Lunatic_Gamer
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Next Gen Switch supposedly use 5nm Nvidia Tegra (Samsung Foundry)
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Imtjnotu
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with all the issues samsung foundry is having....
Qualcomm moved away from samsung after its SD8G1 was having roughly 35% yields and went directly too TSMC.
Even samsung gave up last year on its exynos chips for its S Line up this year because its 2200 lagging behind last year.
Samsung has yet to reach a 50% yield on any of its 5nm manufacturing.
Qualcomm moved away from samsung after its SD8G1 was having roughly 35% yields and went directly too TSMC.
Even samsung gave up last year on its exynos chips for its S Line up this year because its 2200 lagging behind last year.
Samsung has yet to reach a 50% yield on any of its 5nm manufacturing.
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It will definitely maintain the handheld form factor. Process node and chipset are extremely important for battery life.
Thirty7ven
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Odd, considering how expensive 5nm is. Along with Samsung yield problems.
‘Cutting edge’?
TSMC 3nm is cutting edge. Apple’s reportedly using that in their next iPhone and M3 chip.
Not Samsung’s 5nm process.
asdasdasdbb
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A faster switch that's otherwise more or less the same will be OK.
I thought Samsung claimed they fixed the yields. Quality OTOH... TSMC is far better.
If Samsung offered nVidia/Nintendo a good deal to port Orin from SS8 to SS5, I could see it. It wouldn't be an amazing improvement compared to if they stuck with SS8 but the clock speed and/or the battery life would be better.
Imtjnotu
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5NM isnt cutting edge. 3 and 4nm is the new normal for last year and this year. compared to its 2015 20nm process anything lower than 7 is amazing but standard as of now
Wooxsvan
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def plausible
www.notebookcheck.net
if this was close to true, it would mean 4 ish Tflops, alittle shy of ps4 pro
NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
The existence of the NVIDIA Tegra T239 has been more or less confirmed, with Linux kernel support added for the unreleased chipset. Expected to be a customised version of the Tegra T234, the Tegra T239 is rumoured to power a next-generation Nintendo Switch, possibly the Switch Pro or the Switch 2.
www.notebookcheck.net
Imtjnotu
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Samsung has said they did but as of last year they were still below 50%, and that they would be moving most of their force to get 3nm running. their 3nm yields are even less than 5nm from what i read. the new texas plant next year is supposed to help alot with getting 3nm running but even after they dumped 93 billion dollars into all their foundries, they still are having a shit ton of issues and TSMC is widening the gap
Gaiff
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Apple has a stranglehold on 3nm at the moment and TSMC is reportedly fully booked, chiefly due to them. Samsung managed 3nm just a few months ago and 5nm is still the best their mainstream dies can hope for right now for the likes of Nintendo.
01011001
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someone needs to be reminded that when the Switch launched, the Tegra X1 was more or less the fastest SoC available for its form factor.
so that basically made the Switch a cutting edge system at the time of release.
the fastest Qualcomm at the time had a worse CPU, supported less memory, and had a slower GPU.
and that is the case even though Nintendo downclocked the Switch dramatically
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tkscz
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Not enough info to know. It's nvidia and it's Samsung 5nm. The problem is currently, Lovelace uses TSMC's 4nm process. Last chipset Samsung officially created for nvidia was 8nm Ampere.
This could mean it's using the cancelled Ampere+ which was meant to be a die shrunk Ampere. But even then it tells us nothing.
What we'd need to know to compare it to PS4(Pro) and XB1(X) would be:
Costume Ampere, Ampere+ or Lovelace
CUDA core count and clock speed
CPU... may not matter as much as it's ARM based and not x86 based, but anything would be better than the AMD Jaguar they used
RAM would be LPDDR5 as Ampere doesn't support LPDDR4, but we would need to know amount and transfer rate.
Until we know all that, saying 5nm doesn't really mean anything.
5nm die is standard now for handheld devices.
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Imtjnotu
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Apple was smart and bought up alot of the space last year or 2021. and with TSMC announcing it can get its 3nm yields in the 80% range, and apple dominating the SoC market, the rest of the handheld world is now stuck till 2024.
i doubt even Qualcomm can get 3nm for next years galaxy phones
SlimySnake
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I can promise you Nintendo wont go with the cutting edge.
They will stick to their 15 watt target and ship a 1 tflops chip.
sendit
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This isn't cutting edge, its a natural process of progression. By the time this releases, Nvidia will have moved over to 3nm.
Gaiff
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At the moment 5nm is what's available. 3nm isn't there yet and besides Apple, I don't think anyone will get their hands on it before the end of the year. Switch using the most recent tech would surprise me given Nintendo's history.
Imtjnotu
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not a chance its only 1tflop. im going for two. the strongest mobile gpu on the market right now is already at 3Tflops at 13 watts
Imtjnotu
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it means WAY better battery for one
Gaiff
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Piccolo is too generous for Nintendo. Krillin at best but more than likely they give us Yamcha.
