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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread

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I had all the Playstations, but with this news I am tending to skip PS5 ( I play on PC too). There are so many games coming that I can just wait for the PS5 exclusives to come to PC eventually. But lets wait and see. Maybe there are some killer features on the PS5 that makes it still worth buying for me.
 
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Maybe a new Resident Evil game (Resident Evil 8) featuring Leon S. Kennedy with the best graphics ever from CAPCOM, because what you described that the 'The main character is impossible to confuse with anyone else ' so I see that Leon is the best bit, maybe I'm wrong.
There are many video game characters which are immediately recognizable.

Dusk Golem said that re8 is still way off and Capcon doesn't do the reveal years before the game's out shit anymore.

I doubt it'll be re8
 
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What has any of this got to do with what I originally wrote? You're just stating the bleeding obvious '7nm production is much more expensive than previous iterations'. No shit, how about rebutting the points I made earlier?

You pigeon-holed on 7nm wafer costs, when that isn't even in contention here. I'm sure MS and Sony know full well how expensive the tech is. My point was and is about 'yields'. You stated smaller size = better yields and I showed you why that wouldn't be the case as there are several factors at play which dictate the yields. If Sony are going for absurdly high 1.8-2.0GHz clocks with realistic TDP the yields would be significantly poorer than a bigger GPU clocked lower. And no, 10% lower TDP wouldn't magically be a game changer. A 5700XT at its peak clock draws 227W of power. 10% reduction gets you at ~200W mark but that is a GPU clocked at 1905MHz, now imagine what would happen at 2.0GHz?

Also keep in mind these power curves don't apply the same way for console chip, that 5700XT is a very high quality piece of silicon, the same chip is used in 5700 but carefully hand picked for 5700XT because of its higher quality nature. Expecting a console binned chip such as in PS5 or Series X to perform on same level as 5700XT is lunacy as they will never have as good as thermals and power draw.



36CU@1.8GHz is still way too high. Its equivalent would be 5700 which has 36CUs@1.625GHz. How are Sony gonna squeeze out 175MHz-375MHz more speed out of it without destroying power curve and fucking over their yields?

I'm gonna summarize once again in hope you get it, if you continue to be deliberately obtuse about it and post some more irrelevant stuff then don't reply.

Even if I agree with you, that going narrow and fast has some merit. It has to be under some realms of practicality. Consoles are generally underclocked compared to their PC counterparts because the mantra has always been about efficiency in power, performance, thermal and cost. Now let's assume that Sony decided to push the envelope and asked AMD to sandwich their GPU between 5700 and 5700XT @1.8GHz. The silicon required to fit into that wouldn't be as high quality as a 5700XT. But what would happen to those chips which have 36CUs but can't hit 1.8GHz? Or if they have 36 active CUs but can't hit 1.8GHz without going past ~200W? What would Sony do with these binned chips? Throw them away?

This is where your entire argument breaks down, if Sony has a limited supply of 7nm wafer sheets then it DOESN'T make sense for them to design an APU in ~300-325mm2 territory, when in order to achieve those targets they have to clock their GPU at 1.8-2.0GHz while maintaining the power curve. All those precious $ they're trying to save on wafer sheets to the tune of 50-70mm2 would backfire because yields will be incredibly poor which means more precious wafer sheets wasted which means limiting supply, and in the end will cost them more money to make their APU.

MS aren't stupid when their Series X SoC is that big, they are facing the same hurdles as Sony do as far as production is concerned. They could've gone 'narrow and fast' but didn't because its just more costly and inefficient even on a 'more mature N7P node'. Wide and slow is what MS went with, and is very likely the way Sony is heading too. Github leak while being legit lacks context, don't take it as gospel. My interpretation is, that it is a very early dev-kit Sony made to allow their developers to learn the tools and have games ready for PS5 launch. I don't know anything about what their targeted performance is, it could be 9.2TF, or 10.4TF or higher. My point is the final retail PS5 will achieve those targeted performance by having a GPU which is NOT clocked @1.8-2.0GHz. It'll be done by a bigger NAVI at lower clock speeds.
Man, keep saying that I believe Big Navi is for both Sony and MS. I hate that damn github leak. It really just made everyone crazy. Even DF has moved on from it seemingly to avoid anymore speculation.
 
