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Nintendo Aiming To Release Super Mario 3DS This Year [Updated]
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CoffeeJanitor
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Cool on YI.AniHawk said:
Agree to disagree on SMB3.
From The Dust
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At least one or the other coming his year is a safe bet to makelow-G said:
Are you serious? Identical??? What's so freaking identical about flying vs transforming into a submarine, or clearing the level before the time runs out vs exploring the level to find all the flower petals, red coins etc... I mean even jumping mechanics are as different from a Mario game as Kirby is different in that department from Mario...BowieZ said:
Holy Order Sol
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That's like saying Wario Land is a Mario game.
MidnightScott
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It's a Mario universe game...
Holy Order Sol
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Are you really showing this to me assuming I had never seen it? I mean I own the game, wtf.
Are you really showing this to me assuming I had never seen it? I mean I own the game, wtf.
"star Mario" - about Mario - standard platformer design - Super Mario World 2 / Super Mario title (not subtitle) - lengthy platforming sections as just Mario - next level up from previous games where the power-up is not temporary but game-wide (i.e. Yoshi) - designed by Miyamoto - music by Kondo - clear prequel status ("Our Heroes Are Born!")maeda said:
so no, not just that.
Dude. It's a Yoshi game, starring Yoshi. Yoshi has the title, is the predominant character, and the game develops the ideas that went into his spinoff games.BowieZ said:
Argue whatever technicalities you like, but Yoshi's Island isn't a Mario game, despite it being probably my favorite game of all time.
It stars Mario. Mario is throughout the whole game. Yoshi cannot progress without him.Mank said:
Also, WHICH Yoshi does the game star? The game has about 8 different colored Yoshies each of whom help Mario progress.
EDIT: It's clear that the intent of the game was to do a fully fledged sequel that is actually a prequel, and clear that the intent was to flip the formula slightly by Mario being UNDERPOWERED in the game rather than SUPER powered. It's just a creative twist because by then it was the 5th Mario platformer...
Not trying to comment much on what he's saying, but iirc the only games Nintendo considers to be "mainline" are:maeda said:
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 2 (JAP)
Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
New Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Galaxy
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Mario 3DS
EmCeeGramr
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thank you. i thought nobody agreed with me on this.AniHawk said:
Really?maeda said:
Green pipes, piranha plants, goombas, Koopas, shells, Shy Guys, coins, red coins, [?] clouds hovering in the air instead of [?] blocks hovering in the air, keys from SMW1, ferris wheel platforms, 1up minigames, .......
was that on the Japanese version of the All-Stars site?Busaiku said:
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Mario would certainly help them. Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, and Super Mario would make this thing sell like hot cakes.
Holy Order Sol
Member
wtf I thought we were talking gameplay-wise
I feel dirty now for taking part in this mess
oh god what the hell
I feel dirty now for taking part in this mess
oh god what the hell
Again, Mario games are different from Yoshi's island in things that actually matter gameplay wise, you know: exploration of the levels vs fast traversal, slow and "sensitive" jumping with hover vs precise and fast jumping, collectathon vs lack of it, power ups completely changing the mechanics vs power ups that add layers to the main mechanics...BowieZ said:
Yoshi's Island is most definitely not a mainline Mario platformer. Just because it has similar design decisions, doesn't equate to the same experience or place. It was made to be a spin on Mario...much like the Super Mario Land games before it, only starring Yoshi in a unique style and gameplay design. Everything about Yoshi's Island is different from the basic Mario platformer to the point where Nintendo considers "Yoshi" to be part of it's own series. Everything from the actual platforming mechanics and level design is totally different in Yoshi's Island.BowieZ said:
HMMMM... I am talking about the emphasis... Yoshi's Island emphasizes exploration. Yes, I have collected those things in SMW or NSMB, but i certainly didn't collect flower petals and 30 stars in those games. I didn't shoot eggs, I didn't swim as a submarine, or dug tunnels as a mole...BowieZ said:
Since this discussion is still going on... does this mean that, by your metric, Mario 64 DS and Mario 2 US are not mainline Mario games. Also, I see this logic kind of calling into question whether any game in which you can play as Luigi is a mainline Mario game, unless you have a magic number of Mario characters that can be playable in a mainline Mario.BowieZ said:
Alright I'll explain then. Like someone else said, Yoshi's Island is pretty much the first Mario game that can be considered a collectathon in any shape or fashion. While we did get Yoshi coins you couldn't exactly keep track of "complete" levels in SMW in that fashion, there wasn't really an incentive to traverse through every area of the level to get everything you can. While we got things like Stars in 3D Mario and coins in NSMB it isn't really the same type of collecting as seen in Yoshi's Island. The level design also lends itself to this considering a good portion of the levels force you to almost backtrack to areas you may've missed, almost like Metroid a bit. SMW had some levels like this but not many and all they lead to was more platforming levels. There's also the fact that Yoshi plays completely differently as a platforming star than Mario, and the whole baby Mario mechanic is constantly forcing you to take more responsibility than you would in the average Mario game.BowieZ said:
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I want to buy a 3ds this year, but also, no promises
No it doesn't.maeda said:
You've got this the wrong way round. It's your metric that should remove Mario 2 US from 'mainline' consideration.Mank said:
Very weak point... until you just claim it "isn't really the same". How? You're not forced to collect anything, unlike SMG/SMG2, where you collect red coins, or do missions for NPCs to collect stars.Big One said:
Very few levels force you to backtrack... in fact, maybe a couple of maze levels, like in SMW or SM64?Big One said:
And once again, exaggerations. 98% of the gameplay is running and jumping and defeating enemies with some unique attacks like in SMB3/SMW (feather/cape flicks), or SMG (waggle etc etc)...
CoffeeJanitor
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I think Nintendo considers YI in there.Big One said:
And the 2D/3D games are split series but whatevs
That's what makes it different. I didn't say you were forced to collect things, I just said there's an incentive to. Every level has a completion record with a "grade" and essentially fulfills the need for the average OCD. It's just, quite simply, a different type of 2D platforming game.BowieZ said:
I don't think there are any "maze" levels in SMWBowieZ said:
That's approximately what Yoshi's Island is NOT. I mean there are those linear levels (like scrolling) but there's some really open ended and heavy level design for the most part. There's also the fact that there isn't really anything to substitute for the Mushroom, Fire Flower, or Cape but instead you just get this system of shooting eggs which is also very not-Mario-like.BowieZ said:
perfectchaos007
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Nintendo: "We'll give 3rd parties a chance early in this generation to grab a hold of the market by not releasing any of our AAA franchises in the launch window."
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Nintendo: "well we better crank out those AAA titles fast now"
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Nintendo: "well we better crank out those AAA titles fast now"
The site's gone, but here's the video.BowieZ said: