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Nintendo France sales expectations

spekkeh

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I hope he has more than Wii preorder figures, because preorder culture wasn't nearly as strong back then. Didn't Wii U sell significantly more on launch day than Wii too? (though admittedly Wii was much more supply constrained).

I'm sure he has more metrics though. I think Nintendo's got a big winner here and GAF is going to look really silly in a year. Not sure about Wii numbers though. Don't think a non lifestyle system can reach that velocity.
 

LordKano

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I hope he has more than Wii preorder figures, because preorder culture wasn't nearly as strong back then. Didn't Wii U sell significantly more on launch day than Wii too? (though admittedly Wii was much more supply constrained).

I'm sure he has more metrics though. I think Nintendo's got a big winner here and GAF is going to look really silly in a year. Not sure about Wii numbers though. Don't think a non lifestyle system can reach that velocity.
Nope, Wii sold 180k in a month, so 60k more, with less time (32 days for Wii U, 23 for Wii).
 

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If nintendo (france) deep analysis is to draw a comparison between wii and switch because of

Remote shaped motion control pads
Zelda at launch

I think they will be disappointed

Wii costed 250 with competitors being 599 and 399 SRP
Wii had the novelty of motion while joycon need to be tested in person to feel.the hd rumble
Wii had wii sport as pack in with that price while at 330€ in France up don't even know what 1,2 switch feels like
Wii had wii play gifted with the second remote while snipperclips needs to be purchased separately on eshop on a console with limited memory space

I really think that the possible switch commercial success relies only on its hybrid nature, with Nintendo merging the two previously separated offers (portable and home) and communicating that with that initial price effort you are going to get what previously costed more (3ds + wiiu costed way more at launch if sum, around 550/600€ I think)

So far they didn't push on that marketing (and development) button at all
 

LordKano

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If nintendo (france) deep analysis is to draw a comparison between wii and switch because of

Remote shaped motion control pads
Zelda at launch

I think they will be disappointed

Wii costed 250 with competitors being 599 and 399 SRP
Wii had the novelty of motion while joycon need to be tested in person to feel.the hd rumble
Wii had wii sport as pack in with that price while at 330€ in France up don't even know what 1,2 switch feels like
Wii had wii play gifted with the second remote while snipperclips needs to be purchased separately on eshop on a console with limited memory space

I really think that the possible switch commercial success relies only on its hybrid nature, with Nintendo merging the two previously separated offers (portable and home) and communicating that with that initial price effort you are going to get what previously costed more (3ds + wiiu costed way more at launch if sum, around 550/600€ I think)

So far they didn't push on that marketing (and development) button at all
That's absolutely not the arguments about why he thinks Switch will be a success. Not at all. Also, a console doesn't need to replicate 1:1 another successful console to sell as good.
 

hanspampel

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That number would outperform the Ps4 in France

Sony sold 1.15 million Ps4 in the first 14 months
Nintendo expects 800k in 10
 

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Well i'm French, i bought the wii and the wiiu day-one but i'm not getting a switch. Does that mean anything?

Absolutely not
 

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I think Switch is a real Wii successor, with joy-cons being the next gen wiimotes. We only talk about it as a the gen handheld, but the Wii crowd also has everything to be pleased.

He mentions twice how Mario Kart 8 is one of the very best multiplayer game ever created, released on the wrong platform. He's bullish about its potential on Switch.
 

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They would need some anime games to accomplish that expectation. Contact Namco and have them make some One Piece, SAO, Gundam games and have Koei port AOT and Berserk. Switch already has an upcoming DBZ game so it's already looking very attractive to French gamers.
 

Aostia

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That's absolutely not the arguments about why he thinks Switch will be a success. Not at all. Also, a console doesn't need to replicate 1:1 another successful console to sell as good.

Of course, I really hope so
Fact is: there aren't strong reasoning behind this kind of wii exploit so far
If he knows pokemon is coming. ..
 

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Interesting, usually these interviews with regional sales managers are boring.

Interesting points I took out of the interview :
-ARMS is seen as having the potential to be the next Smash Bros
-They take seriously the fact that you can play without looking at the screen 100% of the time
-They want rhythm for the releases to allow devs, customers and distributors to be at ease
-MK8 was 10% of what they could have sold compared to MKWii, so a remaster on a new console is the way to get those 90% back (2.700.000)

He's confident at least and has arguments to back up. That's good PR because it shows confident to customers but that also means that they are really taking a risk, a calculated one, but still a risk.
 

