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Welcome to Nintendo Voice Chat. Matt Casamassina, Craig Harris, Bozon, and Levi Buchanan are going to waggle their way into your hearts. Craig's back from his questionable trip to Australia and ready to talk about Nintendo and iPhone. It just so happens that Matt just wrote an article about that very subject. What a coincidence. Boz joins in on the fun. Other topics discussed:

DK Jungle Beat review

Klonoa review

Gaming events this week in preparation for E3 2009

Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis shipping early

Plus, we answer a bunch of listener mail. Remember, you can e-mail us your questions.

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[Duke Togo]

Waggle their way into your hearts?

Fuck this!! I'm going to plunge a combat blade into my neighbor's soft belly flesh for that little quip! Is that understood!? That write up just cost somebody a trip to intensive care.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Whoah they actually kept their promise. Good job Boz if you're reading this. <3

Can't say I still approve of all the Nintendo team shuffling though.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Craig visited Oz? I wonder if he'll mention the price of games here.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

- Bozon doesn't want to badmouth DSiWare because Flip Champs could come out in the next few weeks.

- Klonoa is really good.

- They're pissed because Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat is one of the best looking Wii games. Bozon: Perfect for people who skipped the last one because they didn't want to "play a gimmick", "plays like little bit of motion and like Donkey Kong Country". Matt: Not so much for people who played the original or wanted something like the original controls, "feels like just a platformer".

 

[VOOK]

Craig visited Oz? I wonder if he'll mention the price of games here.

Of course he will. It's not the first time he's been here.

 

[Evenball]

*puts on Russian accent mode*

They are talkink about Kid Icarus. They say Factor 5 is likely not dead, hmm.....

 

[AceBandage]

*puts on Russian accent mode*

They are talkink about Kid Icarus. They say Factor 5 is likely not dead, hmm.....

Well, we just saw a recent job posting for F5, so of course they aren't dead.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

The Jungle Beat and Klonoa stuff is exactly what I wanted to hear. <3

I admit I was gonna trade in my Matt C fan card after that article. At least Boz is on our side. >:/

 

[Evenball]

Well, we just saw a recent job posting for F5, so of course they aren't dead.

Oh I missed that piece of news.

 

[AceBandage]

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/05/04/factor-5s-wii-game-finally-coming-out-in-09/

 

[hellclerk]

Nintendo Voice Chat 45, 5/4/09

Wii Motion +
-Tiger & Grandslam release day and date with WiiMotion+
-Tiger pack in a go!
-you'll want Tiger if you remotely like golf. WM+ makes it awesome
-no Grandslam pack in for North America. Europe, yes. may have something to do with a Virtua Tennis pack in?

Reviews
-Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Klonoa reviews tomorrow
-Klonoa: 30 remake with some nice little extras. only problem is boss design shows its age.
-some ranting about Wii-makes and DSi-makes.
-some ranting about the lack of taking advantage of the DSi
-Donkey Kong Jungle Beat: about the same boat as Klonoa, some changes in mechanics, comes recommended.
-apparently one of the best looking games on the Wii, more appartment friendly. Bongos STILL don't work

Hellish E3 Month
-Activision and EA event this week. SEGA, Ubisoft stuff coming
-can't talk about the stuff they're seeing just yet. some may be let through, most probably not til E3.
-alot to come, they're busting ass.
-Multi-player Conduit coming in the next couple weeks. in depth stuff too. NOA showing something off Tuesday.

Discussion
-recent editorial: 10 reasons Nintendo should fear the iPhone (LOL)
-accidentally linked it to the Nintendo channels from the iPhone channel, caused nerd rage
-point 1. gaming trojian horse
--DS kind of like a application trojian horse
--blah, blah, blah
-point 2. it really does fit in your pocket
--so does the DS lol
--then again, it's kind of cumbersome. you HAVE to consciously bring a DS with you, not so much with the iPhone
--blah, blah, blah
-point 3. always connected
--also always paying for it
--Bozon would do the same to always connect with the DS
-point 4. App Store better
--actually kinda true...
-point 5. App Store games more upgradable, with light version
--DSi can technically do the same, but devs don't really use it.
--really on devs to do the cool developer stuff.
--(good God, i just don't give a damn about this anymore...)
-a bunch more ranting about DSi Ware

Reader Questions
-Bozon: Little King's Story GOTY? No. (okay...) RPG of the year? eh... no, but it's fun? (RAGE!!!!!)
-Madworld, Muramasa, maybe Sin & Punishment, and whatever else nintendo has coming.. apparently in the same category as Rune Factory.
-still fun, and doesn't want anyone to get turned off to it.
-which will receive a higher score, LKS or the Conduit? more excited about the Conduit. apparently LKS isn't "quite as amazing as when they heard about it... (MORE RAGE!!)
-question on DSi ware. repeat of ranting.
-Pokemon G/S at E3? maybe mentioned, probably wouldn't get
-exciting news? dude, it's E3. Red Steel 2 and all that good stuff. Tuesday a game that NOA didn't announce yet, though it could be nothing...
-Retro's Game? yeah, probably. Kid Icarus? ungh... it's not made up at least. basic say nothing response, industries worst kept secret, shit gets out of control, etc.
-Factor 5 in quiet mode. probably only got to prototype. we'll just have to wait and see, not expecting it yet.
-Madden 10 has 2 control schemes? yeah, all play and new way. new way being pushed.
-WiiWare sales? depends on the title. aparently Vg Chartz (LOLOLOLOL) has close numbers.
-Pumped for E3? totally dude! currently NoA is downplaying it, so they can raise it up, apparently.
-Grand Slam Tennis or Virtua Tennis? discouraging things about Virtua Tennis. haven't played it yet, but are a bit worried. Grand Slam is pretty solid. not going to be unhappy either way if Virtua tennis is good too.
-and that's about it.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The Jungle Beat and Klonoa stuff is exactly what I wanted to hear. <3

I admit I was gonna trade in my Matt C fan card after that article. At least Boz is on our side. >:/

What article?

