On Invisible walls they talk about Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 at the end of the episode:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-76-invisible-walls/56798
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-76-invisible-walls/56798
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Ninja Gaiden 2 Official Thread
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iconoclast
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SaitoH said:
HOLY SHIT @ at the slowdown starting around 28:30. That is almost as bad as the Chapter 10 staircase...
He also mentions that he's around half-way through, but he has already played one of the new missions for the girls. So I guess that means they once again shoehorned that shit into the main story instead of keeping it self-contained? Sigh...
All Tests of Valors have been removed? Ehhh...
MoFuzz
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Bearillusion said:
Going back a couple of pages now, but I just had a thought. Mine was upscaled to 1080p, perhaps running in the native rez of 720p would help the slowdown/tearing issues? Will try that tonight after work.
Regardless, I've spent well over 60 hours on the 360 version, so I know I definitely saw some slowdown in Sigma 2. Was it horrendous? No. But it was the one big improvement I was really hoping for in the PS3 iteration. There's no question Sigma 2 looks better, even before all the screens posted comparing the two, you can tell right away looking at the game running on its own.
Again, I'm keeping an open mind that the retail release will have improved on this aspect, or at least deliver a stellar game.
w1ck3dn1nj4
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A few spoilers for you folks to mull over re changes from NG2. Some stuff are from prima guide while others are confirmed from the lucky few whore playing this early.
1.No UTs from bow (confirmed)
2.Still need to tap x to run on water (confirmed)
The following is yet to be confirmed (credit to Sneh from IW)
1.Looks like there is no IS and WS projectiles for Ryu
2.No more worm tunnel mid boss. Red eels still present.
3.Bosses and placements
Ch1:Buddha / Rasetsu / Buddha
Ch2: Rasetsu / Genshin
Ch3: Gigadeath
Ch4: Giant Brute / Alexi / Statue of Liberty
Ch5 = Momiji: Tengu Bro / Tengu Bros
Ch6: Water Dragon
Ch7: Giant Skeleton / Volf
Ch8 = Rachel: Marbus
Ch9: Genshin / Armadillo
Ch10: Giant Brute / Zedonius
Ch11 = Ayane: Obaba
Ch12: Flame Dragon
Ch13: Quetzalcoatl / Elizebet
Ch14: Tengu Bro/s / Rasetsu Brawl *2 at a time 3 total / Tengu Bro/s / Genshin
Ch15: Marbus / Zed / Volf
Ch16 Tengu Bros / Alexi
Ch17:Same as NG2
4. 35 missions in total
Acolyte 10, Warrior 10. Mentor 5, Master Ninja 5, Ultimate Ninja 5
5. Dream combo of 4 bosses Alexei+Liz+Volf+Zed at the same time in ultimate ninja mission mode lol
2.Still need to tap x to run on water (confirmed)
The following is yet to be confirmed (credit to Sneh from IW)
1.Looks like there is no IS and WS projectiles for Ryu
2.No more worm tunnel mid boss. Red eels still present.
3.Bosses and placements
Ch1:Buddha / Rasetsu / Buddha
Ch2: Rasetsu / Genshin
Ch3: Gigadeath
Ch4: Giant Brute / Alexi / Statue of Liberty
Ch5 = Momiji: Tengu Bro / Tengu Bros
Ch6: Water Dragon
Ch7: Giant Skeleton / Volf
Ch8 = Rachel: Marbus
Ch9: Genshin / Armadillo
Ch10: Giant Brute / Zedonius
Ch11 = Ayane: Obaba
Ch12: Flame Dragon
Ch13: Quetzalcoatl / Elizebet
Ch14: Tengu Bro/s / Rasetsu Brawl *2 at a time 3 total / Tengu Bro/s / Genshin
Ch15: Marbus / Zed / Volf
Ch16 Tengu Bros / Alexi
Ch17:Same as NG2
4. 35 missions in total
Acolyte 10, Warrior 10. Mentor 5, Master Ninja 5, Ultimate Ninja 5
5. Dream combo of 4 bosses Alexei+Liz+Volf+Zed at the same time in ultimate ninja mission mode lol
iconoclast
Member
Wait, they removed the
entirely? What trash.
Oh, and I guess that means there are no
? Inferior version confirmed.
edit: Unless
Didn't consider that. There's still hope!
edit2: Oh wait, they're all co-op aren't they? There's no hope.
Windmill Shuriken
Oh, and I guess that means there are no
weapon survivals
edit: Unless
you can choose one of two survivals, and then pick your weapon.
edit2: Oh wait, they're all co-op aren't they? There's no hope.
The Tests of Valor have to be in there, one way or another.