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He's saying exactly the same things that we ear from other PR talkers like Reggie.
Lavoué is very commercial. I clearly prefer S. Bole who is more passionate but he was naturally called to the european HQ years ago.

We'll see how it ends up. Sure the pre-orders and the hype are good.

But I can't stand how he doesn't answer the questions on the quantitatively weak line-up.
He's just resaying what the US/japanese PR says, talking about how too much games will overwhelm gamers and retailers (lol).

They're completely ignoring the point of a wide and varied line-up, and most and foremost the talk about building platform momentum that Iwata was well aware when doing the necessary sacrifices to save the 3DS, 6 months after its launch.

It comes even more scary when they once again seems to think that 1-2 Switch is Wii Sports, just like Nintendo Land was Wii Sports. I doubt 1-2 Switch will sell 80M.

And finally, because they seems eager to compare with the Wii, they really should open their eyes on what was Wii's first months software line-up. And how Twilight Princess attach rate plummeted after the first month 75%... Anyway.
 

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Of course its 100% attach rate on Zelda. When everything else is shovelware/garbage you can count on it.
This post is shovelware/garbage or you forgot
/s


I can definitely see Switch being a popular system in Europe - even at it's current price point especially after Zelda, Splatoon 2, MK8D, Minecraft, Arms and a bunch of indie/smaller local multiplayer games are released.

It's all a matter of reaching critical mass for the holidays and becoming the must own item this Christmas Pokemon Stars, Super Mario Odyssey and another major title being released before the end of the year could definitely see the system being in a similar position to the Wii. I'm mainly expecting this to be a more front-loaded system that outsells the 3DS in a couple of years with at least a few additional revisions and additional hardware being released within the ecosystem.

Also 3DS/2DS have been doing the work all over the place and YW2 is only now coming to the system in Europe, considering YW sales in Europe and how they are outperforming the franchise's debut in Japan it's no small matter that third parties are the only ones releasing major games for the system. I'm not sure what the plans are for Monster Hunter XX in the West but I won't be surprised if it's announced for this summer. If you look at the top 10 for the year in France on Amazon Pokemon Sun is still 6, the 3DS/2DS are still difficult to find and I can definitely see both devices have their niches this year. Once the support dries up towards the end of the year we will see the marketing push focused on making the Switch the go to gift this holiday.
 

LordKano

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He's saying exactly the same things that we ear from other PR talkers like Reggie.
Lavoué is very commercial. I clearly prefer S. Bole who is more passionate but he was naturally called to the european HQ years ago.

We'll see how it ends up. Sure the pre-orders and the hype are good.

But I can't stand how he doesn't answer the questions on the quantitatively weak line-up.
He's just resaying what the US/japanese PR says, talking about how too much games will overwhelm gamers and retailers (lol).

They're completely ignoring the point of a wide and varied line-up, and most and foremost the talk about building platform momentum that Iwata was well aware when doing the necessary sacrifices to save the 3DS, 6 months after its launch.

It comes even more scary when they once again seems to think that 1-2 Switch is Wii Sports, just like Nintendo Land was Wii Sports. I doubt 1-2 Switch will sell 80M.

And finally, because they seems eager to compare with the Wii, they really should open their eyes on what was Wii's first months software line-up. And how Twilight Princess attach rate plummeted after the first month 75%... Anyway.
What ? Not once he talks about Wii sports, or is even comparing any game with it. And yeah, he's more or less saying the same thing as Kimishima on line-up : they want to focus more on regular new games through the whole year instead of big splash at launch. You can hardly blame them, when they did the opposite for the Wii U and it backfired badly.

He's far from talking like a PR-bot.
 

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He said they are targeting to sell as much Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as Mario Kart Wii back in the day (so 3.5 millions). Mario Kart 8 sold 350k on Wii U.
This sounds completely delusional. MK8(D) is an old game by now, I don't see how it could reach the hype level that MKWii had.
 

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he doesn't answer the questions on the quantitatively weak line-up.
Zelda is getting a 100% attach rate and will take a long time to complete. Bomberman is a classic, Fast RMX is a decent enough FZero, Splatoon 2 is having a time limited demo in March, Snipperclips is a surprise puzzle gem. and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is late April. I don't think anyone wouldn't enjoy this early library.
 