Imtjnotu
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if Series X is jiren, PS5 is incomplete UI goku, switch 2 is golden frieza
kiphalfton
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Yeah, and Nintendo's secret/special sauce is super basic (ketchup and mayo).
Not a good combo.
Gaiff
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You're giving the Switch way too much credit. It'd be Roshi in this scenario. The Switch 2 would be like Base Goku or something.
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SlimySnake
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this is nintendo though. Even if it fits their wattage budget, it will need to fit within their profit margin as well.
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Polygonal_Sprite
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Like the USB-C for Switch charging.
Gaiff
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I'm reminded of the Wii and Nintendo having the balls to charge $250 for what were effectively an overclocked Gekko and Flipper.
Imtjnotu
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it is but as an average for right now, Nvidia has the Xavier SoC. its 1.4tf but still used the 12nm process. if the new switch used 6nm that right there(based on Qualcomm and Apple) is damn near 60% better power efficient. it would be anywhere from the 20-30 Watt range for a new switch but closer to 20.
im expecting 2TF minimum just based on other current mobile devices tho. only time will tell
Gamerfan81
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Another Switch 2 rumor?
Nintendo fans and Sony fans comes into thread
Nintendo fans and Sony fans comes into thread
kiphalfton
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More like yamcha.
Imtjnotu
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not sure what any of this has to do with sony fansAnother Switch 2 rumor?
Nintendo fans and Sony fans comes into thread
cinnamonandgravy
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late-gen gamecubes lacked digital video-out (i.e., no component cable support, so no progressive scan).
that always stuck with me as a douchey cheapskate decision.
excited to see switch 2 though.
exclusive dlss implementation? some RT? OLED? new controller features?
could go a lot of ways.
Imtjnotu
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but also, i dont think any of the major foundries are doing large bulk orders for 12nm at this time. intel is still on 10 which = TSMC 7nm. i think at worst we get a 7nm chip which is still leagues ahead of NVidias 2015 X1 chip in the switch
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The last rumor I heard was that it was 2.6 tflops docked and 1.3 tflops handheld. But I look at Steamdeck and wonder if Nintendo would be able to top that by a full tflop using expensive nvidia hardware?
What about vram and ssd? i think they will need to be powered by the 15 watt limit Nintendo will undoubtedly impose upon themselves. I wouldnt be surprised if their SoC wattage target is just 10 watts.
Kuranghi
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I don't know anything about how a new chip process is created and executed so could you explain why Samsung is getting lower yields than TSMC to me without taking too much of your time up? Like is it just the people they have in their company are better at developing the machinery/technology and how that stuff is used are better at their jobs than the Samsung equivalent guys?
Is it a supply chain thing where quality of materials make the difference or something like that? Or are these processes developed by independant researchers and then licensed? I'll stop guessing now ha sorry.
Imtjnotu
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if Nvidia goes the amd route and uses a split pool for its apu, i dont see 16gb being out of reach. ram prices plummeted last year. LPDDR5 would be perfect for it. if the deck can run PC games off that much ram than a new switch would be good.
i do get what your saying now about specs and nintendo cause here i am wanting some good handheld shit but even reading what im typing has me thinking nintendo would not do this shit LOL
Bragr
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Can you nerds stop talking in anime terms and tell us if this thing will run red dead 2 at 60fps.
01011001
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ok, how about American news terms then?
the Switch 2 will be as powerful as 33 giraffes or 2½ football fields
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How about we explain it in terms of fried Chicken sandwiches.
I guess the current switch would be Wendy's spicy Chicken
The switch 2 would be Rally/checkers mother cruncher.
Series s is Wendy's Asiago
Series X is Popeyes
And ps5 is chik fil a.
Imtjnotu
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Per a korean media article samsung is lacking the man power of its foundries. its one place to start. now Samsung did come out and say that isnt true, but then goes and Delays its 3nm node last year.
also TSMC is just alot larger than Samsungs chip side. the Tech is all there but it comes down to the process and who can get what up and running first. TSMC seems to have the jump on Samsung with getting new processes in trial first.
as of last june, TSMC was already testing a new 2nm process to gates(how power is switched on and off inside the transitor. where the whole 0-1's come from) called GAA. Samsung last year announced it would be using GAA on its 3nm node. samsung wont be doing production on 2nm till 2025 so TSMC again is ahead of the game. TSMC has also said in 2025 it will start its manufacturing of 2nm, but if they are already in the testing phase and samsung had to already delay its 3nm, a 2nm delay from samsung is inevitable.
Imtjnotu
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I think SSD prices have dropped alot.
They will probably make the mistake of making the stroage proprietary, but this thing CANNNOT launch with out a hood storage solution. SSD or no deal for me.
Knightime_X
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So how much stronger vs switch are we talking?
Imtjnotu
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rumors say minimum is 6x docked mode but im sticking with 2tf max. so 4x?
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justiceiro
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A struggling implementation of technology that has been source of more headaches than successes so far. I can't think of a more fitting part for Nintendo next console.