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Sales-Age Nintendo crosses 800 million consoles sold, No. 1 console maker in the World

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Here are also the updated million sellers list. It includes top 10 best selling games and other games that sold more than 1 million during the quarter:

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – 37.08 million
Animal Crossing: New Horizons – 33.89 million
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate – 24.77 million
Zelda: Breath of the Wild – 23.20 million
Pokemon Sword/Shield – 21.85 million
Super Mario Odyssey – 21.40 million
Super Mario Party – 15.72 million
Pokemon: Let’s Go, Pikachu / Eevee – 13.57 milion
Splatoon 2 – 12.45 million
Ring Fit Adventure – 11.26 million
Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury – 6.68 million
New Pokemon Snap – 2.07 million
Mario Golf: Super Rush – 1.34 million
Miitopia – 1.04 million

Since last update, Switch has officially Outsold PS3. There are no gaming hardware that ended up between 90-100 million, so next in line are Wii at 101 million and PS1 at 102 million. Switch should reach those numbers by December 31 2021.
Can't believe some of these games sold so well, you know with all that online and social media backlash from the fans. ;)
 
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I've had all the Nintendo consoles over my lifetime, the Switch is all of them in one, I just wish we could get more older IP's like Windwaker. As somebody who always plays docked the reality that any time I want to just pick it up and go still blows my mind.
 

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So if you get rid of half of the consoles Nintendo's made 🤣 ?
Just realized that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has nearly become the best selling game in the series, Mario kart Wii sold 37,380 million copies, I know if you add the Wii U sales it's around 45,500 million, but it would be an amazing performance from the Switch version.
 
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Now to wait for the goalposts moving.
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I'm speaking to numbers posted by OP.

Sony will sell more than 800 million hardware units by the end of 2022.

And by March 2023, Sony will eclipse that even further, becoming the first console maker to sell a billion total hardware units.
Wait. Are you serious?
They need to sell 235 millions in a year and a half. They are producing around 20 milions per year. I suppose you can see something doesn't add up with your numbers.


I think the Ps5 will sell 200 million but not by the end of 2022.
Good luck with that. They haven't even matched PS4 numbers
 

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Wait. Are you serious?
They need to sell 235 millions in a year and a half. They are producing around 20 milions per year. I suppose you can see something doesn't add up with your numbers.



Good luck with that. They haven't even matched PS4 numbers
I thought they were still the fastest selling console ever, with only supply constraints holding them back.
 

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Wait. Are you serious?
They need to sell 235 millions in a year and a half. They are producing around 20 milions per year. I suppose you can see something doesn't add up with your numbers.
I'm completely serious. The demand for the PS5 is unprecedented and next year the global supply shortage should ease up significantly, allowing Sony to break record numbers.
 
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why is counting so hard for sony fans 94-83 is 11 or for the west 95-85 10 years, plus sony spent their way into healthy markets, number craved them out of non-existent and collapsed markets
 
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But contrary of Sony consoles, Nintendo ones keep working after all these years. PS1 dead. PS2 dead. PS3 ylod dead. People have to buy another and inflate the sales number for Sony... :messenger_tongue:
100 nintendo consoles have problems wii disk laser burns out to quick and joy con drift but sony does 0 QA on the 3rd or 2nd console revisions the amount of dead super slim ps3s is insane
 
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This thread is filled with these kind of comments, Sony fanboys are still the saddest fucks in the gaming industry at least they win at that.
(Not talking about Sony fans)
100 i think the funny part is when they come in a switch thread and try to shill the vita "had one since launch" and claim its still better then the switch the vita had about 0 support and most of its games got stuck in japan the library for it its the smallest library for a handheld gaming platform minus the special one off game editions the neogo had.
 
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I'm completely serious. The demand for the PS5 is unprecedented and next year the global supply shortage should ease up significantly, allowing Sony to break record numbers.
Not sure if you actually believe this or you are joking a little, but did you ever stop to consider when a product in demand and short supply, it makes it even more desirable, people want it and are scared they may not get one, this goes for all consoles, and add the fact we have been in a pretty much online sales environment for over a year now, and also it's pretty lucrative to buy and resell consoles, once the supply catches up wit demand the sales will always slow a little, the scalpers have no reason to keep buying and the retail customers are not as desperate because there are plenty of consoles to go round, of course the media does not help by reporting rumor after rumor of upcoming stock drops with links to all the retailers naturally. Not suggesting for a minute that the console will still not be insanely popular or win the current generation battle with Microsoft, but the ceiling is still a share of the 180 million or so core market.

The belief by some that is a console sold 10 million consoles like the PS5 for example, that it would have sold 30 million if consoles were available is just flawed logic, there are still limits to these things.
 
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Not sure if you actually believe this or you are joking a little, but did you ever stop to consider when a product in demand and short supply, it makes it even more desirable, people want it and are scared they may not get one, this goes for all consoles, and add the fact we have been in a pretty much online sales environment for over a year now, and also it's pretty lucrative to buy and resell consoles, once the supply catches up wit demand the sales will always slow a little, the scalpers have no reason to keep buying and the retail customers are not as desperate because there are plenty of consoles to go round. Not suggesting for a minute that the console will still not be insanely popular or win the current generation battle with Microsoft, but the ceiling is still a share of the 180 million or so core market.

The belief by some that is a console sold 10 million consoles like the PS5 for example, that it would have sold 30 million if consoles were available is just flawed logic, there are limits to these things.
I completely agree, but I'm not saying anything unreasonable here. Sony selling 200 million + consoles a year (given supply has caught up) is certainly doable in this day and age when there are so many thirsty gamers out there who had to suffer through the eighth generation going on for way too long.
 
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I completely agree, but I'm not saying anything unreasonable here. Sony selling 200 million + consoles a year (given supply has caught up) is certainly doable in this day and age when there are so many thirsty gamers out there who had to suffer through the eighth generation going on for way too long.
You are making the market way bigger than it actually is, check the data and console sales over the last two generations between Sony an Microsoft, it's around 180 million each and every time, you get a small core element but the majority are far more casual gamers, some simply grow out of it as younger gamers come in.

The statement Sony or any console manufacturer for that matter could sell 200 plus console a year, is not only impossible, but also insane.
 

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I completely agree, but I'm not saying anything unreasonable here. Sony selling 200 million + consoles a year (given supply has caught up) is certainly doable in this day and age when there are so many thirsty gamers out there who had to suffer through the eighth generation going on for way too long.
Wait... you are joking right?

Nintendo sold the most consoles in one year with Switch and the record was 28.8 million.
 
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It's their handhelds that is the real story. If you take only the home consoles, even including Switch, PlayStation is ahead by quite a lot, even with Nintendo's over decade head start.

But, Nintendo's handhelds have bern absolutely dominate ever since the GameBoy.

Did you also run the math to compare Sony vs Nintendo handhelds for the sake of fairness?
 

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...The Switch is of course a tough one, because their argument is made redundant by the fact it can be connected to a T.V, but the whole argument is moot in the first place.

The Switch is a handheld, what else could it be? It has a mobile cpu and gpu, it has a power consumption of a handheld, 17 Watts, maximum. It uses LPDDR which is meant for portable devices. It's light, it has its own LCD display, you can carry it around.

The thing is literally a portable chipset in a new casing, in what insane world is it not a handheld console? You might as well claim the the iPad is not a portable device. The only reason you think it's a "hybrid" is because you like Nintendo's marketing.
 
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The Switch is a handheld, what else could it be? It has a mobile cpu and gpu, it has a power consumption of a handheld, 17 Watts, maximum. It uses LPDDR which is meant for portable devices. It's light, it has its own LCD display, you can carry it around.

The thing is literally a portable chipset in a new casing, in what insane world is it not a handheld console? You might as well claim the the iPad is not a portable device. The only reason you think it's a "hybrid" is because you like Nintendo's marketing.

Mine has been in the dock for almost 3 years. It’s my only console. I play only on TV. The novelty of taking it anywhere wore off for me quite fast and I’m much more comfortable playing it on the TV with the pro controller.
 
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Mine has been in the dock for almost 3 years. It’s my only console. I play only on TV. The novelty of taking it anywhere wore off for me quite fast and I’m much more comfortable playing it on the TV with the pro controller.

Glad you enjoy that HDMI port, but the internal components haven't changed just because you don't disconnect it, it's still a handheld console.
 
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Glad you enjoy that HDMI port, but the internal components haven't changed just because you don't disconnect it, it's still a handheld console.

Your definition of what’s inside to define is as a handheld and not a hybrid is quite sad and almost 4 years late to the party. Tons of hardware use mobile parts, like oh I don’t know, Nvidia shield? It’s got an LCD and a battery..

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The Switch is a handheld, what else could it be? It has a mobile cpu and gpu, it has a power consumption of a handheld, 17 Watts, maximum. It uses LPDDR which is meant for portable devices. It's light, it has its own LCD display, you can carry it around.

