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Nintendo earnings result: 24.45m Wii and 70.60m DS!

Vagabundo

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Culex said:
The Reuters article points out that Nintendo's market cap is now 81 Billion dollars. Holy shit!

Also, they are planning on pumping out 2.4 million Wii's per month soon.
That is 28.8 million per year. If they can do it soon I think they will sell that many. By the end of 2008 they will be somewhere between 40-50 million LTD.

NPD software will get interesting then...
 

farnham

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Phife Dawg said:
First reception of the DS was very mediocre here in Germany, which is quite funny seeing how it's an absolute runaway success now.
no wonder they charged (and are still charging) 40 euros for DS games (bastards)
 

Phife Dawg

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no wonder they charged (and are still charging) 40 euros for DS games (bastards)
Yeah, although there's already "Software Pyramide" for DS. You can look it up here. All games are 20€, they have stuff like Sonic Rush, CV DoS.

You can get Wii and DS software online for cheap prices usually but in the shops it's a different story altogether. Most Wii games are at least 50€, a lot of them 60€. They pretty much match PS360 in that regard - mindblowing.
 

farnham

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Phife Dawg said:
Yeah, although there's already "Software Pyramide" for DS. You can look it up here. All games are 20€, they have stuff like Sonic Rush, CV DoS.

You can get Wii and DS software online for cheap prices usually but in the shops it's a different story altogether. Most Wii games are at least 50€, a lot of them 60€. They pretty much match PS360 in that regard - mindblowing.
i know that man... i live in germany

might buy star wars III and chocobo for DS

20 euros aint that bad
 

radjago

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It's ridiculous how uninvested Nintendo is in the marketplace. They're almost archaic in their methods. If the whole of the electronics industry were to mysteriously crash tomorrow, Microsoft, Sony, and most consumer electronics companies you can think of will shrivel and die, while Nintendo will be like an unemployed adolescent of an old-money family -- living off the reserves for a long, long time.
Except that Microsoft is primarily a software company and they have much more in reserve than Nintendo can ever dream of just selling gaming hardware and software.
 

Htown

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They didn't say which ones. Only that the number includes licensee (aka third party) games as well as Nintendo ones.
 

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radjago said:
Except that Microsoft is primarily a software company and they have much more in reserve than Nintendo can ever dream of just selling gaming hardware and software.
You forgot the part where MS's home console division is bleeding money out of every orifice.

Do we even have any solid numbers on how hard a loss they're taking with the 360?
 

Dies Iræ

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radjago said:
Except that Microsoft is primarily a software company and they have much more in reserve than Nintendo can ever dream of just selling gaming hardware and software.
Microsoft's position as a software giant means that they have less desire and need to invest in the 360. Further, they have financial obligations in many different sectors.

On the other hand, Nintendo's sole commitment is to their success in the video gaming industry. I would bet that their war chest is nearing, if not already surpassing, that of Microsoft's.
 

Slavik81

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Dies Iræ said:
Microsoft's position as a software giant means that they have less desire and need to invest in the 360.
Actually, their present crumbling position is causing a scramble to diversify their revenue stream beyond Office and Windows.
 

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And DS... take over PS2 in 2010? Before?
PS2 is still selling. So the DS won't pass it before 2010 if it does eventually pass it.

30M DS's sold this fiscal year will give it 100M units LTD by the end of March 09. Another 30M in the following year will put the DS LTD at 130M by the end of March 2010.

The PS2 hit the 120M shipment number last fall. There's no way that it won't be over 130M in two more years considering it is still selling pretty well everywhere except Japan.

I think the DS's final LTD numbers are still heavily reliant on how long Nintendo waits to release its next handheld. If the "DS2" isn't released until the end of 2010 or in 2011, I think that the DS will almost certainly overtake the PS2 to be the best selling videogame system ever. If Nintendo releases another handheld be the end of 2009, or in early 2010, than maybe not.
 

leroy hacker

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A friend of mine.. who was no gamer at all... just bought a wii (his bro is a hardcore PC gamer... he is going to buy a wii soon) for wii sports and excite truck..
Excite! Your friend has good taste.
 

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Holy Zeus, that's a helluva lot of profit. As others have mentioned, I'm happy to see the only pure game company in the race doing so well and expanding the market in the way that it is. It's nice to be able to talk to practically anyone about gaming and not seem completely out of touch, considering damn near everyone I know now owns a Wii and/or DS.

