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Nintendo too focused on Japan, MS too focused on N.America, Sony win by default?
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Wowfunhappy
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If this was really the case, wouldn't that just mean Nintendo would win Japan and Microsoft would win North America? I don't see how it's an automatic win for Sony.
(except, it's more complicated than that, because the Wii U sucksI personally own one and love it but y'know, it's the Wii Uand the Xbox is too expensive)
(except, it's more complicated than that, because the Wii U sucksI personally own one and love it but y'know, it's the Wii Uand the Xbox is too expensive)
Anticitizen One
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They have been beefing up their Japan Studio and even had Knack ready as a launch title. Insiders have said they are working on a big in-house JRPG in the vein of Legend of Dragoon as well.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
They are definitely in a better position at this point
Does anyone think Microsoft wins North America this time?
They way Sony is leading I dare say the ps4 takes the US over Xbox one.
I could be wrong though because over here people love their NFL and Cable. The Xbox one truly is an all in one rather than a gaming console.
And the exact opposite applies to the ps4.
gundamkyoukai
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Sony exclusives have not sold less than MS once again the US is not the world .
BlackBuzzard
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Ye that myth is getting old.
MrChocolate
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Should I bet my soul on it?
Judging from last gen? The one where Nintendo "won" by outselling both competitors combined?
The Wii U isn't doing well at all, so how Nintendo tries to turn it around is up to them. Iwata admitted some of his mistakes but words go nowhere if he doesn't fix the company's backwards attitude in a lot of areas.
The Vita is still basically dead almost everywhere. Only place where it has anything of a chance is Japan and even then that's being optimistic right now as it is nowhere near the success there that the PSP was.
Microsoft ignored Japan las gen because all of their attempts had no real effect, it's no surprise that they'll probably focus more on the US and then Europe. Still their actions regarding a lot of the things people disliked about the XJuan when it was announced I guess show that they are at least trying.
Vanillalite
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While I'm not a big MS fan or anything I have to give them this.
It's more the world doesn't give a shit about MS so they focus on the parts that do vs the other way around. They've tried in other markets, but they just weren't receptive.
It's more the world doesn't give a shit about MS so they focus on the parts that do vs the other way around. They've tried in other markets, but they just weren't receptive.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Nintendo did not out sell MS and Sony combine Wii was at 100 million last time i check.
PS3 and 360 at 80 million each last time we get numbers and still selling , that is crazy talk .
Alright, exaggerated on the combined, the point remains that they still outsold both of them by a considerable amount. If you're looking from a purely sales point of view Nintendo won last gen. Easily if you add in the DS sales.
hydrophilic attack
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No one ever focuses too much on Europe....
It's a pretty sad state of affairs that Sony can be considered as caring the most for Europe just because of not actively fucking us over as much as the other guys do :/
SwiftDeath
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Yes this is what I meant in my earlier post. I think Sony has more potential to drop price in the long run with the PS4 compared to the XB1. If they can get to a sub-$200 price within the next 4 years or so I could see Sony really making a lot of sales in those markets.
Wii U is likely going to be irrelevant in those markets as it lacks any significant 3rd party support
Because not everyone can afford to buy all game systems and games. Not everyone has time for them all either.
This.
What I will say though is that the PS4 is going to get worldwide third party support. MS won't get a lot of the Japanese games like Tales, Ni No Kuni or Persona 5 and I doubt they can buy some like they did with the 360. They will still get the heavy hitters though and as for Nintendo, they'll get next to nothing on the Wii-U.
It's only the PS4 that I can see getting games from everyone which puts them in a good position.
Except you conveniently forgot to mention the fact that Sony said they are gonna make assebly lines for PS4 in Brazil to bring down local prices just like MS did.
World would be a nice fact if bs "facts" like this were bannable.
As of September 30, 2013, the Wii has sold 100.30 million consoles worldwide. Both competitors sold 80+ mils each and continue selling quite well worldwide.
Nor Mexico for that matter..
LiquidSolid
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In what world do you live in? Because this part is pretty laughable. As is the idea that Microsoft will somehow miraculously level the playing field once they launch in those other parts of the world.
Anyway, I'm not sure I entirely agree with the OP. Well, the Microsoft part is definitely right, but the Nintendo part? Eh, I think Iwata's been more focused on his own little imaginary world than Japan and you can see it in the Wii U's Japanese sales (or even the huge decline in 3DS sales compared to the DS).
Gamer @ Heart
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A world where we have sales figures.
IISANDERII
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MS too focused on America, not North America. Canada got none of the cool apps like ESPN, Red Box and stuff like that and our subscription fee was still the same.
Life tends to be a little more complicated than the thread title implies, and Sony has a long list of their own struggles. But I'd say this particular narrative is just wrong, either way. It's a misreading of the situation. Nintendo is doing better in Japan largely because of their inherent strength there, not because they're somehow betting on Japan carrying the day. The Wii U doesn't cater to Japanese tastes almost at all, as far as I can tell, and while handhelds are indeed thriving in Japan more than the West, it's not like the idea of releasing a handheld device is somehow a new one to Nintendo. Some of their core franchises, like Zelda, also tend to be Western oriented.
Really, Nintendo may have overestimated the market for their devices overseas moreso than at home, but I'd say they misread the market everywhere.
The situation with MS is somewhat different, but their main issue probably isn't one of...regional tunnel vision? The Playstation brand is still very strong, the PS4 is much more competitively priced than the X1, and Sony ran circles around MS in the marketing arena. I would argue MS blew Sony out of the water during the last generation, but that was largely because Sony fumbled the ball. A less extreme example of the reverse happened this time.