The thing is literally a portable chipset in a new casing, in what insane world is it not a handheld console? You might as well claim the the iPad is not a portable device. The only reason you think it's a "hybrid" is because you like Nintendo's marketing.
The point I was trying to make was they are all consoles, and therefore are not that different, not that the distinction matters all that much in the first place, if you read my post I my issue was with people getting all caught up in the home vs handheld debate, and why any of this does not matter to console sales in the slightest, at best it's a distraction.
 
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Your definition of what’s inside to define is as a handheld and not a hybrid is quite sad and almost 4 years late to the party. Tons of hardware use mobile parts, like oh I don’t know, Nvidia shield? It’s got an LCD and a battery..

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And that's also a portable machine. I don't know what to say to that, that's like calling an iPad a desktop PC just because you can use a keyboard and mouse with it. A "hybrid" device doesn't exist, except in Nintendo's marketing.

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The point I was trying to make was they are all consoles, and therefore are not that different, not that the distinction matters all that much in the first place, if you read my post I my issue was with people getting all caught up in the home vs handheld debate, and why any of this does not matter to console sales in the slightest, at best it's a distraction.

They are not the same type of consoles, they don't play in the same market. It's low cost portable machine that the wider market only buys it to get the usual Nintendo exclusives: Mario Kart, Mario Platformer, Zelda. You can't compare it to the home console/PC market, the Switch is not a replacement good for a PS, Xbox or PC, it's an additional device to them. The type of games are different, prices of consoles/components are very different, form factor is different.
 
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Wait... you are joking right?

Nintendo sold the most consoles in one year with Switch and the record was 28.8 million.
Records are made to be broken.

And sometimes, they're meant to be shattered.

All it takes is the perfect storm of ability and opportunity, and right now Sony has a ripe opportunity to cash in.

Unfortunately, since the pandemic, Sony hasn't had the ability.

This will most likely change soon, as more chip foundries are being built worldwide as we speak.
 
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Did you also run the math to compare Sony vs Nintendo handhelds for the sake of fairness?
I just said Nintendo has completely dominated handhelds. It's not close. What is unfair about that?

Top 5 Home Consoles (not including current gen)
1. PS2
2. PS1
3. Wii
4. PS4
5. PS3

Top 5 Handhelds (not including current gen)
1. DS
2. GameBoy
3. GameBoy Advance
4. PSP
5. 3DS
 
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People on a budget have. People with limited financial resources and time have. You may not want to admit it, but these consumer products do occupy the same space in terms of competing for consumers and their limited budgets. This is reminicent of most console war arguments where someone tries to claim manufacturer X is not competing with manufacturer Y because manufacturer Y has a different marketing campaign or their demographic makeup varies. In a market of gaming specific hardware devices - game consoles - they're all competing for the same slice of the consumers finite money and time.

And trying to use a mobile phone as a strawman is a poor position. It's a device that can play games, not a device whose specific function is to play games. There is a very clear line there. Start muddying it like that and you're moving more towards discounting current consoles from the definition based on their media functionality and focus.

You're saying this like I was arguing the Switch is not a console; the Switch is a hybrid which means it dual-serves as a handheld and a console. But there is no reality where the GameBoy, GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance, Nintendo DS or even 3DS were competing in the same direct market segment as the Sega, Sony, Microsoft or even Nintendo home consoles of those generations, it's a bit silly to imply otherwise. Those handhelds needed specific resources for specific games usually developed with differing game design concepts and input methods compared to home consoles of those eras, and certain game genres either did not translate that well to those handhelds or were not present at all, in any serious capacity.

That's why I question throwing in those handhelds with consoles as if to imply they were competing over the exact same type of gamer. It's like trying to say the Wii was a direct competitor to 360 and PS3; it literally wasn't. The targeted audience was very different and most hardcore/core gamers picked up a Wii in addition to a 360 or PS3, which was much more common than them having a 360 and PS3 (at least for the first few years of that gen, especially in the US and UK).

By your notion of them deserving to be lumped in because they're competing for consumer time and budgets, again what acts as a major differentiation between something like a Switch and an iPhone? You're getting the same caliber of games (at least in terms of budgets and scale) on them both and in some cases iPhone games actually look and run better than similar types of games on the Switch. So for a device that admittedly isn't "specifically" designed to play games (which is misleading; it can be argued Nintendo's Switch is only specifically designed to play Nintendo's games given how many 3P games can't even run natively on the system without streaming), it can run a few of them better than the device that supposedly is?

Never mind that, again, the qualification of "designed to specifically play games" isn't a rational one these days because any modern gaming device that doesn't provide non-gaming features is going to look like a poor value proposition in the market and struggle to sell as well versus a device that can do more. Customers have higher baseline expectations now of what a gaming console should provide. We can discuss if this is something they naturally came to, or if it's something the platform holders trained the audience to expect over time, but that's what it is.

