market share. The FUD acronym was first freely defined by Gene Amdahl after he left IBM to found his own company, Amdahl Corp, with this statement: "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Amdahl products."

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From the 1990s onward the term became most often associated with Microsoft. Roger Irwin said:[10]

Microsoft soon picked up the art of FUD from IBM, and throughout the '80s used FUD as a primary marketing tool, much as IBM had in the previous decade. They ended up out FUD-ing IBM themselves during the OS/2 vs Win3.1 years.

 
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Oh great, you're an insider now, with insider knowledge about the PS5 manufacturing process, and you know that it's going to explode like the infamous Galaxy Note 7.
You should take the advice from the GIF, please disperse and stop spreading FUD.
:messenger_tears_of_joy:
I can not comment specifics on what you say just yet.
But lets just say that the easiest way to resolute these problems is to be veeery "dynamic"
 
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Personally, as much as I love R.I.P. Marty and Nick Menza...I'm a sucker for Chris Poland and Gar Samuelson on the first 2 albums.
"No one could touch us at what we did." - Chris Poland.

Yeah all of that jazz fusion mixed with thrash (and a whole manner of drugs 😂) produced some truly special stuff. Peace Sells is a masterpiece. Devil's Island bebe. 🔥
 
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I can not comment specifics on what you say just yet.
But lets just say that the easiest way to resolute these problems is to be veeery "dynamic"
So you gave up on the chip yield FUD, try dynamic clocks again maybe ? Whats the next FUD from the great FUD shark attack.

Shame we dont have anything to discuss about XSX yet, I guess that only leaves ps5 speculation.

I tell you what, you come up with some ps5 FUD and i will out FUD you on XSX, deal ?

At least it gives us a laugh.
 
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YoodlePro

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I can not comment specifics on what you say just yet.
But lets just say that the easiest way to resolute these problems is to be veeery "dynamic"
Honestly mate, why do you keep trying with this, you're just trolling now.
You clearly have no information and are making it up. Funny that only people with strong Xbox affiliations have this super secret classified information about the state of Sony's machine.

The same super secret information you all had on RDNA 1vs2, on overheating problems and so on, which all turned out to be fake.

Get a grip man.
 

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Honestly mate, why do you keep trying with this, you're just trolling now.
You clearly have no information and are making it up. Funny that only people with strong Xbox affiliations have this super secret classified information about the state of Sony's machine.

The same super secret information you all had on RDNA 1vs2, on overheating problems and so on, which all turned out to be fake.

Get a grip man.
Its getting desperate, nothing to show, so FUD shard attack is only option.

You would think with MS money 1 third party would show them something nice on XSX to show off...?
 

YoodlePro

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Its getting desperate, nothing to show, so FUD shard attack is only option.

You would think with MS money 1 third party would show them something nice on XSX to show off...?
Exactly!

The silence is deafening at this point. And I think some can't handle it anymore and when cornered they pull out the old "Oh yeah? Well yours is worse, I know it! Just you wait! *clutches pearls*"
 

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So you gave up on the chip yield FUD, try dynamic clocks again maybe ? Whats the next FUD from the great FUD shark attack.

Shame we dont have anything to discuss about XSX yet, I guess that only leaves ps5 speculation.

I tell you what, you come up with some ps5 FUD and i will out FUD you on XSX, deal ?

At least it gives us a laugh.
Shark is so dumb its funny.
He deserves the double selfie of him


 
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"No one could touch us at what we did." - Chris Poland.

Yeah all of that jazz fusion mixed with thrash (and a whole manner of drugs 😂) produced some truly special stuff. Peace Sells is a masterpiece. Devil's Island bebe. 🔥
Good Mourning!

Genuinely, Chris and Gar and along with Cliff Burton are 3 of thrash metals most creative musical geniuses. Those 3 gave metal so much more musicality from Jazz and Classical that barely any others compare to them at their creative peaks.
 
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A history lesson about the art of FUD:

FUD is an acronym for fear, uncertainty and doubt. It is a marketing term that is often used to cast a shadow over a competitor's product when your own is unable to compete. FUD is a technique used by larger companies who have a large market share. The FUD acronym was first freely defined by Gene Amdahl after he left IBM to found his own company, Amdahl Corp, with this statement: "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Amdahl products."

.

From the 1990s onward the term became most often associated with Microsoft. Roger Irwin said:[10]

Microsoft soon picked up the art of FUD from IBM, and throughout the '80s used FUD as a primary marketing tool, much as IBM had in the previous decade. They ended up out FUD-ing IBM themselves during the OS/2 vs Win3.1 years.

They continued spreading it throughout the 90s and 2000s with FUD against any open source and/or cloud based software. Then miraculously they change their tune once they catch up and figure out how to monetise the technology themselves. They prey on the ignorant and in that respect have for many years been the anti-vaxers of the tech industry.
 
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So you gave up on the chip yield FUD, try dynamic clocks again maybe ? Whats the next FUD from the great FUD shark attack.

Shame we dont have anything to discuss about XSX yet, I guess that only leaves ps5 speculation.

I tell you what, you come up with some ps5 FUD and i will out FUD you on XSX, deal ?

At least it gives us a laugh.
:messenger_tears_of_joy:
I have you on ignore since when you cursed at me, but I will give you an answer just because it was I who have laughed a lot since yesterday with your "expert" opinions on fab. I never commented on them, but since you are directly quoting me and accusing me once more, here you go:

next time, before you present you "expert" opinion on fabrication process, you might want to open a book and do a read-up on physical and parametric yields, and especially for the second what are the major reasons that affect them.

and I suggest you really should do some reading, because you have some people in here believing that you are some kind of knowledgeable person about the things you comment on.

I won't be more detailed than this, and as I said I wouldnt have even commented on the hilarious things you wrote, but it seems you are asking for it :messenger_tears_of_joy:


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also my "cryptic" message that you commented on is not about dynamic clocks. in fact its not so cryptic either, so I am sure that if you read it a couple more times you will understand better
 
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I have you on ignore since when you cursed at me, but I will give you an answer just because it was I who have laughed a lot since yesterday with your "expert" opinions on fab. I never commented on them, but since you are directly quoting me and accusing me once more, here you go:

next time, before you present you "expert" opinion on fabrication process, you might want to open a book and do a read-up on physical and parametric yields, and especially for the second what are the major reasons that affect them.

and I suggest you really should do some reading, because you have some people in here believing that you are some kind of knowledgeable person about the things you comment on.

I won't be more detailed than this, and as I said I wouldnt have even commented on the hilarious things you wrote, but it seems you are asking for it :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I work in the sector, and not as a janitor, and in past taken apart the old MC6800 layer by layer to see why they fail. So whatever.

I read semi papers every day, but not the ones you read.

I also had you on ignore, as yet to read anything correct or meaningful from you other than mindless FUD, just fancied a laugh.
 
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