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I think we are at the point now of creating a similar thread to the famous "next gen prediction thread" of 2012 were everyone predicted the death of Sony.

We should do it now because it seems like the time is right and the usual suspect started to emerge again.

And, I want to laugh at how wrong they were come 2026 when PS5 pass 100m units 🤣
prediction thread would be cool. Here are my musings:

  • Past != future, as ps2 to ps3, 360 to x1, and wii to wiiu have shown.
  • 2012 did not have a well managed, cash rich xbox; laser focused Nintendo with appealing hardware; or upstart Stadia. 2012 was a time of pessimism and retrenchment.
  • Nintendo and xbox have stable, smart leadership. Sony is a ? , because of the internal shakeups. Maybe Ryan and team are visionary masters, maybe not.
  • Sony fan engagement, PR, and brand management is currently dreadful.

so, if i had to bet on console market share in 2027, i can see it being Nintendo at 40%, MS at 35%, and Sony at 25%. this is based on:

  • Nintendo has the most valuable ip in gaming and has a hardware strategy that no other company is pursuing.
  • xbox looks to have the best management and is receiving huge support from Microsoft proper in a bid to gain marketahare.
  • Sony has the huge success of the ps4 to help them with the launch of the ps5 as well as some solid studios. Too many unknowns to think they will replicate ps4 success though.

So no one is going to die, but Sony will face real competition. There will be no wii u, no kinnect hobbled X1, no Don Mattrick to help launch PS5.
 

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There is no estimation. target specs: SeX: 12+, PS5: 13+


This kind of bullshit is why i wont post anything next-gen related in this thread anymore.
Are you a real insider like Jason Schreier, Matt and Kleegamefan? Because all I see is you is spewing stuff but you get vetted or verified by Mod of War Mod of War so I do not believe anything you say until you get vetted.
 

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Wasn't that already confirmed?
I actually think it's the opposite. I recall reading recently that CDPR have not even looked into PS5/XboxSeX yet. I may be mistaken about that though. I'll try find a source.

WCCFTech
(Not the other source I saw, but same idea)
 
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Hmm 1917 . Ready at dawn clues before. I m assuming sequel to 1886??
1917 is about the ww1 movie? I'm lost here, does it have something to do with 1886?





MS is killing it .... literally. This is the most excited I have been for a MS console ever and I have owned them all but if half of this shit is shown, MS E3 is going to be hard to beat.

everyone is worried about specs and I am telling you this will be the best games arms race since Nintendo vs Sega. I cannot fucking wait. And with that I'm off to work.
Sorry but, if you are hinting there to the new Resy 8 and Superman game, i don't think that buying timed or full exclusivity of a bunch of otherwise multiplat games, is really killing it!... Imo that's the easy way to go, and/or a necessity _ a indication their first party is not ready, or that wouldn't be sufficient.
In the end, this is just the same sad old shit, that every new generation carries with it... the new SFVs, Titanfalls and Tomb Riders of our lives. For some it's not a big deal, for others who can only afford one system, it's a shity situation.

Zombie game is likely State of Decay 3 that Microsoft confirmed to be in development long time ago.
I don't think so. Osiris hinted to take down a number, so either is Resident Evil 8 or something 2
 
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prediction thread would be cool. Here are my musings:

  • Past != future, as ps2 to ps3, 360 to x1, and wii to wiiu have shown.
  • 2012 did not have a well managed, cash rich xbox; laser focused Nintendo with appealing hardware; or upstart Stadia. 2012 was a time of pessimism and retrenchment.
  • Nintendo and xbox have stable, smart leadership. Sony is a ? , because of the internal shakeups. Maybe Ryan and team are visionary masters, maybe not.
  • Sony fan engagement, PR, and brand management is currently dreadful.

so, if i had to bet on console market share in 2027, i can see it being Nintendo at 40%, MS at 35%, and Sony at 25%. this is based on:

  • Nintendo has the most valuable ip in gaming and has a hardware strategy that no other company is pursuing.
  • xbox looks to have the best management and is receiving huge support from Microsoft proper in a bid to gain marketahare.
  • Sony has the huge success of the ps4 to help them with the launch of the ps5 as well as some solid studios. Too many unknowns to think they will replicate ps4 success though.