Also: There is something both haunting and damned cool about borrowing a game from your parents. If this hasn't happened to you yet, just wait. It's an interesting experience, particularly if your parents were like mine in yesteryears saying that gaming was a poor hobby.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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Code:
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
I stole this from Foxhimself, who stole it from Bycha. Damn. I seem to remember last years profits where record setting. Um, Nintendo owned themselves?
 

jarrod

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26 games sold over a million? Which?
Looking at tracking data/PR/historical trends, I'd guess...


01 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Nintendo)
02 Carnival Games (2K)
03 Dragonball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Bandai/Atari)
04 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Activision)
05 Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Lucasarts)
06 Link's Crossbow Training (Nintendo)
07 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega/Nintendo)
08 Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
09 Mario Strikers Charged (Nintendo)
10 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo)
11 MySims (EA)
12 Pokemon Battle Revolution (Pokemon/Nintendo)
13 Rayman Raving Rabbids (Ubisoft)
14 Red Steel (Ubisoft)
15 Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition (Capcom)
16 Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (Capcom)
17 Sonic and the Secret Rings (Sega)
18 Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
19 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (Sega)
20 Super Paper Mario (Nintendo)
21 Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo)
22 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
23 WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
24 Wii Fit (Nintendo)
25 Wii Play (Nintendo)
26 Wii Sports (Nintendo)
 

Stumpokapow

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You can see the list here
Not that the list is wrong, but the citations there are pretty silly. This site is a source for several of those third-party figures... which doesn't cite any of its own figures or give a date that it's true as of. It also only lists 21 games. It also includes Link's Crossbow Training which AFAIK is being counted everywhere, including internally, as an accessory rather than a game (Wii Play by contrast is being counted as a game)

Edit: I'd be inclined to go with jarrod's list there. He's got a good head on his shoulders.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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Stumpokapow said:
Not that the list is wrong, but the citations there are pretty silly. This site is a source for several of those third-party figures... which doesn't cite any of its own figures or give a date that it's true as of. It also only lists 21 games. It also includes Link's Crossbow Training which AFAIK is being counted everywhere, including internally, as an accessory rather than a game (Wii Play by contrast is being counted as a game)
Stump, check your PM.
 

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Hey, does this list Nintendo's forecast for the games coming out the rest of the year like the April-September 2007 one? Or does that come out later in the week. Sorry, I am firewalled where I am now, so I can't check my self.
 

charlequin

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In my experience it's always been people who have maintained interest in videogames yet felt isolated from the hardcore demographic they traditionally pandered to.
Inasmuch as someone who played videogames on the NES hasn't bought any system since, bringing them into the fold is expanding the market.

Son of Godzilla said:
Well that's the thing though. In my exprience, anyone who sees the light due to Wii Sports or what have you would just as easily fall in love with something like Rock Band.
Sure. I hope no one would actually argue this. Sony was actually successfully targeting this exact market before Nintendo in Europe with Buzz and Singstar. The difference now is:

a) The Wii actively markets to this audience.

b) The Wii comes set up out of the box for this audience to "get" the experience they want, and

c) The Wii has a cheaper total buy-in.

(Plus Guitar Hero and soon Rock Band are available on the Wii too now.)

kswiston said:
If Nintendo releases another handheld be the end of 2009
What on earth could possess them to do a crazy thing like that? :D
 

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Code:
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
I stole this from Foxhimself, who stole it from Bycha. Damn. I seem to remember last years profits where record setting. Um, Nintendo owned themselves?
Nintendo just made more profit in one FY than Sony* has in 10 years. Ahhhhhhhhhhh, wut?

INSANE.

*Sony's gaming division of course, lawl.
 

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I want DS2 to either have two touchscreens, two touchscreens that are so close to each other they appear to be one touchscreen, or one big touchscreen. Although, if it only had one big touchscreen, they couldn't call it "DS".

I also hope they ditch the dpad. DS shouldn't of had a dpad in the first place since it only slowed devs acceptance of trying new game ideas.
 

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Vieo said:
I want DS2 to either have two touchscreens, two touchscreens that are so close to each other they appear to be one touchscreen, or one big touchscreen. Although, if it only had one big touchscreen, they couldn't call it "DS".

