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Nintendo Shares Drop 5% Following Pre-TGS Announcements, Analysts Comment
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What some miss is that "a 20th of the profit at a 40th of the cost" suits certain developers much, much better than others. I'm not clear that you're actually saying this, mind you, but the argument that larger companies would benefit from switching to smartphone-only development is dubious.SmokyDave said:
AbsoluteZero
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dallow_bg said:
In the shadow of the gaming giant Sony and their upcoming handheld, the PSP?
Nintendo didn't stand a goddamn chance.
JasoNsider
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wsippel said:
I know this post/sentiment is going to get missed so I'm re-quoting.
Sensational headline + "analysts" strike again. Just keep remembering people, no matter what happens to stock down OR up, don't try to find direct relationship between it and product.
Princess Skittles
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Sorry to hear that, I actually enjoyed Knightfall (similar to Mr. Driller?).SovanJedi said:
I noticed it's not even on the app store anymore.
Anyway, you'll hear more of these stories coming out. There are thousands more of these than there are of Angry Birds.
It's a shame to see an investment bubble pull down established industries. This tide's going to rise, then it's going to roll back out, and the next epoch of game development will be built by those who survive it.
When I say the tide will roll back out, I mean investors will eventually stop throwing money at nickel-game publishers and pulling money from well-established companies when they realize you really can't grow an industry the size of the video game sector on the back of ad-driven content and $1 trial-ware.
When I say the tide will roll back out, I mean investors will eventually stop throwing money at nickel-game publishers and pulling money from well-established companies when they realize you really can't grow an industry the size of the video game sector on the back of ad-driven content and $1 trial-ware.
krypt0nian
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BGBW said:
Sure. For the first time since the Gamecube days. They've been riding high as press darlings and that is not the case anymore.
SmokyDave said:
Relax! That last bit about you being nosey was just a joke. I threw it in because I don't like being overly serious. No hard feelings. :3
And FYI, I don't think the game is still even up on the App Store anymore. For some reason our publisher has it removed and we've absolutely no idea why.
Look at what the investors are saying! The top Wii-type system sellers aren't there! That's what they're talking about. There's no Wii Sports/Wii Fit/Wii Play type stuff that caters to people who don't play a lot of video games. Mario Kart is seen as more a system sustainer than seller, and Mario 3D Land is seen as inferior to New Super Mario Bros. Heck, even I see it as more like Mario Galaxy than anything else, and while it'll sell millions, it's not the same as NSMB.
The only thing Nintendo has released like this is Nintendogs and Cats, but that's not enough by itself. This conference was awesome for us. Game after game that we'd want to play, ending with a hardcore megaton. But it's not the games they want to play! They want to see game after game that will make old people and moms turn their heads, as they see that as the only way to get DS/Wii levels sales.
All the Nintendo has confirmed is that they won't completely die; but they didn't die during the GCN and people within their own company consider it a failure compared to what they once were, or later became.
The only thing Nintendo has released like this is Nintendogs and Cats, but that's not enough by itself. This conference was awesome for us. Game after game that we'd want to play, ending with a hardcore megaton. But it's not the games they want to play! They want to see game after game that will make old people and moms turn their heads, as they see that as the only way to get DS/Wii levels sales.
All the Nintendo has confirmed is that they won't completely die; but they didn't die during the GCN and people within their own company consider it a failure compared to what they once were, or later became.
3DS has been a flop, between the post launch period and the price cut. Since the price cut, 3DS is doing well.
Coming next: Nintendo season (aka Q4), with 2 main Mario titles 0_o and the strongest 3rd party lineup released on a Nintendo console during holidays in Japan.
Flop incoming!
Well, no.
Same mistake. Again.
Coming next: Nintendo season (aka Q4), with 2 main Mario titles 0_o and the strongest 3rd party lineup released on a Nintendo console during holidays in Japan.
Flop incoming!
Well, no.
Same mistake. Again.
Warm Machine
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Just buy RIM already and make a phone for the 5-15 demographic.
Holy Order Sol
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krypt0nian said:
So yeah, they've been there.
This is really crazy. The 3DS is no Virtual Boy. It will sell very well this holiday season because it's NEW and people like NEW, especially for their children.
