But that's the point, having both was getting superfluous, the big press event was an aging setup that was getting more and more ridiculous every year.
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Nintendo ditches main E3 conference, still there with games, press events, N-Direct
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But that's the point, having both was getting superfluous, the big press event was an aging setup that was getting more and more ridiculous every year.
Careful. I don't think Smoky Dave wants to be associated with this.
Petrae
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Same here. I bought every Nintendo home console at launch since the SNES until the Wii U did absolutely nothing for me as a consumer. Launch titles had a lot to do with that:
SNES - Super Mario World, F-Zero
N64 - Super Mario 64
Gamecube - Rogue Leader
Wii - Wii Sports
Wii U - (nothing)
Identity crisis isn't a problem for me. I know what Wii U is. I saw it at the last two E3 events. I tried it. Nothing clicked at all, let alone nothing clicking for a fat $350. Nintendo couldn't sell me on it, and that's a first.
If that really was the case they could have just kept few last Directs little drier and then show those games at E3.
Meccanical
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Nintendo confirmed for going third party.
They could have waited to announce X, 3D Mario, Wind Waker Wii U, Link to the Past 2, Yoshi's Island 2, Pokemon X/Y, then shown off Smash Bros, Mariokart Wii U and a couple of more surprises, that sounds like a solid E3 to me. They clearly aren't interested in holding everything back for one big conference release anymore.
Zen_Arcade
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E3 just isn't good for gamers anymore. These press conferences have been horrible with a few diamonds in the rough. Last year all people were doing after E3 was talking about how bad the big 3 did and how Ubisoft won the show. If Sony and Microsoft weren't announcing new consoles this year all people would be talking about how low their expectations are after last years E3.
The conferences have drifted off from what we as video game enthusiasts want from E3.
Too many sales numbers, charts and shitty celebrities talking about how much they love games. This way everything is sectioned off into seperate events tailored for specific people. Investors get the numbers, journalists get hands on with upcoming games to tell us their impressions and we get more videos showcasing what we wanted out of E3 anyway. Games.
Sure, we don't have the pomp and
circumstance of an E3 event, and that's a little disappointing; but after the past couple years I don't even know if I want it anymore if it means I get a conference that's 40% sales charts, 40% game announcements and
20% Usher dancing.
If that's what E3 is going to be about now then I hope Nintendos method of cutting out all the bullshit works and Sony and Microsoft follow suit. They're already doing it by not even waiting for E3 to announce their consoles, and the PS4 reveal has was better
then any recent E3 presentation by any company.
Jmanunknown
Member
So basically nintendo is replacing their E3 press conference with smaller nintendo directs. I wonder if this will work for them? I'm more interested to see if they get more third party support for the WiiU.
Zen_Arcade
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All of those things still happend during Nintendo Directs and the PS4 reveal. Its where we got things like Year of WeeGee and the developer of InFamous staring off sadly into the distance.
But Nintendo directs do those. Or have you forgotten the whole Bayonetta 2 situation already?
Can't compare a presser to a pre recorded video. I must admit a pre recorded video gets the information out better. But a presser is more hype. Sony's PS4 event was a presser and that was hype. Same with the PS3 reveal. MS pre recorded MTV 360 reveal wasn't as hype and same with Nintendo Directs. I'd much rather have one big presser at E3 from Nintendo.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't think you were here for the shitstorm that was the Bayonetta 2 Wii U exclusive reveal. Live may be more entertaining for the audience sitting in the crowd, but we at home are getting the same information at the same time the people there live are either way.
Being in a Nintendo Direct thread during the first airing of the Direct is exactly the same as watching Reggie on a stage live at E3. I understand your personal preference of one big extravaganza, but the shitstorms and entertaining memes are going to come either way, and considering the quality of recent E3s it seems like a good idea to flip the script and try a new format.
Zoramon089
Banned
I would say the PS4 reveal had more hype because they invited 1200 people and hyped it, not because it was live...
Pancakes R Us
Member
Ditto for me. As a life long Nintendo fan, I see no value in Wii whatsoever. And if they can't sell people like me on it (the only non Nintendo system I own is a PSP), I don't think they have much hope. It's a sad state of affairs when your core fans are ditching you. It's about time something like this happened to Nintendo though. Hopefully it sees the error of its ways.