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This sounds completely delusional. MK8(D) is an old game by now, I don't see how it could reach the hype level that MKWii had.
His argument is that nobody really played MK8, due do the unpopular system it was tied on. So they will market it again, on a new hardware, and act like it's a new game.

He makes an interesting point : do you think that Mario Kart 8, 350k units LTD, sold everything it could when it's one of the greatest multi games and when its predecessor, Mario Kart Wii, sold 3500k units ?
 

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* Over 800K Switch this year (same as lifetime Wii U sales).
* Including 95K day one, with 100% Zelda conversion rate.
* Preorders are aligned with Wii figures.
100% Zelda is not surprising, but still pretty cool.

Preorders similar to Wii is pretty impressive.
 

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This sounds completely delusional. MK8(D) is an old game by now, I don't see how it could reach the hype level that MKWii had.
You happen to know the difference between Wii U and 3DS sales of Mario Maker? I think that's what he means.
 

Coffinhal

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Zelda is getting a 100% attach rate and will take a long time to complete. Bomberman is a classic, Fast RMX is a decent enough FZero, Splatoon 2 is having a time limited demo in March, Snipperclips is a surprise puzzle gem. and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is late April. I don't think anyone wouldn't enjoy this early library.
You can play both Zelda and MK8 at the same time since these are two very different gaming experiences (singe vs multiplayer, long immersive vs short focused sessions, offline vs online). It might take a lot of time to complete Zelda but playing just one game for that long period of time is boring. The other games don't fill that hole (even Snipperclips which requires a second player and must be short)

I understand why they pushed it (they need something between 3rd March and July with Splatoon, and ARMS isn't enough ; the price of the console+game is already high and few people would have bought Zelda+MK8, therefore a release 2 months later means that people will likely spend those 50 euros) but there was an alternative.
 

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His argument is that nobody really played MK8, due do the unpopular system it was tied on. So they will market it again, on a new hardware, and act like it's a new game.

He makes an interesting point : do you think that Mario Kart 8, 350k units LTD, sold everything it could when it's one of the greatest multi games and when its predecessor, Mario Kart Wii, sold 3500k units ?
YEah, over 8 Million people, "nobody".
 

HowZatOZ

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Yo, fellow GK fan.

I've read a lot of Philippe Lavoué's interview. His expectations are freaking bold concerning the Switch. He said they are targeting to sell as much Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as Mario Kart Wii back in the day (so 3.5 millions). Mario Kart 8 sold 350k on Wii U.
I could see Mario Kart selling more on the Switch with a higher player base. Also helps that the Switch version has a way more interesting multiplayer approach.
 

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I understand why they pushed it (they need something between 3rd March and July with Splatoon, and ARMS isn't enough ; the price of the console+game is already high and few people would have bought Zelda+MK8, therefore a release 2 months later means that people will likely spend those 50 euros)
Element missing from your equation is they need to leave sales to 3rd parties, so they greenlight other games based on business satisfaction. The way they handle this march launch and lineup makes sense.
 

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YEah, over 8 Million people, "nobody".
He's talking about France. There are more than 3 million in France who bought MK Wii that didn't buy MK8 so yeah, that's why he's saying that nobody did play the game.
 

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Yeah not sure how big they think mario kart is.
Probably the biggest Nintendo game but it's not gonna do GTA numbers
Mario Kart 7 did 13 million. There's at least another 5 million on top of those who played it on Wii U.
 

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You happen to know the difference between Wii U and 3DS sales of Mario Maker? I think that's what he means.
Yeah, I believe MM outsold its Wii U LTD on 3DS in Japan in just a few months.
The same way people thought TLoU Remastered was a great get for PS4 despite having an 80M installbase on PS3, MK8 Deluxe with all the DLC and new content is a great get for Switch since Wii U has less than 15M
 

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Comparing Switch to Wii U is kinda disingenuous because Switch is also replacing the 3ds.

Switch shouldn't be aiming better than Wii U, should be aiming better than both Wii U and 3ds combined.
 

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He's saying exactly the same things that we ear from other PR talkers like Reggie.
Lavoué is very commercial. I clearly prefer S. Bole who is more passionate but he was naturally called to the european HQ years ago.