Really, Nintendo may have overestimated the market for their devices overseas moreso than at home, but I'd say they misread the market everywhere.
The situation with MS is somewhat different, but their main issue probably isn't one of...regional tunnel vision? The Playstation brand is still very strong, the PS4 is much more competitively priced than the X1, and Sony ran circles around MS in the marketing arena. I would argue MS blew Sony out of the water during the last generation, but that was largely because Sony fumbled the ball. A less extreme example of the reverse happened this time.
LiquidSolid
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I don't think we have many sales figures at all but since you clearly do, you'll surely be happy to post them just to prove your point.
akilshohen
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Why should MS even try in Japan when:
1. The system doesn't sell as much there no matter how hard they try.
2. Their NA presence is already big enough that most titles have to come to Xbox to make any kind of splash anyway.
1. The system doesn't sell as much there no matter how hard they try.
2. Their NA presence is already big enough that most titles have to come to Xbox to make any kind of splash anyway.
Definitely some truth to your view of MS and Nintendo. The XB1 quickly pales in overall offering and services the further you move away from US and English as core language and of course in many countries the HDMI IN is probably pure wasted cost.
While PS4 does seem to have managed the broadest, least secular to one country appeal so far it's probably too early to tell exactly how that's going to pan out but certainly they've done a better job of delivering a global market focused console so far.
While PS4 does seem to have managed the broadest, least secular to one country appeal so far it's probably too early to tell exactly how that's going to pan out but certainly they've done a better job of delivering a global market focused console so far.
Halo 3 sold more than the Resistance 1+2, Killzone 2, Uncharted 1+2 and God of War 3 combined.[/URL] Halo4 was somewhat round 12 Million Copies and the Gears of War Trilogy combined sold probably more than those previous Sony Exclusives and their Sequels.
Its true, Microsoft produces less games, but sells more of them. Worldwide.
Iacobellis
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They fell flat on their faces twice trying to make a dent in Japan. Why go for a third?
MrChocolate
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If by souls you mean another PS4 exclusive Souls spinoff then maybe ?
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Metalingus5150
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If by souls you mean another PS4 exclusive Souls spinoff then maybe ?
Don't do this to me man...
No, i meant worldwide. We all know the quotes out of the Final Fantasy XIII MS Presentation, where everybody declared Sony for dead. And now Microsoft dies because of 100$ more and "arrogant" attitude, which nobody besides the inner gaming fans circle noticed to begin with?
And lets Keep Thinking further, what defines winning? Selling more Units?Making more Money on those sold Units? Selling more games, Image, value etc.etc. What about the Company itself, are they healthy?
There are so many questions,predictions and stuff Happening, that nobody can say anything for certain. And we are declaring a winner already?
gundamkyoukai
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Your link is dead and no Halo 3 did not sell more than those games together since both GOW3 and UC 2 alone sold more than 5 million each WW.
Once again NPD is not the world UC and GOW sells ( maybe TLOU soon ) sell around as much as Gears and MS does not even own that IP .
It's expected that MS titles would sell more in the USA they have twice the user base which is something that can change this gen which should be good for Sony IP there .
I think that they're starting to with PS4, in which they're resurrecting Japan Studio, etc. IMO, why not focus on catering to both the East & the West?
Back in the PS1 & PS2 days, it was mostly Japanese for Sony with some western-made games on the side, then with PS3, Sony saw that the market was changing, & started adapting to the west with games like the Uncharted series, the Resistance series, the Killzone series, the inFamous series, M.A.G., Heavy Rain, The Last of Us, etc.
So I would have to agree with OP about it. And Nintendo needs to do the same.
Metalingus5150
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I hope you realize that macroaxis isn't exactly the most reliable source of how healthy a company is.
The western market is a lot more important.
You're link is broken. But I googled the article and the information within is false. It was reportd that Uncharted 2 reached over 5 million sales and in the article - the writer said 4.5 for both Uncharted 1 and 2. Also God of War sold 5.2 million in 4 months (and continued selling well for the rest of the year, might I add) and the article has it at 1.1 million (LMAO). I've seen estimates for Resistance 1 at 4.2 mil sold. Not to mention the writer doesn't link his sources.
edit: Double post. Damn... I'm so sorry
Yup. Japan is what? 10-15% of the pie? If you had to choose one over the other, why would any console manufacturer make Japan their primary focus?
LiquidSolid
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1) That article is based on NPD numbers only, not worldwide (where Halo does far less favourably and Sony does far better).
2) Where the fuck did you get 12 million?
3) Microsoft doesn't own or control Gears.
4) http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
5) You named one series, go through the others next.
If they had patience, actually cared about the Japanese market and had a far better understanding of it, they could make a far more successful go at it. But of course that's never going to happen and this time, they won't even bother to show 2 years of mediocre support.
Sony is going to win is NA and Europe this round, Japan is given to them by default. I don't understand this focus on Japan, its the smallest market by far, and the console scene has all but given up the ghost right? $100 cheaper, consistent messaging, and SCEI studios will win this round. Microsoft might as well have eaten a grenade in 2013, that was a trainwreck the likes we've never seen.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
What the fuck does this meanIf by souls you mean another PS4 exclusive Souls spinoff then maybe ?
Tell me
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I finally understand.
For those who like Japanese games (the Gundams, Yakuzas, Nippon Icchi games, and hundreds of others), PS4 is unavoidable.
And given that most US/western games will also be available on it, the PS4 will likely end up with a higher variety of games than the X1 (like current gen).
So yes, there is definitely an advantage for Sony.
And given that most US/western games will also be available on it, the PS4 will likely end up with a higher variety of games than the X1 (like current gen).
So yes, there is definitely an advantage for Sony.
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