Calamari41
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Nintendo has gotten more hype from their Nintendo Directs so far this year than they get from the average E3 conference. The major media will still get their meetings with Nintendo, still get to play the games, etc etc. They just won't have to sit there and watch Ursher dance for 10 minutes. Well, they still will because that's what Microsoft is going to do... but you get the point.
The thing that everybody here wants to see is the part where the lights dim, a big screen drops down, and a trailer starts. The only difference now is that you won't hear a room gasping. And you won't have to sit through 45 minutes of pie charts beforehand, either.
The thing that everybody here wants to see is the part where the lights dim, a big screen drops down, and a trailer starts. The only difference now is that you won't hear a room gasping. And you won't have to sit through 45 minutes of pie charts beforehand, either.
Acquiescence
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The Playstation Meeting event WAS a press conference, and it delivered in the way a press conference should, with megatons and hilarious gifs.
And I don't know what Year of Weegee is.
I found out about Bayonetta 2 from a NeoGaf thread, which was about the most anti-climactic way possible. I'm not a Nintendo enthusiast, so I don't bother watching those Direct vids that seem aimed squarely toward fans. Pre-recorded videos don't carry the same weight of hype and exposure that a E3 press conference does, where I have to watch the live stream regardless of the company, because there's a buzz surrounding those things that just cannot be ignored.
Elwood Blues
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Are you any more or less likely to buy Bayonetta 2 based off the way you found out about it?
Point being you found out about the game one way or another. The buzz around a certain presentation is one thing, but the actual news is another, and will reach the audience it aims for anyway.
Zen_Arcade
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My point wasn't that all press conferences are bad. My point was we don't need E3 for these announcements and reactions anymore. PS4's conference wasn't amazing because it was a press conference, it was amazing because it cut out most of the bullshit that comes with an E3 conference now and focused primarily on games.
It was catered to us, which is exactly what Nintendo Directs do. The only difference is
its not live on a stage with people watching. E3 hasn't been catering towards the core gamer for years.
Zoramon089
Banned
If the Nintendo Direct goes up at the exact same time as the press conference would, tell me, what the difference would be for you
Acquiescence
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No, one is more likely to buy it based on whether you they know it exists or not. That's why E3 helps.
Of course I found out about it, considering how much I browse NeoGaf. But like I said, a Nintendo Direct vid doesn't provide nearly the same amount of exposure as an E3 press conference; that's why they're important. What good is "actual news" if that news doesn't reach as many people as it could have done.
And I don't give a shit either way, because I fucking hated Bayonetta.
PuppetMaster
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As someone who does not watch Nintendo directs, I was looking forward to their annual "state of the union" type presentation.
All this is going to do is make Nintendo drop even further off my radar.
All this is going to do is make Nintendo drop even further off my radar.
NeoGaf members are bad examples to prove your point. How is it going to reach Joe consumer?
Calamari41
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Certainly not via an E3 conference. Go ask some "Joe consumers" which games they bought because of last year's E3 conference, and what they're looking forward to seeing from this year's E3.
Acquiescence
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We must be remembering things differently, because from what I recall, there was still a lot of bullshit inherent in the Playstation Meeting event. There were good aspects to it, there were aspects that were awry to the point of being comical, but in the end that's all part and parcel of a live event, and the excitement was palpable. It felt very much like an E3 conference to me.
Me, personally, no difference. Makes a difference for Nintendo though.
This is exactly my stance.
Zen_Arcade
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That's why they're holding special events for the media. Do you really think the majority of people that find out information from E3 find it out live when its happening? It's in the middle of the week in the middle of the day.
The only people who watch it live are the unemployed, the people who work late hours and the people who take off work for it. The majority of people are going to get the news the same way they always have, by word of mouth of the press. Who again, they are holding a special show for for that exact reason.
This got me.
The fact the expo needs to clarify nintendo is even coming... geez. This could have been communicated much better on nintendo's part, as always nintey.
The games they produce want me to say they can do no harm, which is something i used to say about sega, but truly...
