GoldenEye98
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It's not hard for investors to figure out that Japan is carrying it and the hardware is subsidized in Japan by about $100USD+...
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Nintendo Q3 FY 2025 earnings: Switch 2 17.37M, Switch 155.37M, and more
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Robb
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Probably closer to 5 months given that Switch 2 reached 17.4M after 7 months and WiiU ended up at 13.6M LTD.
Really puts into perspective what an absolute trainwreck that system was commercially.
Emmy Ator Best
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Enough with this bullshit! You doing your little conversion doesn't mean shit to a person in Japan. Why? Because they don't use the fucking dollar there. To a Japanese person the Switch 2 is 50% more expensive than the Switch was exactly like it is everywhere else in the world.
GoldenEye98
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You realize that most countries in the world have their own currency and don't use the US dollar....
Lionel Richie
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Stay mad and please don't forget to dilate.
Robb
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I thought it was set in stone but given Switch 2's initial success I think they might just ride Switch (1) out without cutting prices and stop production sooner than they themselves planned and just focus on trying to get people to move on.
If they reach their FY estimate (+4M) Switch (1) will be at 156.12M by March 2026. After that we'll know their forecast for March 2027, but I imagine it won't be enough to push it above 160M. I think it's going to fizzle out quickly.
GoldenEye98
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Japan can't make up for the America's and Europe. It's not a large enough market.
Gambit2483
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Some things to note
- Games are generally more expensive now ($70)
- US economy is not very strong/people are more price-conscious
Felessan
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The catch is that Japan does not produce Switch2 consoles. They are produced overseas.
And as they are produced overseas, they have cost in USD (330$ at Vietnam export point), and weak yen does mean that console is subsidized as someone (Nintendo) has to pay yen depreciation impact.
And as this subsidy eats Nintendo profits, it is important for investors.
Stock is essentially flat today (it's up in Tokyo and ADR is down) and still -23% for last 3M - nothing spectacular to write home about.
Musashipan
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So it already surpassed ps2, before they magically found 5 millions out of their butts.
Switch will beat even the fake numbers from sony. Who would've thought
Switch will beat even the fake numbers from sony. Who would've thought
Kacho
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What are you alluding to
diffusionx
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crazy how Sony kept finding PS2 sales until the Switch ran out of steam haha tough luck pal
LordOcidax
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Nothing. Financial reports threads are always fun to read.
Tiago Rodrigues
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Mozza
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Not sure I remember too many console companies updating their sales figures after a console had been dead and off sale for so many years....
CosmicComet
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Switch 1 will be outselling the PS2 soon without ever having to hit $99. Insane.
CentralScrutinizer
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CentralScrutinizer
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This but there are ways to do it easily like how Sony does it. For example, Nintendo didn't stop doing repairs and replacements for 3DS until just recently in 2025, 14 years after it released. This takes Switch 1's warranty and repair services up to 2030 and Nintendo will need produced stock for these services. Warranty replacements actually DO count as console shipments/sales.
This is probably why Sony "suddenly" found five million more sales because those systems were probably there for replacement / repairs and they were just never added into the total.
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Dr Bass
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Don't know. Another five million might be a tough ask unless they have good supply and drop the price by a decent amount.
Well yeah, how they showed a PS2 with a manufacturing number of 160th million and tried to pass it off as proof that PS2 had sold through every unit ever made, not taking into account repairs, warranty replacements, marketing giveaways etc. I did a little looking into this (and posted it on this board) if you look at average failure rates/warranty replacements, that 160 million number puts the actual says pretty much right at 155 million actual units sold.
Could be just coincidence.
No, warranty replacements do not count as sales.
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Emmy Ator Best
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Let's recap. Sony gave their last figure in early 2011, I think it was 153 million. Almost 2 years later the PS2 was finally discontinued but they didn't bother updating the sales. Then more than a decade later and only when the Switch was about to break their record Sony thinks that now we should know the final PS2 numbers? Nah you can't take seriously someone acting like that. 2013 was the time to say it. You didn't? Then you lost your chance.