Unless you already have NG2, I'm not sure why you would. Flaws and blood preferences aside, you'd be hard pressed to find very many action games better than this.Siyou said:
But he "gets it" though. Leaving out the campaign time limits was just strange. Especially when you consider just how much more offense-minded the sequel is.iconoclast said:
Good riddance.w1ck3dn1nj4 said:
As it should be.w1ck3dn1nj4 said:
That won't sit well with a lot of players. Hmmm...w1ck3dn1nj4 said:
This can't be serious. I'll wait for confirmation.w1ck3dn1nj4 said:
I need to see how some of these replacements and new encounters play out, but the above is interesting.w1ck3dn1nj4 said:
iconoclast
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·feist· said:
I always thought the scoring system in NG sucked to begin with (I always felt you should be punished for using ET/UT's, not rewarded), but removing the timer really broke it. In NG2, you wind up spawning some enemies, running away, charging a ET/UT and making sure it only hits once for maximum milking efficiency. Rinse and repeat forever.
It's an absolute joke.
·feist· said:
That's a great change, IMO. One less way to tediously milk karma! But how will they
do a few of boss fights, or sections of certain levels? Either a quick bow shot does ridiculous damage or they reworked them completely (I'm hoping for the latter)...
I wasn't aware of that. Personally, I loved having that added hurdle right beforeLoudninja said:
boss fights.
I'm the type that tries to avoid OTs and UTs where I can unless I'm just cruising along, being cheap or simply lazy. Obviously, they're rewarding you for employing all of the techniques at your disposal, but it also encourages spamming and poor play. If anything, I think NG2's scoring system is possibly worse/easier than that of NG1. I lost count of how many consecutive Master Ninja rankings I got on my first play; even where I didn't feel that it was warranted. It's as if you can't get less than Head Ninja and Greater Ninja has become equivalent to Ninja Dog. Of course, some experience with the series skews this a bit, but I'm sure I could still end up with one or two Greater Ninja ranks on NG1 even now.iconoclast said:
I agree. I've never been a bow person in either game and I've avoided them outside of the instances where you're forced to use them - puzzles in NG1, boss fights in NG2, etc. I'm too busy juggling enemies with normal shurikens for fun or mixing in the windmill to care about the bow. You can beat theiconoclast said:
Train Demon, Water Dragon
"God's Beard!"
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No super shuriken, no tests of valor and forced co-op mission mode? What kind of Ninja Gaiden is this?
First, I will jump on the praise train and agree this is how a demo should be done. Silly amount of content and stuff to play around with.
The pros:
-Sigma engine looks better than the NG2 engine. The bump in textures and resolution and lighting is appreciated. NG2 was not a pretty game, and Sigma 2 isn't either, but it looks better for sure.
-New boss is kind of fun. I'll never complain about more content.
-Ayane is fun to use. She seems a little spammy and is definitely no Ryu but I guess she's not meant to be.
-I noticed very few framerate hiccups in either Ryu or Ayane's stage. It's not gone, but it's not worse, either.
-Definitely as fast as the original.
-Dabilharo is back! Fuck! My favorite weapon by far.
The cons:
-Lots of screen tearing. I guess that is preferable to slowdown in an action game, but goddamn is that one annoying effect.
-Mid level loading still in full effect.
-I realize this has been beat to death, but now that I can see it on my own TV, I gotta repeat with great emphasis: this purple mist is the DUMBEST SHIT EVER. It is so hideous in every imaginable way. Ugly as hell, gets in the way, I'm chopping an arm off, the motherfucker's ARM IS OFF HIS BODY, and then BAM MIST ALL OVER. Awful. Just awful. If you defend the mist, you are execrable.
Solid port. I won't be dropping $60 but I will definitely own it eventually.
The pros:
-Sigma engine looks better than the NG2 engine. The bump in textures and resolution and lighting is appreciated. NG2 was not a pretty game, and Sigma 2 isn't either, but it looks better for sure.
-New boss is kind of fun. I'll never complain about more content.
-Ayane is fun to use. She seems a little spammy and is definitely no Ryu but I guess she's not meant to be.
-I noticed very few framerate hiccups in either Ryu or Ayane's stage. It's not gone, but it's not worse, either.
-Definitely as fast as the original.
-Dabilharo is back! Fuck! My favorite weapon by far.
The cons:
-Lots of screen tearing. I guess that is preferable to slowdown in an action game, but goddamn is that one annoying effect.
-Mid level loading still in full effect.
