Nintendo Big Jump with New Generation

[ahm998]

Nintendo trying really hard to make Wii U best consoles in Their history,and I will summary all negative & positive moves came from nintendo and make a point.

*Online Service.

+Voice chat in some games.
+free online play
+Nintendo ID
+Miiverse.
+Web Browser.
+Youtube support 1080p.
+TVii.
+Eshop.
+5$ for every 50$ buying from Eshop for premium pack.
+Download speed really good & Background downloading system, shut down downloading.
-No Cross chat & text play.
-Chat software only for chatting without play.
-No Achievement.
-No information for games user has it.
-No gift game by using Eshop to your friends.
-User backup for transfer to other consoles.
-No head Set speaker.

*DLC.

+DLC system good for old games because it's coming free.
- Missing DLC in many new games .
- taking long time to release and on same time with other.


*Local Multi-player.

+Gamepad used as 5th player nice idea.
+Many new idea for multiplayer
-Gamepad+Controller Pad Pro used for 2 player online.
-Co-op used with gamepad & Tv missing in so many games.

*Hardware.

+support 720p + 1080p is good.
+Good point for support external hard disk.
+support Wii software & Accessories.
+up to 25-50 GB Blueray.
+Good speed for IOS.
+Cross play with gamepad really nice.
+Nice Speakers & resolution for Gamepad.
+Very Comfort handle for gamepad.
+Very nice size for consoles & superp cooler system.
-No USB 3.0 ver.
-Lock region.
-Low Hard drive 8,32 GB.
-No LAN output.
-No Good upscaling for Wii games.
-Missing 3D in many many games.

*Software.

+Exellent support by first party.
+Good quality for multi games & better than other consoles sometimes.
+Many exclusive 3rd party games.
+Vitrtual Consoles.
+Many AA-AAA Eshop indie games.
+Wii U Panorama view.
-Blueray Player.
-Codc video player.
-Missing so many good multi games,Bad controlling for 3rd party.
-Late release for old port.
-No controlling in Eshop price for long time.
-Miss drawing app.

*Patch.

+You can download it in the background.
+Good time for installing.
-Many 3rd party ignore updating.

*Adversiting

+Eshop give good quality for Trailer & photo.
+Nintendo Direct good idea to be on Eshop.
+Indie developer really happy with Wii U and they are adversiting.
-No preorder with Discount or normal price by Eshop until now.
-Many complaning from 3rd party about Wii U.
-No Good Wii U advertising like old Wii.
-Very difficult to find trailers for old port or low budget games before release date.

Nintendo Jump was good this generation and will make very good sales & nice history.

By the way in the end i hope you give your comment in this thread to find out Nintendo How far Nintendo Jump.

Sorry for my bad english.

My point:

*Nintendo should make new team to control 3rd party.
*There should be team from nintendo organize DLC & release date for 3rd party because many month passes without games.
*Nintendo should update their game first to show 3rd party how far they are controlling DLC & patches.
*IOS big jump should be happened very soon to make 3rd party interested to developed games with cross chat & text specially for online gaming.
*Old port should be priced under 40$ and this should be ruled by nintendo.
*support all control type & TV-off play in all Wii U games and for old games they should release patches.

I will add more in my thread answering.

 

[ant1532]

ohhh geez

 

[michaelius]

And most of that to match what competitors had in 2007-2008

 

[AstroZombie]

And it was a big jump just to still be a generation behind Sony and MS.

Yay Nintendo.

*Graphical Processing Power

+It has graphics
-It's about on par with the consoles its competitors released 7-8 years ago

 

[Gori]

This list just made me realise how far behind Nintendo actually is.

 

[benny_a]

Nintendo trying really hard to make Wii U best consoles in Their history,and I will summary all negative & positive moves came from nintendo and make a point.

Nice summary but where is your point?

 

[ugly]

Nice summary but where is your point?

What do you mean this thread has shed new light on the Wii U for the people of Neogaf

 

[Jackano]

Too much "+", your thread will not be very successfull.

Seriously, they did work on several things but it's still late and not very well done (eg. awfull OS speed that takes 2 updates to -maybe- fix). If at least they were 6 or 12 months behind but providing perfectly designed, user-friendly functionnalities... But it's not. Even the virtual console restart from scratch, and at a fee.
Most of those are secondary objectives. Sadly, they still need to work on the primary objective (games).

 

[ahm998]

Nice summary but where is your point?

I will update my thread right now.

 

[MrBambinoDent]

Nice collection of info: )
I'm waiting for some kind of hardware refresh from Nintendo though!

 

[JordanN]

+Exellent support by first party.

Wait what? There's only been Nintendoland and New Super Mario Bros U so far and they're not really titles I see as being extraordinary or must haves (minigames and Wii up-port).

 

[benny_a]

I will update my thread right now.

Nintendo Jump was good this generation and will make very good sales & nice history.

No way.

I think that ship has sailed. It will be remembered as Nintendo's weakest performing console ever in the marketplace.

