SonGoku
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I don't think they'll dump local hw, its practical to have a base spec to develop games around. Even Stadia has a fixed spec.
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CyberPanda
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I guess we’ll see. But, I’m not holding my breath.
Imtjnotu
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PS4 and xbone were sold at a profit from day one
CyberPanda
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Sony will sell every PS4 at a loss, but easily recoup it in games, PS Plus sales - Geek.com
Masayasu Ito, Sony Computer Entertainment senior vice president, has admitted that for every PS4 console sold, Sony will be losing money. In other words, the cost of manufacturing and shipping the console costs …
www.geek.com
Naw. Even xbox sold at a loss. Games, subscriptions, and so on are the money makers.
Fake
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Not true. Both sold at loss for sometime.
Imtjnotu
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That article was two months before ps4 launchedSony will sell every PS4 at a loss, but easily recoup it in games, PS Plus sales - Geek.com
Masayasu Ito, Sony Computer Entertainment senior vice president, has admitted that for every PS4 console sold, Sony will be losing money. In other words, the cost of manufacturing and shipping the console costs …
Naw. Even xbox sold at a loss. Games, subscriptions, and so on are the money makers.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/report-399-playstation-4-costs-about-381-to-build/ according to this ps4 was in fact not sold at a loss
CyberPanda
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DemonCleaner
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yeah just not seeing many developers use this kind optimization for that little share of the customer market. maybe some sponsored titels where AMDs field engineers will help out.
with next gen launching wave32 code will carry over to the pc space. first in AAA 3rd party games and as adoption rate of the console grows more and more in lower budget productions.
therefore i think rDNA will age much better than polaris and vega did. the lack of RT in rDNA 1.0 is a bummer though.
APUs are close to the second wafer. Now if you have chiplets instead you are producing a whole lot more. The limitation with die size is yield thus cost. That is the limiting factor in producing 150million chips over 7years and counting
SonGoku
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Nvidia's GPUs are nearing 800mm2 lol
APUs are close to the second wafer. Now if you have chiplets instead you are producing a whole lot more. The limitation with die size is yield thus cost. That is the limiting factor in producing 150million chips over 7years and counting
Short term a monolithic design will be more expensive but long term (what matters for consoles) cheaper due to improved yields and further node shrinks
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CyberPanda
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So size of nipples?
TeamGhobad
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sauce?
llien
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Computerbase tests only a handful of games.
But when hardware unboxed goes rampage and tests 35 games, they get the same results.
Call it 'indicative" not "comprehensive".
Lort
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Sony should just give up their hardware was beaten by original xbox, xbox 360 and xbox one x and likely again by next gen xbox. 3/4 releases they failed in hardware design... what Sony does well is single player narrative games and so they should focus on that and release for all devices.
Microsoft releases the best PC devices and the best consoles hardware wise and only Microsoft is in place to challenge the big players Google, Apple and AWS.
Sony really should just give the gamers what they want the games on devices they want such as mobile.
Microsoft releases the best PC devices and the best consoles hardware wise and only Microsoft is in place to challenge the big players Google, Apple and AWS.
Sony really should just give the gamers what they want the games on devices they want such as mobile.
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TBiddy
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Wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Much harder to develop for, sure, but more powerful?
Ar¢tos
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And yet, MS trails behind every generation...
Maybe that means that games sell more than power?
Farrell55
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So Hello together
After i put a bunch of Time in Research
And personal experience ( i am a Gamer from early 90s) here are my final Prediction for both sony&ms (im not pro sony or pro ms!!!)
Microsoft Lockhart
Amd zen2 cpu 8c/16t @3.2ghz
12TF amd next gen navi rdna2 gpu
16gb gddr6, 256bit 14gbps 448 gb/s BW
Hardware Raytracing
1Tb SSD 2+gb/s
Improved VC cooling System
299$
Sony ps5
Amd zen2 cpu 8c/16t 2.8-3.2 ghz
8-10TF amd navi rdna1
12gb gddr6, 384bit 12gbps, 576 gb/s BW
Sony custom Hardware Raytracing
Sony custom ssd 256gb @ 4+gb/s
1Tb Hdd
Better cooling solution like the OG ps3
399$
Microsoft Anaconda
Amd zen2 custom 12c/36t (3way smt) @3.8 ghz
Amd navi next gen rdna2 @24Tf (allready confirmed by Ms)
24gb gddr6, 384bit bus 18gbps chips, 864 gb/s BW
Hardware Raytracing
2tb ssd @2+ gb/s
High end VC cooling
499$
After i put a bunch of Time in Research
And personal experience ( i am a Gamer from early 90s) here are my final Prediction for both sony&ms (im not pro sony or pro ms!!!)
Microsoft Lockhart
Amd zen2 cpu 8c/16t @3.2ghz
12TF amd next gen navi rdna2 gpu
16gb gddr6, 256bit 14gbps 448 gb/s BW
Hardware Raytracing
1Tb SSD 2+gb/s
Improved VC cooling System
299$
Sony ps5
Amd zen2 cpu 8c/16t 2.8-3.2 ghz
8-10TF amd navi rdna1
12gb gddr6, 384bit 12gbps, 576 gb/s BW
Sony custom Hardware Raytracing
Sony custom ssd 256gb @ 4+gb/s
1Tb Hdd
Better cooling solution like the OG ps3
399$
Microsoft Anaconda
Amd zen2 custom 12c/36t (3way smt) @3.8 ghz
Amd navi next gen rdna2 @24Tf (allready confirmed by Ms)
24gb gddr6, 384bit bus 18gbps chips, 864 gb/s BW
Hardware Raytracing
2tb ssd @2+ gb/s
High end VC cooling
499$
demigod
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Your PS5 TF is too high, drop it to 8TF only.
TeamGhobad
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why would lockhart and anaconda have different buses?
Ar¢tos
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The idea of 24tf in a console is hilarious...
The idea of 24tf + 2tb ssd for 499$ is even more hilarious!
Farrell55
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No i think its possible for them to Reach 10tf but very unlikely they have to improve the cooling solution
Farrell55
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Bc of 4k later 8k you can Research it, it needs a lot of BW
TeamGhobad
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one way MS could differentiate itself from the PS5 is to go with 12core cpu, their marketing would be better AI, Physics and Framerate.
FranXico
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Where is this confirmed?
Farrell55
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In their e3 press conference
TLZ
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6x4 = 24 teraflipflops son!
TeamGhobad
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i know ur trolling and ur kinda funny. but to clarify they said 4x processing power meaning the CPU 4x over the X, which is MIGHTY impressive.
Farrell55
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I watch it manny times,they dont mention only 4x cpu power at least i think overall Power but we will see
TeamGhobad
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ya they later said 4x overall power, you are right. taking into account all the parts ram ssd and so on.
Aceofspades
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I think you overestimated PS5 power, and underestimated Anaconda because Arthur Gies told me that Ana is Zen3 + post RDNA 52TF beast that eats monster for breakfast. otherwise pretty close prediction
TLZ
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Lort
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Nope we covered this ...
Ps3 230 gflops
Xbox 360 240 gflops
Console GPU Power Compared: Ranking Systems By FLOPS
Console performance ranked by FLOPS.
www.gamespot.com
ANIMAL1975
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Lort
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So Sony should keep to what its best at doing, making games and stop limiting themselves to just 10% of the gaming market.
https://www.mobvista.com/en/blog/mo...aming-combined-still-growing-always-changing/
Imagine how good Sony games would be on the xbox one x, or the original xbox, or the 360 ( rather than spending years working around crippling design choices on the ps3).
Farrell55
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Yeah and on the cpu side cell only had an advantage in floating points, on general purpose x360cpu was far aheadNope we covered this ...
Ps3 230 gflops
Xbox 360 240 gflops
Console GPU Power Compared: Ranking Systems By FLOPS
Console performance ranked by FLOPS.
Ar¢tos
Member
Why are you comparing Cpu flops to GPU flops?Nope we covered this ...
Ps3 230 gflops
Xbox 360 240 gflops
Console GPU Power Compared: Ranking Systems By FLOPS
Console performance ranked by FLOPS.
Ps3: CPU - 230.4 / GPU - 192
X360: CPU - 115.2 / GPU - 240
TeamGhobad
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what a shitty circus
Aceofspades
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Imagine how good MS games on X would look like if they stopped doing some mid-tier indie efforts made to inflate game pass offering
TBiddy
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Imagine how good MS games on X would look like if they stopped doing some mid-tier indie efforts made to inflate game pass offering
Sometimes I wonder what you gain from posting nonsense like that, non-stop.
Evilms
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The PS4 Pro is 4.2 Tflops but it's still Polaris/GCN2.0
The Xbox One X is 6.0 Tflops in Polaris/GCN2.0 too
The RX Vega 64 is 12.6 Tflops but it's GCN5.0
The RX 5700 XT is 9.75 Tflops with new Navi/RDNA.
we all know from the amd slides that RDNA is 1.25 times more efficient than GCN (Vega).
And Navi's 9.75 TF are 14% more efficient than Vega's 12.6 TF. This gives us a 145% higher performance Navi in terflops.
So it's simple if the PS5/Scarlett are 12 Tflops consoles it gives us approximately 2.4 times more power than the X.
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Fake
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Console wars is back.
Mass Shift
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The PS4 Pro is 4.2 Tflops but it's still Polaris/GCN2.0
The Xbox One X is 6.0 Tflops in Polaris/GCN2.0 too
The RX Vega 64 is 12.6 Tflops but it's GCN5.0
The RX 5700 XT is 9.75 Tflops with new Navi/RDNA.
we all know from the amd slides that RDNA is 1.25 times more efficient than GCN (Vega).
And Navi's 9.75 TF are 14% more efficient than Vega's 12.6 TF. This gives us a 145% higher performance Navi in terflops.
So it's simple if the PS5/Scarlett are 12 Tflops consoles it gives us approximately 2.4 times more power than the X.
This is basically what has me believing that Lockheart has already been abandoned. In the light of such improved performance efficiency it would no longer be needed.
I know it sounds like a stretch but this is why I think there may be more than one Anaconda. And that Anaconda 2 is the "4x the power of the OneX" device Microsoft is referring to. This of course assuming MS still wants to continue with their two console strategy.
Gamernyc78
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ethomaz
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Chiplet is actually a cheap bandaid while AMD didn't find a solution to easy shrink their IO controller... it is works better for Servers due scalability.
APUs are close to the second wafer. Now if you have chiplets instead you are producing a whole lot more. The limitation with die size is yield thus cost. That is the limiting factor in producing 150million chips over 7years and counting
Even AMD doesn't plan to use it forever (to be fair they can't use).
A bit more about chiplet design: https://www.extremetech.com/computi...both-solution-and-symptom-to-a-larger-problem
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