So no one is going to die, but Sony will face real competition. There will be no wii u, no kinnect hobbled X1, no Don Mattrick to help launch PS5.
You really think Sony is going to let it drop to 25% when they currently have a >60% market share right now? I am not saying it won't a bit drop this next gen, but I in no way see Nintendo taking over in this...

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/console/worldwide/#monthly-201812-201912-bar


 
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yes (sort of just this one is Ancient) but its not the creature in the video you all have been posting, it carries a curse that you can be AFFLICTED with.
Waaait a minute ...

It is an ancient version of an insect-like monster whose current version has been encounteted in the IP.

That ... doesn't sound like a Lycan at ALL.

... it's not The Order.
 

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Man walks into a dimly lit room, light bleeds across the room from a shoulder mounted communication device. It is the most light in the scene. There is a light mist and sparks spew from a torn electrical wire tossing light and particles around as the man cautiously makes his way across the room. His boots leave prints as he walks across the polished floors the dim light showing his reflection in the floor. The wire behind him cracks and slows as it comes to a stop along with all of the other lights in the room shutting off at the same time. The man covers the device on his shoulder but the light bleeds through his hand. The man pulls a firearm and continues making his way through this large sterile room. A noise behind him and he turns around removing his hand from the device at his shoulder and revealing himself to everyone. The light illuminates the room and a table he had walked past has been knocked over. The table cloth is still slowly settling on the floor along with all of the other things from the table that have been strewn about. Off in the distance a pair of yellow eyes open and fix on the man. (You will know who he is but I cannot say) he raises his fire arm and fires off several shots. The flash from the gun illuminating the darkness as the creature reels then attacks. Another set of eyes opens as it runs across the room at him. You can see the impact of the weapon punching holes in this thing as it makes its way across the room. The man backpedals and falls down (Monster is right on top of him at this point) over something as he is trying to get away. He fires off a few more shots while on his back and scampers to his feet. The monster still chasing he makes his way into the next room and slams the door behind him. You hear a series of clicks and other weird noises coming through the door. The man leans up against it and you hear a deep inhalation come from the other side of the door like the creature is sniffing around for his scent. The man is breathing heavily and removes one hand from the door and clutches his side, blood is running down his side and his pant leg and pooling under the door. Last shot is the creature kneeling on the other side of the door putting one hand to the blood (creature has four arms) then smelling it. "I have found you." He almost sings the words then the title screen shows and that's it.

Lets see if anyone else can get this detailed. It is the best looking anything that I have ever seen and the character models lighting and physics are on another level. The main character is impossible to confuse with anyone else and this game has not been revealed but I have hinted at it several times. This is not a cut scene or a render target it is actual game play and it is very impressive. Well the end is a cut scene but man ..... You literally cannot tell the difference and Yes



This was definitely all one shot.

Edited to add: I was just given the go ahead to post this and it is from an early vertical slice that I did get to see.
And before anyone asks No I cannot describe what the man is wearing because it would be a dead giveaway.
Man walks into room. Sees Xbox more powerful than ps5z. Walks out crying
 

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1917 is about the ww1 movie? I'm lost here, does it have something to do with 1886?


Sorry but, if you are hinting there to the new Resy 8 and Superman game, i don't think that buying timed or full exclusivity of a bunch of otherwise multiplat games, is really killing it!... Imo that's the easy way to go, and/or a necessity _ a indication their first party is not ready, wouldn't be sufficient?
In the end, this is just the same sad old shit, that every new generation carries with it... the new SFVs, Titanfalls and Tomb Riders of our lives. For some it's not a big deal, for others who can only afford one system, it's a shity situation.


I don't think so. Osiris hinted to take down a number, so either is Resident Evil 8 or something 2
it is a little bit shitty, but that's how it goes. at least m$ is trying to do something, sony? not so much, for the last 1-1,5 years, they are living on the old managements glory. new management has no clue what they are doing. Jim Ryan looks like retarded and gave a lot of interview which were dreadful, the man has no clue. let see what playstation meeting going to show us and upcoming month.
 