Arguably maybe the only way the idea of using "designed to specifically play video games" as a qualification can hold any water is if we're discussing it in relation to how companies market their devices. If that's the case, then yes I can agree those like Apple definitely don't sell/message their iPhones on their abilities as gaming devices. But should marketing angles really outweigh the true objective nature and capabilities of the device itself? No, not in my opinion at least.
 

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This is the usual incomplete number.
No, it's the one everyone everyone uses because it's the official one provided by Sega. It includes units manufactured by licensed companies like Majesco or Tectoy, and obviously doesn't include and shouldn't include pirate clones from chinese brands.

If you can provide a source with an official statement from Sega mentioning a higher number feel free to share it. All serious places will update their number and will stop saying MD sold that.
 
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And that's also a portable machine. I don't know what to say to that, that's like calling an iPad a desktop PC just because you can use a keyboard and mouse with it. A "hybrid" device doesn't exist, except in Nintendo's marketing.



They are not the same type of consoles, they don't play in the same market. It's low cost portable machine that the wider market only buys it to get the usual Nintendo exclusives: Mario Kart, Mario Platformer, Zelda. You can't compare it to the home console/PC market, the Switch is not a replacement good for a PS, Xbox or PC, it's an additional device to them. The type of games are different, prices of consoles/components are very different, form factor is different.
So what are you saying, is it you just want me to agree with you that all these devices are not in fact consoles, or that we should not be comparing sales between these slightly different gaming products, not sure where you want to go with all this, as I am well aware of the differences.
 

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Records are made to be broken.

And sometimes, they're meant to be shattered.

All it takes is the perfect storm of ability and opportunity, and right now Sony has a ripe opportunity to cash in.

Unfortunately, since the pandemic, Sony hasn't had the ability.

This will most likely change soon, as more chip foundries are being built worldwide as we speak.
In that case the Switch 2 is going to sell 300 million next generation, it's not the production of Sony consoles that's the issue with your lofty ambitious sales targets, it' the market is in no way big enough to support it, this may come as a shock to you but the dedicated video game market is pretty small, it's pretty lucrative but still very niche when compared to the mobile sector, well tiny in reality.
 
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The WiiU sold horribly so need to brag ok that front lol.
But combined with the 3DS is still decent numbers, but yes the Wii U was a failure that people seemed to like on here, can't get my head around why that would have been the case ;)
 

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You're saying this like I was arguing the Switch is not a console; the Switch is a hybrid which means it dual-serves as a handheld and a console. But there is no reality where the GameBoy, GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance, Nintendo DS or even 3DS were competing in the same direct market segment as the Sega, Sony, Microsoft or even Nintendo home consoles of those generations, it's a bit silly to imply otherwise. Those handhelds needed specific resources for specific games usually developed with differing game design concepts and input methods compared to home consoles of those eras, and certain game genres either did not translate that well to those handhelds or were not present at all, in any serious capacity.

That's why I question throwing in those handhelds with consoles as if to imply they were competing over the exact same type of gamer. It's like trying to say the Wii was a direct competitor to 360 and PS3; it literally wasn't. The targeted audience was very different and most hardcore/core gamers picked up a Wii in addition to a 360 or PS3, which was much more common than them having a 360 and PS3 (at least for the first few years of that gen, especially in the US and UK).

By your notion of them deserving to be lumped in because they're competing for consumer time and budgets, again what acts as a major differentiation between something like a Switch and an iPhone? You're getting the same caliber of games (at least in terms of budgets and scale) on them both and in some cases iPhone games actually look and run better than similar types of games on the Switch. So for a device that admittedly isn't "specifically" designed to play games (which is misleading; it can be argued Nintendo's Switch is only specifically designed to play Nintendo's games given how many 3P games can't even run natively on the system without streaming), it can run a few of them better than the device that supposedly is?

Never mind that, again, the qualification of "designed to specifically play games" isn't a rational one these days because any modern gaming device that doesn't provide non-gaming features is going to look like a poor value proposition in the market and struggle to sell as well versus a device that can do more. Customers have higher baseline expectations now of what a gaming console should provide. We can discuss if this is something they naturally came to, or if it's something the platform holders trained the audience to expect over time, but that's what it is.

Arguably maybe the only way the idea of using "designed to specifically play video games" as a qualification can hold any water is if we're discussing it in relation to how companies market their devices. If that's the case, then yes I can agree those like Apple definitely don't sell/message their iPhones on their abilities as gaming devices. But should marketing angles really outweigh the true objective nature and capabilities of the device itself? No, not in my opinion at least.