 

[IHaveCandy]

 

[Wafflecakes]

No way.

I think that ship has sailed. It will be remembered as Nintendo's weakest performing console ever in the marketplace.

That is ridiculous.

The ship has sailed on it outselling the Wii. It has not sailed on it being a success.

 

[qq more]

No way.

I think that ship has sailed. It will be remembered as Nintendo's weakest performing console ever in the marketplace.

That's honestly a bit too early to say. I mean I doubt it'll be near Wii levels, but there's a chance it can surpass the GC. We'll see though.

 

[benny_a]

That is ridiculous.

The ship has sailed on it outselling the Wii. It has not sailed on it being a success.

We need to define success. 70 million units WW? Outselling the GameCube in the same time frame?

That's honestly a bit too early to say. I mean I doubt it'll be near Wii levels, but there's a chance it can surpass the GC. We'll see though.

And Iwata said if all they are hoping to do is outsell the GameCube they are in the wrong business.
They can outsell the GC by just dropping the price over and over again and keeping it longer alive. That's not a success.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED NINTENDO

 

[Wafflecakes]

We need to define success. 70 million units WW? Outselling the GameCube in the same time frame?


And Iwata said if all they are hoping to do is outsell the GameCube they are in the wrong business.
They can outsell the GC by just dropping the price over and over again and keeping it longer alive. That's not a success.

Its too early period. There is no negotiating on that point.

I remember the same dumb statements about the 3DS.

 

[ahm998]

Wait what? There's only been Nintendoland and New Super Mario Bros U so far and they're not really titles I see as being extraordinary or must haves (minigames and Wii up-port).

Games release.

1-Super mario bros U.
2-Nintendoland.

Many good games announced in less than 1 year.

1-Warioware U.
2-Yoshi island U.
3-Zelda U.
4-Wind waker Remake.
5-Mario 3D.
6-Smash U.
7-X.
8-Fire Emlem X.
9-Mario Kart.
10-Bayonetta 2.
11-The wonderful 101.
12-Pikmin 3.
14-Luigi Bros.

 

[AstroZombie]

That's honestly a bit too early to say. I mean I doubt it'll be near Wii levels, but there's a chance it can surpass the GC. We'll see though.

From a standpoint of pure numbers, maybe it'll surpass the GCN. But from a market share standpoint (not including handhelds or mobile gaming)? lol no way.

 

[Cynar]

This list just made me realise how far behind Nintendo actually is.

Same, he didn't even mention the lack of headset support.

 

[abstract alien]

Oh geez, cut him some slack. The amount of threads we have right now that are repeating information and asking the same damn questions (how do you feel about DRM) are numerous to say the least.

On topic, I really want gifting back. Like, now.

 

[krypt0nian]

Done deal as far as a big seller. GCN sales territory is still possible, I suppose.

 

[StuBurns]

I don't think it'll ever take off, it's not going to get any third party support after this year.

 

[Satchel]

I love the WiiU. Wish people would stop hating on it. The reasons for the vitriol just seem so...banal.

 

[soxinthebox]

Well I'm convinced

 

[Freezie KO]

The online works really well. They finally got rid of friendcodes and the integration with Miiverse and all that is nice. So for that alone, good for Nintendo for taking a big jump for them.

 

[krypt0nian]

I love the WiiU. Wish people would stop hating on it. The reasons for the vitriol just seem so...banal.

Almost no 3rd party = banal?

 

[Sendou]

Almost no 3rd party = banal?

Well it IS a Nintendo home console.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Same, he didn't even mention the lack of headset support.

Lol

 

[Wafflecakes]

From a standpoint of pure numbers, maybe it'll surpass the GCN. But from a market share standpoint (not including handhelds or mobile gaming)? lol no way.

Why not? We have no clue what the Xbone/PS4 will sell. I personally am of the opinion that both will underperform compared to current gen..... in which case beating the GCN's market share won't be all that difficult.

 

[KillerTravis]

The only thing you are doing here is attracting the trolls lol.

 

[dampflokfreund]

That's honestly a bit too early to say. I mean I doubt it'll be near Wii levels, but there's a chance it can surpass the GC. We'll see though.

I don't think so. The Gamecube was at least a powerful console, Wii U is not.

 

[krypt0nian]

Well it IS a Nintendo home console.

True, but it's surely a worthy complaint.

 

[IrishNinja]

like a big, dumb, lovable elephant
i'm pretty excited when it wakes up from its nap, personally!

 

[Darryl]

the download system really is nice and up to date. downloads, patches, and installs everything in background without need for attention. that's more then i can say about my ps3 which needs to constantly update itself just so i can play ps2 games.

I don't think so. The Gamecube was at least a powerful console, Wii U is not.

nah wii u is about on-par with the gamecube. the ps3 and xbox 360 were just like a generation and a half leap at the time, eager to pump enough power into their console to just barely touch HD with their $599 price tag.

 

[Tookay]

Games release.