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Again MS is Killing it, saying they will have no exclusive games is kind of ridiculous. Some will be on PC but they wont be on PS5, I think that is the definition of a console exclusive.
I would hope so. There has been a drought for years, so it is due time to have a bunch of exclusive games with a new box.
 
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Man walks into a dimly lit room, light bleeds across the room from a shoulder mounted communication device.His boots leave prints as he walks across the polished floors the dim light showing his reflection in the floor. The man leans up against it and you hear a deep inhalation come from the other side of the door like the creature is sniffing around for his scent. The man is breathing heavily and removes one hand from the door and clutches his side, blood is running down his side and his pant leg and pooling under the door. Last shot is the creature kneeling on the other side of the door putting one hand to the blood (creature has four arms) then smelling it. "I have found you." He almost sings the words then the title screen shows and that's it.
How can it be any other game?
 

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I don't think so. Osiris hinted to take down a number, so either is Resident Evil 8 or something 2
Dead Island 2? If it isn't again in development hell, i can even see it being an exclusive. Alternatively, considering the previous rumor of a game that has been showed becoming an exclusive, Dying Light 2.
 
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Insect type creatures makes me think a new Dead Space? What hes wearing could be a giveaway. I would love a new next gen Dead Space title.
 
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Man walks into a dimly lit room, light bleeds across the room from a shoulder mounted communication device. It is the most light in the scene. There is a light mist and sparks spew from a torn electrical wire tossing light and particles around as the man cautiously makes his way across the room. His boots leave prints as he walks across the polished floors the dim light showing his reflection in the floor. The wire behind him cracks and slows as it comes to a stop along with all of the other lights in the room shutting off at the same time. The man covers the device on his shoulder but the light bleeds through his hand. The man pulls a firearm and continues making his way through this large sterile room. A noise behind him and he turns around removing his hand from the device at his shoulder and revealing himself to everyone. The light illuminates the room and a table he had walked past has been knocked over. The table cloth is still slowly settling on the floor along with all of the other things from the table that have been strewn about. Off in the distance a pair of yellow eyes open and fix on the man. (You will know who he is but I cannot say) he raises his fire arm and fires off several shots. The flash from the gun illuminating the darkness as the creature reels then attacks. Another set of eyes opens as it runs across the room at him. You can see the impact of the weapon punching holes in this thing as it makes its way across the room. The man backpedals and falls down (Monster is right on top of him at this point) over something as he is trying to get away. He fires off a few more shots while on his back and scampers to his feet. The monster still chasing he makes his way into the next room and slams the door behind him. You hear a series of clicks and other weird noises coming through the door. The man leans up against it and you hear a deep inhalation come from the other side of the door like the creature is sniffing around for his scent. The man is breathing heavily and removes one hand from the door and clutches his side, blood is running down his side and his pant leg and pooling under the door. Last shot is the creature kneeling on the other side of the door putting one hand to the blood (creature has four arms) then smelling it. "I have found you." He almost sings the words then the title screen shows and that's it.

Lets see if anyone else can get this detailed. It is the best looking anything that I have ever seen and the character models lighting and physics are on another level. The main character is impossible to confuse with anyone else and this game has not been revealed but I have hinted at it several times. This is not a cut scene or a render target it is actual game play and it is very impressive. Well the end is a cut scene but man ..... You literally cannot tell the difference and Yes



This was definitely all one shot.

Edited to add: I was just given the go ahead to post this and it is from an early vertical slice that I did get to see.
And before anyone asks No I cannot describe what the man is wearing because it would be a dead giveaway.
Silent Hill maybe?
 
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Most of you all are getting played in your thirst for information and you don’t even realize it.

First, most “insider” predictions about upcoming games are just genericcomments and everyone gets excited. I mean no shit there will be sci fi and sequels. I could write that now and be right no matter the game.

if you are going to leak, leak the actual information that can be proven right or wrong. If not, you are making generalizations for clout.