CentralScrutinizer
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You sure about that? Sony's sourced total for 161m console sales is based on the "last PS2 manufactured."Don't know. Another five million might be a tough ask unless they have good supply and drop the price by a decent amount.
Well yeah, how they showed a PS2 with a manufacturing number of 160th million and tried to pass it off as proof that PS2 had sold through every unit ever made, not taking into account repairs, warranty replacements, marketing giveaways etc. I did a little looking into this (and posted it on this board) if you look at average failure rates/warranty replacements, that 160 million number puts the actual says pretty much right at 155 million actual units sold.
Could be just coincidence.
No, warranty replacements do not count as sales.
That would indicate they're counting manufactured consoles that went towards replacements. Otherwise why state you shipped 160m and posted a trophy pic of the "last ps2 manufactured" being the 160,636,885 one?
That literally doesn't pass the sniff test. "160m consoles shipped but the last produced console ever being in the exact 160m range" shows how they calculate their number.
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FoxMcChief
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Dr Bass
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Right, because they DID manufacture that many. But typically you do not include warranty replacements in sales, because a warranty is a fulfillment of your original obligation to the customer. If I bought a PS2 for 300 bucks and it fails in six months, I get another one. I dont pay another 300. That's not 2 consoles sold, it's one, with Sony fulfilling their promise.You sure about that? Sony's sourced total for 161m console sales is based on the "last PS2 manufactured."
That would indicate they're counting manufactured consoles that went towards replacements. Otherwise why state you shipped 160m and posted a trophy pic of the "last ps2 manufactured" being the 160,636,885 one?
That literally doesn't pass the sniff test. "160m consoles shipped but the last produced console ever being in the exact 160m range" shows how they calculate their number.
So Sony years ago (well after PS2 was done selling) said they had sold 155 million. Then recently as it looked like Switch would beat that number they showed this and started talking about manufacturing numbers. Do people really think that wasn't done on purpose? It's all just kind of silly.
I did some looking into this awhile ago, without AI, but asking ChatGPT comes up with this answer.
Again that result lands the number of PS2s sold right at the 155 million mark. Also keep in mind PS2 was not exactly known for being a robust system.
CentralScrutinizer
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So essentially Sony is doing what I am claiming, obfuscating manufactured (including warranty replacements) with shipped / sold numbers and this is how they magically found 5m more in shipments?Right, because they DID manufacture that many. But typically you do not include warranty replacements in sales, because a warranty is a fulfillment of your original obligation to the customer. If I bought a PS2 for 300 bucks and it fails in six months, I get another one. I dont pay another 300. That's not 2 consoles sold, it's one, with Sony fulfilling their promise.
So Sony years ago (well after PS2 was done selling) said they had sold 155 million. Then recently as it looked like Switch would beat that number they showed this and started talking about manufacturing numbers. Do people really think that wasn't done on purpose? It's all just kind of silly.
I did some looking into this awhile ago, without AI, but asking ChatGPT comes up with this answer.
Again that result lands the number of PS2s sold right at the 155 million mark. Also keep in mind PS2 was not exactly known for being a robust system.
The 155 million figure was given about a year before the PS2 was discontinued, so it was never the final number. For a while, most people suspected the final sales were around 157 or 158 million. The 160 million figure came about when Sony was celebrating the PlayStation's 30th anniversary, so it made sense to provide more complete numbers.
CentralScrutinizer
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The numbers themselves aren't the issue. It's what the numbers represent. They clearly show 160m manufactured, not shipped / sold. So it stands to reason they are including every single system they produced, including the ones they used to replace broken systems. I have no issue with this type of hardware reporting, but it's clear that if this is what Sony did, Nintendo will clearly pass 160m if they do the same exact thing.