Unless Apple has an iPod Touch that they plan to sell for $169 or less that no one knows about, the 3DS will be the top Christmas item for many kids. Investors and analysts and just plain wrong this time.
Unless Apple has an iPod Touch that they plan to sell for $169 or less that no one knows about, the 3DS will be the top Christmas item for many kids. Investors and analysts and just plain wrong this time.
Rovio company wide revenue:Beam said:
July to December 2010: $7 million
January to March 2011: $20 million
Pachterballs said:
Wanting to play the game is one thing. Comparing it to a new mainline Resident Evil or Monster Hunter is something completely different. And it does not prove that big productions are viable on the iOS. It is a port and from what I can see it looks pretty much identical to the PSP version apart from the controls
boris feinbrand said:
That's the problem. It's hard. And it needs a visionary approach. Not more crud tacked onto the last model.
As for Steam, most Steam lovers didn't really like Steam, its store, or DD until the major sales started happening. I bought Valve games there because it was required. Price was the key to getting people to accept things. This is what caused it to become the revolution it became in the PC space. Everything about it was built on that foundation.
iOS has already taken hold of pricing and gone into the gutters with it. The fact that Nintendo refuses to even try and play in that space (and create a viable market in the 10 -20 dollar range - a range that could be plenty profitable once you start eliminating manufacturing/shipping/retail cuts/second hand sales) is their folly. With each passing year, the ipod becomes more and more entrenched with kids.
This is why the 3DS is a disaster. They locked themselves into another generation of not being competitive with market directions. Whether or not Sony is going to be a lot more aggressive with Vita remains to be seen. But by trying to preserve the moronic market that is retail (and all the overhead/used games) that go with it, they've chosen short-term profit margins over needed reform.
No one even knows how successful they could have been, but it's a long-term disaster to have not even tried. The DS needed to be ditched and a re-imagined handheld its successor. Putting necessary changes off for another generation may be insurmountable.
wsippel said:
I think the stranger thing though is that throughout all of this pretending that Rovio isn't the exception to the rule, also the discussion acts as if AB wasn't a lightning in a bottle moment also.
Im not saying its not possible, but I dont see them replicating their success on that scale at all.
krypt0nian
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Holy Order Sol said:
Never said they hadn't. And it's not entirely undeserved this go around.
DefectiveReject
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jman2050 said:
I agree.
I have a shit ton of £0.69 and £0.99 games. I played them for an hour or so.
My DS, 3DS games i play for 10's of hours.
wsippel said:
LOL
If Nintendo put a Mario Kart Mobile or Mario World Mobile on the app store at £1.99.
I reckon they do those level of sales in a week.
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
For once I'm rooting for Nintendo. Mobile gaming is the enemy.
Cygnus X-1
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GuiltySpank said:
Let's hope you're wrong.
GuiltySpank
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It's the Sega Vacuum cleaner. It sucks harder than a Dyson.D4Danger said:
Sega does what Nintendon--
... oh, never mind
Who cares about investors, they only care about constant growth, Nintendo was overvalued and at a position that was impossible to maintain and now they're coming back down to reality. The people selling now are smart, yet not as smart as those who sold before the 3DS, Nintendo will never make more money than it did with the DS/Wii combo. Ever. Even if they released their games on everything they would now no longer make money off the hardware, no longer make money by granting a software license to other publishers and in turn they'd have to pay Apple or whomever, or raise the price to cover the fee, to be on their store or to release games on their platform. And just making their own system and releasing their shit on other platforms will just erode the need for Nintendo's own platform leading to them getting out of the HW business anyways. This was Nintendo's high and people should sell Nintendo's stock as it will only go down and never reach this level again.
I'm not saying they're going out of business or even third party right now but there's no reason for Nintendo to have such a valuation. I dunno how long Nintendo does have but their days as a relevant HW manufacturer are numbered.
I'm not saying they're going out of business or even third party right now but there's no reason for Nintendo to have such a valuation. I dunno how long Nintendo does have but their days as a relevant HW manufacturer are numbered.
Cygnus X-1
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wsippel said:
Still incredibly low. I have to say I'm surprised. Why are there companies getting so much credit?
DefectiveReject
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mAcOdIn said:
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No son they are not. Not at all.
Even if the WiiU is only half as successful as the Wii.
It would still be their second best selling home console.