Second, can anyone here describe a single game trailer that they have watched once in the level of detail that Osiris just did? Seriously, a “vertical slice” and you picked all that up. Unless they handed you a video and said write everything you see for a descriptive writing paper you would never pick all of that up. That reads like a short story scene that someone just wrote to make a point.

no one would even write all of that stuff down about a current game scene they are watching.

”Insiders” are always seeking clout and the easiest way to do that is make general statements and never have to be proven wrong.

Just saying, you should be putting your sceptic hat on much more than you are because stuff like the above should make you question whats happening.
 
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Are you a real insider like Jason Schreier, Matt and Kleegamefan? Because all I see is you is spewing stuff but you get vetted or verified by Mod of War Mod of War so I do not believe anything you say until you get vetted.
And how mods want to verify anything he knows? People can fake everything these days, and not to mention real insider will not share certain details that would compromise his source.

IMO only time can verify Tommy Fisher (and other insiders as well).
 
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weird metric to use. Does anyone actually think switch is 1.5% of console market in 2019?
Market share includes software revenue, etc. not just console penetration, so yes, I do feel this is pretty accurate, PS4/XB1 take the lion share of revenue in the console industry.
 

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I’m still firmly in the SX>PS5 camp in terms of power, but I don’t think it will matter one bit in the long run. So when I see things like “pa5 is more powerful” combined with “PS5 has a slim form factor” I can’t stop my eyes from rolling. If MS couldn’t get that power in a classic shaped box without problems, what chance do Sony have? The same team that created the lawn mower pro?

I just don’t see it...

and to me, the noise level of the console is actually more important than the power difference, if we are talking about 1tf difference. I can’t stand to hear loud consoles, it drives me mad.
 

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Most of you all are getting played in your thirst for information and you don’t even realize it.

First, most “insider” predictions about upcoming games are just genericcomments and everyone gets excited. I mean no shit there will be sci fi and sequels. I could write that now and be right no matter the game.

if you are going to leak, leak the actual information that can be proven right or wrong. If not, you are making generalizations for clout.

Second, can anyone here describe a single game trailer that they have watched once in the level of detail that Osiris just did? Seriously, a “vertical slice” and you picked all that up. Unless they handed you a video and said write everything you see for a descriptive writing paper you would never pick all of that up. That reads like a short story scene that someone just wrote to make a point.

no one would even write all of that stuff down about a current game scene they are watching.

”Insiders” are always seeking clout and the easiest way to do that is make general statements and never have to be proven wrong.

Just saying, you should be putting your sceptic hat on much more than you are because stuff like the above should make you question whats happening.
Quite a few people are able to describe movie scenes with accuracy. Especially if they watched it with the intention of relaying the info.

You also have no idea how many times Osiris has seen the particular video.

It's specific enough to crucify him if he ends up telling lies.

No one can give descriptions like Osiris did and not being called out if he ends up being wrong.

On the other hand, those who regurgitate rumors and already leaked stuff? Yeah, those are most likely full of shit.

I for one, believe him.
 

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MS is killing it .... literally. This is the most excited I have been for a MS console ever and I have owned them all but if half of this shit is shown, MS E3 is going to be hard to beat.

everyone is worried about specs and I am telling you this will be the best games arms race since Nintendo vs Sega. I cannot fucking wait. And with that I'm off to work.

The 28 days is easy common guys. It's 8 days!!! Finally seeing the light of day.

Eight days E3 reveal
 

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Waaait a minute ...

It is an ancient version of an insect-like monster whose current version has been encounteted in the IP.

That ... doesn't sound like a Lycan at ALL.

... it's not The Order.
... And it carries a curse that could afflicted you! That sounds like the Order. I was first thinking about Resistance because of the 4 yellow eyes and 4 arms, but with the Quimera you would get infected wasn't it? A curse is more the order kind of thing like the lycans.

Man walks into room. Sees Xbox more powerful than ps5z. Walks out crying
Wtf is this nonsense? Stay way from this thread with this childish behavior.

it is a little bit shitty, but that's how it goes. at least m$ is trying to do something, sony? not so much, for the last 1-1,5 years, they are living on the old managements glory. new management has no clue what they are doing. Jim Ryan looks like retarded and gave a lot of interview which were dreadful, the man has no clue. let see what playstation meeting going to show us and upcoming month.
Lol i don't if Ryan 'looks like retarded' (how does retarded look like?) what matters is what games will be there day one, for the release of PS5 _ and nothing was yet officially announced! So how can you say Sony is not trying... with no information!? And Ms is trying,... based on a post of Osiris in Gaf? (that's what we are discussing, a post with no confirmation in Gaf).
 