1-Super mario bros U.
2-Nintendoland.

Many good games announced in less than 1 year

A list of inevitable franchises isn't "excellent support." More first party titles should have been out by now.

I want Wii U to do well but you're not really making a compelling case here...

 

[FiveMinuteHero]

Somehow I cannot shake off the feeling that "powerwise" the Wii U will be the Wii of next-gen.

Also, unlike the Wii and motion control, Wii U gamepad has not exactly lighted the world on fire.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I don't think so. The Gamecube was at least a powerful console, Wii U is not.

...because power has correlated with sales since never?

 

[Satchel]

Almost no 3rd party = banal?

Maybe my perspective is skewed by being a multi console owner.

But Nintendo hasn't had 3 rd party support since the SNES really.

If you buy Nintendo consoles for third party games, you're doing it wrong.

 

[krypt0nian]

Maybe my perspective is skewed by being a multi console owner.

But Nintendo hasn't had 3 rd party support since the SNES really.

If you buy Nintendo console for third party games, you're doing it wrong.

That doesn't make it a "banal" complaint. And "Good luck with the games not made by Nintendo" is not a great marketing strat.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Maybe my perspective is skewed by being a multi console owner.

But Nintendo hasn't had 3 rd party support since the SNES really.

If you buy Nintendo console for third party games, you're doing it wrong.

Yeah. I understand the criticism from the public, but from GAMERS it is ridiculous. Nintendo's lack of 3rd party support for their consoles has little to no negative impact on the average Gaffer.

That doesn't make it a "banal" complaint.

Complaining about something that doesn't actually effect you (in all likelihood) does seem rather banal to me.

 

[FiveMinuteHero]

Maybe my perspective is skewed by being a multi console owner.

But Nintendo hasn't had 3 rd party support since the SNES really.

If you buy Nintendo consoles for third party games, you're doing it wrong.

.

 

[ahm998]

The online works really well. They finally got rid of friendcodes and the integration with Miiverse and all that is nice. So for that alone, good for Nintendo for taking a big jump for them.

they upgrading okay.....but still not controlling 3rd party, and so many engine not licensing by nintendo yet .

Okay i love my wii u and i have more than 24 games on it.

but come on online communication really old and has to get big update.

even DLC need to be followed by nintendo to fresh and update on same time with other.

Okay wii u graphics nice with other competitors right now but after 6 month we will be owned.

Nintendo should move quickly right now and not give the other consoles more chance to owned them this holiday season.

I wish nintendo heard their fans better and try to solve their problem as soon as possible.

 

[DangerousDave]

Games release.

1-Super mario bros U.
2-Nintendoland.

Many good games announced in less than 1 year.

1-Warioware U.
2-Yoshi island U.
3-Zelda U.
4-Wind waker Remake.
5-Mario 3D.
6-Smash U.
7-X.
8-Fire Emlem X.
9-Mario Kart.
10-Bayonetta 2.
11-The wonderful 101.
12-Pikmin 3.
14-Luigi Bros.

There is no way that Nintendo is able to launch all those years the first year of the console. Zelda U and Mario 3D won't be releasing soon.

 

[krypt0nian]

Complaining about something that doesn't actually effect you (in all likelihood) does seem rather banal to me.

I'm glad you decide who this affects.

Bottom line, it's not a banal complaint. No matter who you are. Stop trying to make it ok.

At the very best it shows Nintendo cannot be trusted ever again with comments regarding 3rd party release prospects.

 

[StuBurns]

Maybe my perspective is skewed by being a multi console owner.

But Nintendo hasn't had 3 rd party support since the SNES really.

If you buy Nintendo consoles for third party games, you're doing it wrong.

That's really not true. The GC had pretty good third party support. Certainly nothing compared to PS2, but it was far from ignored, and it had the best versions of many games.

 

[Sendou]

A list of inevitable franchises isn't "excellent support." I want Wii U to do well but you're not really making a compelling case here...

Kamiya's new IP, sequel to relatively niche action game, crossover between two favorite franchises nobody saw coming, sequel to the last new IP from Miyamoto after 9 years and Retro's game which can be anything. What exactly is inevitable here?

 

[Nikodemos]

I think Ninty can yet snatch victory from the jaws of defeat were they to implement live-instance virtual tabletop roleplaying. The GamePad would work pretty well as the Dungeon Master/Overseer/Controller's toolbox, with the other four players using conventional controllers. Of course, you'd need games that can be played adequately with a maximum of four players, but it's a manageable issue.
Sadly, I suspect such a notion is too radical for Nintendo upper management (composed of the worst possible executives in the world: late-middle-aged Japanese men), so I'm not sure we'll see anything like that. It would need a strong influx of European/US execs into the higher ranks, something the current leadership steadily refuses to accept.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I'm glad you decide who this affects.

Do you claim to only own a Nintendo console then (meaning lack of 3rd party support hurts you)? or am I right?

Seeing that you are posting in this thread on a gaming forum I am guessing that I know the answer.