They are absolutely competing in the same market space as every other gaming console. People want to game, they have a finite budget, time and personal preferences pertaining to the form factor and gaming options offered and they make their purchasing decision based on those factors. Parents have limited money to buy their children a games console so will ask them which they want among ALL of the options. That IS reality. People have finite time and money for gaming and all of those dedicated gaming devices, regardless of form factor, are competing to fill that space.

And the argument about handhelds requiring specific resources for their own games with "differing design concepts and input methods" is nonesensical. All platforms have differing designs and input methods, From architecture to input options all consoles differ and often substantially so. Was the Wii not a console because the PS3 and Xbox used different input methods and hardware? Was the Megadrive not a console because it's architecture and controller layout differed so substantially from the SNES? No, of course not - but that's what you're trying to argue here.

And the Wii was a direct competitor to the PS3 and 360. The only people who claimed otherwise were salty fanboys who were reaching desperately for any excuse to discount the success of another platform despite the fact that they were all competing for the same market. There's no logic or rationality to your thinking here other than "got to think of a reason why rival console X's success doesn't count, because my precious must be "winning" "

And take issue with the description of a games console all you like, but the very definition of a games console is a computing system specifically designed to play video games. It's very simple and very applicable. It's also actually a definition, unlike anything you or the others trying to discount a large portion of gaming consoles have put forward. A games console is simply a computing device designed specifically to play video games. And yes, it does increasingly highlight that many modern gaming consoles are moving towards being media platforms rather than gaming consoles but that isn't to say they're there yet.
 
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handhelds aren't consoles.
Even more so when they are selling well, and define a console for me, or more specifically leaving power out of it, what are the main differences that actually do not make a handheld, Switch or others not consoles.
 
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So how is this thread going? The warriors are taking it in their usual gracious manner and congratulating Nintendo on the achievement I take it?
 
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They are absolutely competing in the same market space as every other gaming console. People want to game, they have a finite budget, time and personal preferences pertaining to the form factor and gaming options offered and they make their purchasing decision based on those factors. Parents have limited money to buy their children a games console so will ask them which they want among ALL of the options. That IS reality. People have finite time and money for gaming and all of those dedicated gaming devices, regardless of form factor, are competing to fill that space.

And the argument about handhelds requiring specific resources for their own games with "differing design concepts and input methods" is nonesensical. All platforms have differing designs and input methods, From architecture to input options all consoles differ and often substantially so. Was the Wii not a console because the PS3 and Xbox used different input methods and hardware? Was the Megadrive not a console because it's architecture and controller layout differed so substantially from the SNES? No, of course not - but that's what you're trying to argue here.

And the Wii was a direct competitor to the PS3 and 360. The only people who claimed otherwise were salty fanboys who were reaching desperately for any excuse to discount the success of another platform despite the fact that they were all competing for the same market. There's no logic or rationality to your thinking here other than "got to think of a reason why rival console X's success doesn't count, because my precious must be "winning" "

And take issue with the description of a games console all you like, but the very definition of a games console is a computing system specifically designed to play video games. It's very simple and very applicable. It's also actually a definition, unlike anything you or the others trying to discount a large portion of gaming consoles have put forward. A games console is simply a computing device designed specifically to play video games. And yes, it does increasingly highlight that many modern gaming consoles are moving towards being media platforms rather than gaming consoles but that isn't to say they're there yet.
Love the way the argument has shifted to what people expect the baseline of a console to be, so as customers expect/demand more from their consoles then only powerful dedicated machines are classed as such, the huge whole in this argument is you then have to then have to forget all the older home consoles, as they do not now conform to these ever changing ambitions, total lunacy if you ask me.
 

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So how is this thread going? The warriors are taking it in their usual gracious manner and congratulating Nintendo on the achievement I take it?
Well it's going just about as well as could be expected, certainly entertaining, we should all do this more often. ;)
 
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Love the way the argument has shifted to what people expect the baseline of a console to be, so as customers expect/demand more from their consoles then only powerful dedicated machines are classed as such, the huge whole in this argument is you then have to then have to forget all the older home consoles, as they do not now conform to these ever changing ambitions, total lunacy if you ask me.

I'm amazed that we've somehow managed to drag up the old "Wii doesn't count versus PS3 and Xbox 360" malarky from all those years ago. As if that doesn't perfectly demonstrate the whole "X doesn't count because it's can't be better than my precious" mentality in the console wars perfectly.

The logic leaps used to move the goalposts are fascinating. Nevermind that they inevitably fall apart when put into context against past generations or even against current market activity or products.
 
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