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FoxMcChief
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That's the funny thing. NintendoGaf isn't downplaying shit about Sony. But for some reason, 4-5 posters here can't shut the fuck up about trying to piss in Nintendo's Cheerios. A thread about a great port gets bogged down by the same idiots saying it doesn't look as good as the PS5. No shit dumbasses.Live scenes at SonyGaf HQ:
Get back on topic and stop the juvenile console waring- thank you.
Switch 1/2 hardware sales are great, especially given the context of reduced video game spending over this holiday period. Mario Kart World and Pokemon sales are fantastic.
Bananza doesn't appear to have as much staying power as I thought it would. Only 10% of the new console sales numbers? Shame, because it's an amazing game.
No Prime 4 sales is pretty bad. I'd imagine Nintendo is seriously reconsidering its strategy with what Retro should do next, because continuing the series does not seem financially feasible given the amount of time that went into it.
Bananza doesn't appear to have as much staying power as I thought it would. Only 10% of the new console sales numbers? Shame, because it's an amazing game.
No Prime 4 sales is pretty bad. I'd imagine Nintendo is seriously reconsidering its strategy with what Retro should do next, because continuing the series does not seem financially feasible given the amount of time that went into it.
S0ULZB0URNE
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It's selling great in those markets too.
Lionel Richie
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The game came out in December, not enough time to get any reasonable data. It's the one Nintendo game I'm kind of hoping to flop, make the next Metroid a comeback. It worked wonders for Dread after Federation Force almost killed it.
Deerock71
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The Usual Suspects:As of December 31, 2025, the Switch 2 has been sold 17.37 Million units according to Nintendo.
GoldenEye98
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It's down from Switch 1 in those markets.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Not enough overall for it not to be the fastest in history thus far.
GoldenEye98
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If you compare it to the first Q3 for Switch 1 it is down in those markets. Obviously the launch was big so the nothing is reflected in the total yet...
Deerock71
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To counter that...the Switch 1 had a 3D Mario and Breath of the Wild in it's first 12 months. Nintendo felt like it could play those cards later on the Switch 2, and it's still the fastest selling system ever. This has got to give Nintendo haters nightmares.
3d big zelda wont be here till 2028 that will help sales. 3d Mario i doubt is gonna be massive looking at Mario galaxy remaster and donkey kong sales.
videogamedude
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botw was technically a wii:u game no?
seems like S2 got a botw update same as S1?
seems like S2 got a botw update same as S1?
Pataponpon
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look at a remaster and another IP? meanwhile Odyssey just hit 30M sales, its gonna be an evergreen for years to come after it releases
in terms of scale you can say that since it was planned as a wii:u only game for many years, fwiw it was a crossgen title that hit wii:u and the SW1 at the same date after many delays! and yes, both botw and totk got paid upgrades for the sw2
S0ULZB0URNE
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SW2 in 7 months did what SW2 did in 14.
Thinking this is only because of Japan is silly talk.
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Remasters did great numbers on switch 1 and so did the Mario galaxy 1 remaster. Also donkey is a 3d platform with 90% metracritc selling so weak shows there isnt a real hunger for 3d platformers considering its the second best selling switch 2 exclusive. Also mario wonder didn't light up the charts for 2d Mario so im seeing some slight Mario fatigue as well.
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Lionel Richie
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I'm fine with the shitposting, but please don't spread misinformation. Wonder sold about as much as NSMBUD and in time it will probably surpass it and become, you know, the literal best selling 2D Mario of all time that isn't a pack in game.
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Nsmbud is out selling it every quarter for while now thats why u see updates of that but nothing on Mario wonder.
Lionel Richie
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Are you legally stupid son? There's a fucking Switch 2 edition of Wonder that's about to drop.
Yea that's fine just saying people were expecting 40 million plus for it here was a prediction thread for it everyone expected 35-40 million for switch 1 version at 17 million is not massive sorry that i hurt your feelings son.