Guardian Bob
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"Nintendo succeeded by pulling in people who weren't gamers and their needs now are no longer being filled by Nintendo, they are happy playing games on their mobile phones,"
This is a good and big point.
This is a good and big point.
Cygnus X-1 said:
Investors think that they are the future and are pouring tons of market capital into them. Because investors aren't that smart. Hence why Nintendo shouldn't listen to them. Remember this guy?
Nintendo investor said:
I think you're right. Angry Birds is a phenomenon and it will not be matched or exceeded on the iOS platform. It's one of those right game, right time situations but it doesn't prove that mobile gaming is big, just that Angry Birds is big.Cipherr said:
Nintendo always have an ace up their sleeve that analysts and investors ignore, children. There will always be more kids to play Pokemon, Mario or Zelda. Nintendo makes affordable hardware for children. Parents recognize this and are comfortable with Nintendo.
As more and more parents grow up with Wii or DS, they will continue to turn to Nintendo for their children's videogame entertainment.
madmaxx350
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Is this article a Joke?
Cygnus X-1
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Guardian Bob said:
It is a big problem for the entire industry, not only for Nintendo. These casual gamers are getting apps for something close to nothing and generate very low incomes overall (and average). I wonder how long such business will last till the average player will start searching for less shitty gaming experience and till third parties will stop develop games for iOS.
krypt0nian
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madmaxx350 said:
No, they actually are down 50%.
DKnight said:
Look, how about people just stop making other platforms "enemies" and enjoy everything for what they are?
If this generation has taught me anything about gaming - and I've learned a LOT about gaming for definite this gen, since I'm now part of it in some capacity - it's that there ought to be a place for everything and everyone. I love nearly everything about Nintendo and I always will and I never ever want them to go away, but now that I'm open to other experiences from the lightest of casual iDevice games to the biggest blockbuster (or blockbuster wannabe) AAA magic-core supreme HD titles to the glorious (and begrudgingly depressing) rate my Steam backlog is growing, I'm happier than I ever have been with gaming.
In one direction I have God of War 3, in the other direction I have Tiny Wings, in yet ANOTHER direction I have Machinarium and Super Meat Boy, and in the middle I have Mario Galaxy and Xenoblade and Skyward Sword. This can work. It's working now. I just wish people wouldn't wish death and villainy to everything else, and that goes to analysts and forum posters alike.
And what evidence is there that it'd even do half as well? And what does that matter when I just say "I don't know how long they have but I know their days are numbered?" I don't think this coming generation will be Nintendo's last but I foresee them losing ground steadily until they give up on hardware.DefectiveReject said:
Personally, I believe the Wii-U will be a ridiculously hard sell, I believe they'll get most of the loyal Nintendo fans back, those who stuck with them through the N64 and GC but I believe they will have an even harder time for getting the casuals than last time and a harder time getting Sony or Microsoft's customers than last time. Nintendo would just have to execute on every front so magnificently that it'd be studied in schools for years and if the 3DS is an example of their train of thought currently that is just not happening. Sorry but Nintendo is incapable of making the necessary changes in vision to compete in the modern gaming market. Regardless this generation I think Nintendo will be ok, it's the later ones that you gotta watch for.
the new 3DS slide pad (in my opinion ugly looking) gives the idea that there will be a hardware revision soon or later. that means a lot of people are going to wait for it. may be investors are taking that issue into account and not impressed, and thinking nintendo will fail to reach the profit margin.
nintendo messed up at the pricing, design. in these days of competition the margin for error is very slim and investors not being smart enough making the whole situation bad for nintendo.
*my 2 cents*
nintendo messed up at the pricing, design. in these days of competition the margin for error is very slim and investors not being smart enough making the whole situation bad for nintendo.
*my 2 cents*
Nuclear Muffin
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The_Technomancer said:
I posted this in the other thread, but just for good measure (and to back you up here!), I'm posting it here too.
DefectiveReject
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Evlar said:
They may do, but companies like Nintendo have cash reserves.. lots of them and make profit.
mAcOdIn said:
Nintendo have been around the longest of any past/present manufacturers. They know what they need to do.
realraptor
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Pokemon MMO. Play the main game on Wii U/3DS. Level up or play quests on "other platforms."
Drop the bomb now!
Drop the bomb now!