I also hope they ditch the dpad. DS shouldn't of had a dpad in the first place since it only slowed devs acceptance of trying new game ideas.
The best DS games were made after devs dropped the "Must do something with touch and dual screen" rule.
 

brain_stew

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skinnyrattler said:
FoxHimself said:
Code:
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
I stole this from Foxhimself, who stole it from Bycha. Damn. I seem to remember last years profits where record setting. Um, Nintendo owned themselves?
So Nintendo made more money this last year than Sony did this last decade? Damn, Microsoft and Sony really need to learn how to be profitable in the videogame business from Nintendo, they're experts at it.
 

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I'm not sure how it could be worked out but I would want the next 'DS' to have one big ass touch screen. It would be equal to 2 of the DS' touchscreens. Just eliminate that gap. Of course, something remotely in the vacinity of GCN hardware wise
 
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brain_stew said:
So Nintendo made more money this last year than Sony did this last decade? Damn, Microsoft and Sony really need to learn how to be profitable in the videogame business from Nintendo, they're experts at it.
Nintendo is a damn clever little operation. Their business philosophy is of the sort that you cannot lose if you rig the table, and they always do.
 

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brain_stew said:
skinnyrattler said:
So Nintendo made more money this last year than Sony did this last decade? Damn, Microsoft and Sony really need to learn how to be profitable in the videogame business from Nintendo, they're experts at it.

MS got into the game because they feared the Playstation was gonna become the defacto set-top box of the future and cut them out of the game. Nintendo's direction this gen hardly threatens that. Whether that's stupid or not, who knows. But that's their motivation. That set-top boxes are gonna print money in the future and they want their stake in it.
 
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MisterHero

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Nintendo is a damn clever little operation. Their business philosophy is of the sort that you cannot lose if you rig the table, and they always do.
Nintendo = James T. Kirk beating the Kobiyashi Maru Simulation

?
 

sonycowboy

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skinnyrattler said:
Code:
FY*       Sony**        Nintendo        Microsoft
1998    974,000,000    629,000,000
1999   1,130,000,000   645,000,000
2000    730,000,000    421,000,000
2001    -409,000,000   726,000,000
2002    623,000,000    800,000,000     -750,000,000
2003    939,000,000    560,000,000     -1,191,000,000
2004    650,000,000    316,000,000     -1,215,000,000
2005    404,000,000    777,000,000     -485,000,000
2006    75,000,00      894,000,000     -1,262,000,000
2007   -1,969,000,000  1,489,000,000   -1,892,000,000
2008   -965,000,000    2,480,000,000   532,000,000      
                  
Totals  2,182,000,000  9,737,000,000   -6,263,000,000
I stole this from Foxhimself, who stole it from Bycha. Damn. I seem to remember last years profits where record setting. Um, Nintendo owned themselves?
Who, stole it from me :D

I remember putting that together say 2 years ago. It was a bit more in Sony's favor back then ;)

However, a cautionary note, is that converting to dollars is inherently a problematic operation as currency fluctuates greatly, not only on a daily basis, but certainly over a fiscal year's timeframe.
 
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Nintendo sales up 73% for the year


Nintendo has reported its full year financial results, with a strong showing on the back of high sales figures, as expected.

The company saw sales jump 73 per cent across the fiscal year, while operating income was up 115.6 per cent and profit up 47.7 per cent.

Total sales therefore amounted to JPY 1.67 trillion (USD 16.1 billion), with profit hitting JPY 257 billion (USD 2.48 billion), fuelled by the sales of over 30 million Nintendo DS consoles, and almost 19 million Wii consoles.

DS titles Pokemon Diamond and Pearl shifted almost 10 million units between them, while the Brain Training titles hit almost 12 million. Wii Fit and Super Smash Bros Brawl featured highly on the Wii titles list.

But despite the strong results, the company has only forecast only a 7.6 per cent increase in sales for the next fiscal year, to JPY 1.8 trillion (USD 17.3 billion), with a 26.3 per cent rise to JPY 325 billion (USD 3.13 billion) in profits.

One of the key reasons for the modest forecast is down to overarching economic conditions, with a strengthening Yen expected to hit Nintendo's numbers in the next year, thanks to over 80 per cent of company income coming outside of Japan.
Nintendo still remains very conservative for the next fiscal year.
 

sonycowboy

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Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Nintendo still remains very conservative for the next fiscal year.
Of course, that 7.6% is in relation to this years insane sales level of 30M DS and 19M Wii's as well as the 26 million sellers. It still means they expect insane sales levels to climb a bit.
 