There has to be major pressure on the titles we know about in development. HD zelda, smash and whatever mario 3D wiiu will be. I worry to an extent about pokemon x/y and what the end product will be like. I trust nintendo out of most publishers to manage a rushed window with quality but you have to wonder.
And as if you had a reason to think otherwise, this really kills any of my hopes of a 3rd party announcement worth a damn. At this point im just praying one of the JP pubs has a surprise coming between now and TGS.
The games they produce want me to say they can do no harm, which is something i used to say about sega, but truly...
There has to be major pressure on the titles we know about in development. HD zelda, smash and whatever mario 3D wiiu will be. I worry to an extent about pokemon x/y and what the end product will be like. I trust nintendo out of most publishers to manage a rushed window with quality but you have to wonder.
And as if you had a reason to think otherwise, this really kills any of my hopes of a 3rd party announcement worth a damn. At this point im just praying one of the JP pubs has a surprise coming between now and TGS.
Zoramon089
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Good thing they're holding a smaller event with demos tailored specifically for the press...seriously people need to read. It's literally in the thread title!
Elwood Blues
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Commercials on the TV like every product.
If you want someone to beat the opposition with, you book Chris brown to perform at your conference, Usher is so early 2000s
I think Nintendo's trying a social media play here, considering every Direct has had 1-2 worldwide trending Twitter topics. That gets a lot of the casual audience knowing something's up.
Hell, Bravely Default trended worldwide for a while during the 4/17 Direct. Even our resident dirt sheet writer impersonators know that's a big deal.
This doesn't make any sense. You're either interested in what Nintendo are up to, or you're not. If you are, watch the Directs. If you're not, what difference does it make if they hold a conference or not?
You too.
They read about E3 through the mainstream press. We'll have to wait and see how that works out for them.
Obviously I'm referring to E3, but hey, maybe Nintendo should look into this TV thing.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
#NextBox and #PS4 will already be dominating the gaming-related tweets.
Zoramon089
Banned
Good thing they're having a press event specifically for press to play games, right? Oh wait. I forgot some people are incapable of even reading the titles of threads they're posting in...
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Only if Nintendo are stupid enough to hold their Directs the same day of the reveals. Which I really doubt they are.
Calamari41
41 > 38
As has been said countless times, they are still holding full press meetings. We just won't be able to watch them live on our work computers at 10 AM on a Wednesday.
thecouncil
Banned
No room left for any other tweets.
Yeah, that's what baffles me at the moment... What's hard to understand in the thread title? Please, someone who doesn't understand, tell me what's wrong in Nintendo's message?
All the more reason to ditch silly press conferences. Good move by Nintendo.
Elwood Blues
Member
My point is that e3 isn't important to the average consumer. I may be wrong but I don't even think Rockstar shows up at all, and there definitely not at conferences (Agent logo doesn't count). But when they release a trailer for GTA people know regardless, and people definitely buy it regardless of it not being at e3.
PuppetMaster
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I think what I am trying to say is thay e3 conferences are for ALL GAMERS. It does not matter if you were currently gaming primarily on other platforms. The E3 conference is when gamers got the basic roadmaps of all 3 platform holders.
On the ther hand, Nintendo directs and other smaller events have always been more of a "circle jerk" in that they cater almost exclusively to existing fans.
And the danger here in not doing a e3 conference is that as their fan base shrinks, less and less people are going to care about them as a platform.
On the ther hand, Nintendo directs and other smaller events have always been more of a "circle jerk" in that they cater almost exclusively to existing fans.
And the danger here in not doing a e3 conference is that as their fan base shrinks, less and less people are going to care about them as a platform.
Zoramon089
Banned
Okay. Think of it this way. Most people watch E3 conferences through each companies own stream, or streams from the other big gaming sites. If Nintendo's Direct or whatever is being streamed by these sites at the same time, how does that affect the end user (gamers) from learning about what they have to say? It doesn't. It's the same, minus the ridiculousness and wasted time conferences normally have
This is what I don't get.. the only thing I will worry about is dedicated TV time
I think seeing it advertised on SpikeTV or G4.. allowed a certain set of curious eyes to wander across it.. if they miss that TV time could bite em in the arse.
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