-I realize this has been beat to death, but now that I can see it on my own TV, I gotta repeat with great emphasis: this purple mist is the DUMBEST SHIT EVER. It is so hideous in every imaginable way. Ugly as hell, gets in the way, I'm chopping an arm off, the motherfucker's ARM IS OFF HIS BODY, and then BAM MIST ALL OVER. Awful. Just awful. If you defend the mist, you are execrable.
Solid port. I won't be dropping $60 but I will definitely own it eventually.
HomerSimpson-Man
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MazingerDUDE said:some more comparison shots here
it seems that NGS2 is a lot more than just a port
*pics*
Damn. The differences in these pics are astonishing; texture detail, pixel shaders, lighting are huge improvements. They didn't just render the game in a higher resolution, but outright improved entire graphical assets. All those comparison picks we had earlier from the previews were nothing like this, it was really really understated in retrospect.
Draft said:
Since I have yet to chime in on the matter, rather then defend it I'll simply say, "I don't care".
Purple mist, or blood, are fine with me, as long as I get to play this game. I've been dying to get my hands on NG2 since I first played the demo on a friend's 360, and tuesday, I'll finally get my chance.
Freedom = $1.05
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DR2K said:
I haven't seen this either. Unless people are talking about opening treasure boxes. That load is annoying, but tolerable. I'm currently playing Blood Omen right on the PS3, though, so I might be more patient than some other folks :lol
SaitoH said:
Same here. Being a PS3 only owner I was day 1 one NGS1 so it really blew when NG2 was originally announced on the 360. Having played the demo I'm super hyped for NGS2. I guess it really helps that NGS1 is the only other NG game I've played, seeing as a lot of the complaints are coming from folks who have some baggage with this franchise.
I think it's worth mentioning that the majority of any impressions to be found on this game are based on a playthrough of the warrior difficulty- we've all seen plenty of footage and well, mentor/master ninja mode have different enemy placements as well as a high possibility of frequent fiend ryu encounters.
My guess is the tests of valor weren't removed from the whole game, they might have been left for master ninja mode or perhaps, and sadly- they are being remixed with the missions from the NG2 DLC into NGS2 dlc.
I mean, recall if you will that ninja gaiden sigma had a mission mode that I believe was half on the disc and half dlc. Ryu and racheal each had their own stages too.
No reason to see the future for this games content being any different.
My guess is the tests of valor weren't removed from the whole game, they might have been left for master ninja mode or perhaps, and sadly- they are being remixed with the missions from the NG2 DLC into NGS2 dlc.
I mean, recall if you will that ninja gaiden sigma had a mission mode that I believe was half on the disc and half dlc. Ryu and racheal each had their own stages too.
No reason to see the future for this games content being any different.
iconoclast
Member
I've had a quick second or two mid-level loads, but it was still improved compared to an uninstalled NG2.
The real killer is it loads every single time you switch a weapon, for several seconds. Load times for each level are really effing long too.
The real killer is it loads every single time you switch a weapon, for several seconds. Load times for each level are really effing long too.
Bearillusion
Banned
Draft said:
I've beaten the demo on all settings and haven't experienced slowdown once. Tearing has also been minimal. The only time it really shows up is during the boss fight. I'm not blind to this stuff btw. I can't not see it.
I'm playing at 720p and on a slim.
Oh and there has never been any loading once the level starts. None at all.
iconoclast
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Loudninja said:
Compared to NG2, when you switch a weapon via the d-pad the loading is a lot worse.
edit: I'm playing it right now and it takes about 2 seconds. When I first switched weapons it took nearly 10; pretty weird. So maybe not "several" but still not as quick as it should be.
I dont know what people are talking about when it comes to framerate. Game slows down a ton during team missions and the Ayane mission near the end.
This might be the first NG I skip. I know everyone praises the combat, but I am starting to get tired of being encouraged to UT spam. UTs are so easy to do and come out so quickly that I feel like thats all I'm doing. And why not. It nets me the most points and kills guys the fastest. It also is starting to kill the fun, after getting so good learning how to perform them in the first NG years ago.
However, I praise them for removing some of the cheapness of their AI. Defiitely less shiruken spam, and more fun to fight the advanced Ninjas. The combat system is just getting a little old strategy wise
This might be the first NG I skip. I know everyone praises the combat, but I am starting to get tired of being encouraged to UT spam. UTs are so easy to do and come out so quickly that I feel like thats all I'm doing. And why not. It nets me the most points and kills guys the fastest. It also is starting to kill the fun, after getting so good learning how to perform them in the first NG years ago.
However, I praise them for removing some of the cheapness of their AI. Defiitely less shiruken spam, and more fun to fight the advanced Ninjas. The combat system is just getting a little old strategy wise