There are more Wiis available than any near-launch home console ever.

Wii passes GameCube worldwide.

Since last time, GBASP Americas hardware shipments apparently regressed by 0.01 million.

In a come-from-behind, the Americas now lead Japan in DS shipments by 0.01 million, too. Europe still leads, though.

More (tiny) GameCube shipments? This strikes me as odd. For the previous six quarters it was stuck at 4.02 million for Japan, but now it's at 4.04. For the previous five quarters it was stuck at 4.76 million for Europe, but now it's at 4.77. On the other hand, this is the first time there hasn't been an increase in the Americas.

Comparing Wii to PS2's early production shipments in individual territories...

Japan essentially a tie
Wii passes PS2 in NA, but it's still close
PS2 leads in Europe, but again it's really close

Really it's essentially a tie in every single one, though that it's "shipped to retailers" versus "production shipments" probably gives Wii the edge.
cvxfreak said:
DS is going to surpass the GBA soon. :O
Collision course.
test_account said:
The DS is selling fairly equal in all territories :)
Very. Could be the most evenly split any system has been, though I'm not backing that up with research.

Firestorm said:
So yeah it's not a failure at least. And the DS is going to pass the GBA soon and probably the PS2 once all is said and done.
It's worth noting DS is probably about where the pre-Color Game Boy left off, though since they listed them combined it's hard to say where one ends. GB was at 64.42 million the March before Color launched, and 77.41 million the March after Color launched.
_Alkaline_ said:
Just check out the european GC numbers compared to the Wii one. In just one and a half years.

Crazy, crazy stuff.
Ha, yes. It's just a shade (600K) short of passing up NES and SNES, too.
 

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brain_stew said:
So Nintendo made more money this last year than Sony did this last decade? Damn, Microsoft and Sony really need to learn how to be profitable in the videogame business from Nintendo, they're experts at it.
That's a pretty amazing (and obviously alarming for Sony) stat.
 

Vinci

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I love how I can always count on JJSlone to provide such awesome summaries and charts of the financials of these companies. Screw the analyst posers.

You're awesome, man.

EDIT:

PS, Nintendo: Buy Ueda from Sony. Seriously. You'd make my life that much easier.
 

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I noticed something strange:

GBA Americas as of 31st December 07: 41,65 millions
GBA Americas as of 31st March 08: 41,64 millions

It's also strange that Nintendo shipped 120k GBA and 20k GCN to Japan in the 4th quarter. They are selling next to nothing weekly.
 

kswiston

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DarkMehm said:
I noticed something strange:

GBA Americas as of 31st December 07: 41,65 millions
GBA Americas as of 31st March 08: 41,64 millions

It's also strange that Nintendo shipped 120k GBA and 20k GCN to Japan in the 4th quarter. They are selling next to nothing weekly.
Some of that could have been rounding errors in previous reports. 10k units out of over 41M isn't exactly a big deal.
 

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Thanks to Anihawk and others:

GBA (all versions): 81.06m
NA: 41.64m
Japan: 16.88m
Other: 22.53m

Gamecube: 21.74m
NA: 12.94m
Japan: 4.04m
Other: 4.77m

Should be the final numbers for both.

Current hardware LTD:
NDS: 70.60m
NA: 22.39m
Japan: 22.38m
Other: 25.82m

Wii: 24.45m
NA: 10.61m
Japan: 5.90m
Other: 7.94m


Wii Forecast for the next FY: 25m
DS Forecast for the next FY: 28m

Wii Software forecast for the next FY: 177m
DS software forecast for the next FY: 187m

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl: 14.77 million
Brain Age 1 and 2 (combined): 23.81 million

DS has 57 million-selling games (LTD). As of last year, there were 30.

Smash Bros Brawl: 4.85 million as of March 31

There are 26 million-sellers on the Wii.


http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/index.html
Really? That is a crazy figure and way higher than I expected.
 

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Note that these numbers put the Wii as producing 2.08 million consoles per month, a boost from the previous number of 1.8 million.

Let's see how those extra 200K consoles per month help things.
They will sell out, obv.