We'll see how it ends up. Sure the pre-orders and the hype are good.

But I can't stand how he doesn't answer the questions on the quantitatively weak line-up.
He's just resaying what the US/japanese PR says, talking about how too much games will overwhelm gamers and retailers (lol).

They're completely ignoring the point of a wide and varied line-up, and most and foremost the talk about building platform momentum that Iwata was well aware when doing the necessary sacrifices to save the 3DS, 6 months after its launch.

It comes even more scary when they once again seems to think that 1-2 Switch is Wii Sports, just like Nintendo Land was Wii Sports. I doubt 1-2 Switch will sell 80M.

And finally, because they seems eager to compare with the Wii, they really should open their eyes on what was Wii's first months software line-up. And how Twilight Princess attach rate plummeted after the first month 75%... Anyway.
How the hell is twilight princess's attatch rate "plumeting" as you put it even slightly relevant? It released on a system that sold 100 million, of course its attach rate was going to drop, are you trying to say it should have sold 75 million?
 

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I wonder if they are taking in consideration in the estimation that there are probably a lot of launch pre-orders from outside France due to the cheaper price.
 
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Comparing Switch to Wii U is kinda disingenuous because Switch is also replacing the 3ds.

Switch shouldn't be aiming better than Wii U, should be aiming better than both Wii U and 3ds combined.
We don't know if it's the 3DS successor. Maybe it is. I could see them releasing a Switch without the dock in 2018 for 199,99 (pure handheld).
 

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Yeah, I believe MM outsold its Wii U LTD on 3DS in Japan in just a few months.
The same way people thought TLoU Remastered was a great get for PS4 despite having an 80M installbase on PS3, MK8 Deluxe with all the DLC and new content is a great get for Switch since Wii U has less than 15M
Old school battlemode missing was the only major negative reviewers regretted. It's back in a great way with a Splatoon location, 2 objects, the leaf and LAN.

I read gyros are excellent now, since you can use (better) motion and adjust with analog stick. New enhanced hybrid controls.

HD Rumble is the one thing that would make it enter in a new dimension. So much potential in this game (ie feel if a turtle is about to it you from left or right).
 

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Element missing from your equation is they need to leave sales to 3rd parties, so they greenlight other games based on business satisfaction. The way they handle this march launch and lineup makes sense.
Yes that's true. I never said that didn't make sense, quite the opposite. I just added from your equation the fact that Zelda and MK8 are complemantary and could be very well released altogether (if it didn't harm their 3rd parties relations and overall calendar) to get a real line-up, because outside of Zelda it is very poor.

Seeing that a finished game that you could play alongside another one on day one is pushed in the time because of these business matters is something that people pointed out (and not only hardcore Nintendo fans, I read people that are more like occasional players complaining about that and not understanding the reasons behind the push)

We don't know if it's the 3DS successor. Maybe it is. I could see them releasing a Switch without the dock in 2018 for 199,99 (pure handheld).
The "Switch" system is or will be the successor if they keep the same library for every machine (so even for a Switch Lite with same or worse specs, but it's likely to be same specs, maybe more "portable")
 

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Switch has a pretty strong first-party lineup for the first yr if everything we have seen announced thus far is released in 2017 and early 2018 in that region. Add in Pokemon and maybe Smash Bros and this goal sounds obtainable.
 

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Count me in i want the definitive wii u vison.
It only takes "Off TV" from Wii U vision. It resurrects Wii's vision with joy-cons. SNES vision with two OTB controllers. N64 vision with quick loading cartridges, a BIG Mario and Zelda. Or handhelds vision with LAN.

They say Switch is a best of Nintendo for a reason.
 

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It only takes "Off TV" from Wii U vision. It resurrects Wii's vision with joy-cons. SNES vision with two OTB controllers. N64 vision with quick loading cartridges, a BIG Mario and Zelda. Or handhelds vision with LAN.

They say Switch is a best of Nintendo for a reason.
hey ! you're wasting your time here, i'm already sold.
 

Coffinhal

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It only takes "Off TV" from Wii U vision. It resurrects Wii's vision with joy-cons. SNES vision with two OTB controllers. N64 vision with quick loading cartridges, a BIG Mario and Zelda. Or handhelds vision with LAN.

They say Switch is a best of Nintendo for a reason.
PR reason mostly and it works great.