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Market share includes software revenue, etc. not just console penetration, so yes, I do feel this is pretty accurate, PS4/XB1 take the lion share of revenue in the console industry.
it isnt that though, it is console operating system market share. Do they even consider switch a console?
 

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Quite a few people are able to describe movie scenes with accuracy. Especially if they watched it with the intention of relaying the info.

You also have no idea how many times Osiris has seen the particular video.

It's specific enough to crucify him if he ends up telling lies.

No one can give descriptions like Osiris did and not being called out if he ends up being wrong.

On the other hand, those who regurgitate rumors and already leaked stuff? Yeah, those are most likely full of shit.

I for one, believe him.
No they can't. This is not accuracy this is step by step with descriptions of every aspect of the scene. Unless you are a savant with photographic memory or have watched a clip over and over and over again taking notes you won't get all of this.

He says he was shown a vertical slice. If true this would not have been a situation where someone who isn't working on an unannounced game goes into a studio and takes detailed notes on a game to regurgitate elsewhere. This person must also see detailed info like this on lots of other games too. At some point, this person must be well known enough that everyone will know who they are if they are leaking accurate info on a lot of stuff. Games industry is small. Its why leaks are usually very narrow. No one really sees everything first hand without being known and then the leak is plugged.

Ok, let's say the above scene never appears publicly. My response, "Game got cancelled, looked awesome but team is pumped for next one." Guess what, you can't prove I'm wrong. Thus the detailed description and the name of the game don't matter because I can claim they were vaporware.

If you want to actually leak, say the name of the game or the character. This is allegedly a sequel with a character we would be familiar with. Thus it shouldn't be a big secret that its being developed, no? The game is far enough along to be grinding out a trailer so it should be releasing in the next 12 months...

I'm assuming Osiris will come back with some snarky comments about how he knows all this stuff. I'm just saying, keep your antenna up.
 
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it isnt that though, it is console operating system market share. Do they even consider switch a console?
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketshare.asp

Understanding Market Share

A company's market share is its portion of total sales in relation to the market or industry in which it operates. To calculate a company's market share, first determine a period you want to examine. It can be a fiscal quarter, year or multiple years.



Next, calculate the company's total sales over that period. Then, find out the total sales of the company's industry. Finally, divide the company's total revenues by its industry's total sales. For example, if a company sold $100 million in tractors last year domestically, and the total amount of tractors sold in the U.S. was $200 million, the company's U.S. market share for tractors would be 50%.
 

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Most of you all are getting played in your thirst for information and you don’t even realize it.

First, most “insider” predictions about upcoming games are just genericcomments and everyone gets excited. I mean no shit there will be sci fi and sequels. I could write that now and be right no matter the game.

if you are going to leak, leak the actual information that can be proven right or wrong. If not, you are making generalizations for clout.

Second, can anyone here describe a single game trailer that they have watched once in the level of detail that Osiris just did? Seriously, a “vertical slice” and you picked all that up. Unless they handed you a video and said write everything you see for a descriptive writing paper you would never pick all of that up. That reads like a short story scene that someone just wrote to make a point.

no one would even write all of that stuff down about a current game scene they are watching.

”Insiders” are always seeking clout and the easiest way to do that is make general statements and never have to be proven wrong.

Just saying, you should be putting your sceptic hat on much more than you are because stuff like the above should make you question whats happening.
Then kudos to him for entertaining the people of this thread with believable stories. What else is there to discuss here besides rumors? How many TF might next consoles have or not?
 
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... And it carries a curse that could afflicted you! That sounds like the Order. I was first thinking about Resistance because of the 4 yellow eyes and 4 arms, but with the Quimera you would get infected wasn't it? A curse is more the order kind of thing like the lycans.
The big question, if it is an Order: 1886 sequel, is how did the 4-armed lycan evolve?
 
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