 

[Teknoman]

"feels like just a platformer".


Purchase.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Everyone on the podcast: The Conduit > Little King's Story

Boz's GOTYs ATM: MadWorld vs. Muramasa vs. S&P2 (maybe)

What article?

10 Reasons Nintendo should fear iPhone or something like that.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Everyone on the podcast: The Conduit > Little King's Story

Boz's GOTYs ATM: MadWorld vs. Muramasa vs. S&P2 (maybe)

I would be really, really shocked if the Conduit turns out better than LKS. Like...heart attack shocked.

Also, listing S&P2 as a possible GOTY seems to imply it's due this year. Is it?

 

[AceBandage]

Everyone on the podcast: The Conduit > Little King's Story

Boz's GOTYs ATM: MadWorld vs. Muramasa vs. S&P2 (maybe)

Wow.
Conduit must be like, super mega awesome if that's true...

Also, listing S&P2 as a possible GOTY seems to imply it's due this year. Is it?

Yeah, confirmed last year by Reggie.

 

[billy.sea]

I thought they just had a podcast like 2 days ago? Already another one?

 

[Oxx]

Little King's Story is amazing, so this must bode well for The Conduit...right...right?

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I would be really, really shocked if the Conduit turns out better than LKS. Like...heart attack shocked.

Also, listing S&P2 as a possible GOTY seems to imply it's due this year. Is it?

Wow.
Conduit must be like, super mega awesome if that's true...

LKS "doesn't use IR", would have been "a better launch game or year two" game, should have came out a year ago, not really innovative or exciting anymore.

Dunno about S&P2. I personally always thought it was due this year.

 

[Zihark]

LKS "doesn't use IR", would have been "a better launch game or year two" game, should have came out a year ago, not really innovative or exciting anymore.

Dunno about S&P2. I personally always thought it was due this year.

Did they really say that about LKS?

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Did they really say that about LKS?

Yup.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

LKS "doesn't use IR", would have been "a better launch game or year two" game, should have came out a year ago, not really innovative or exciting anymore.

Oh.

So it's not that they're saying Conduit is really amazing, they're just crazy.

Okay then.

 

[RyuKanSan]

wow...poor LKS. I would probably take that over The Conduit just by reading the official thread here. I mean is The Conduit really gonna be that good outside of the controls?

 

[Mark-Bozon]

Oh.

So it's not that they're saying Conduit is really amazing, they're just crazy.

Okay then.

LKS is still cool. Here's my main issue with it though:

Feels like a Pikmin/Harvest Moon game with no extra Wii functionality used. So... still very fun, but not "Wii-like" in any way.

With no motion or IR (mainly I want a pointer for commanding my peeps) then really it's more "360/PS3 style" with none of the Wii-specific things that make it stronger.

The visuals are nice, but they use a lot of blur, and if you play on a decent sized TV it ends up looking muddy instead of just "soft."

Great humor and overall style. Still a game I'm all about... just too bad it doesn't use any system-specific fuctions. It'd be like making Pikmin 3 for Wii and not using pointer, or putting it on DS and making it no-touch or something.

Still very fun. Basically similar to My Life as a King, but with $50 worth of content instead of $10 or so.

I still like it. Don't hate me just yet. Unless you have to...

 

[billy.sea]

Right now I have my biggest hope on.... Red Steel 2. It has great potential, hope Ubi don't mess it up again.

Also Pikmin 3.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

LKS is still cool. Here's my main issue with it though:

Feels like a Pikmin/Harvest Moon game with no extra Wii functionality used. So... still very fun, but not "Wii-like" in any way.

With no motion or IR (mainly I want a pointer for commanding my peeps) then really it's more "360/PS3 style" with none of the Wii-specific things that make it stronger.

The visuals are nice, but they use a lot of blur, and if you play on a decent sized TV it ends up looking muddy instead of just "soft."

Great humor and overall style. Still a game I'm all about... just too bad it doesn't use any system-specific fuctions. It'd be like making Pikmin 3 for Wii and not using pointer, or putting it on DS and making it no-touch or something.

Still very fun. Basically similar to My Life as a King, but with $50 worth of content instead of $10 or so.

I still like it. Don't hate me just yet. Unless you have to...

In a sense, though, I feel like complaints of this nature are just as antiquated as you say LKS is. There was a point when people were complaining that DS or Wii games absolutely need to use the functions of the system or they're somehow deficient. I remember people raising their internet voices loudly at NSMB having no touchscreen use. I remember IGN Wii in specific complaining there was no Mii integration in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.

Now, I don't actually disagree with you. I was pretty taken aback when I heard LKS didn't use IR aiming, either. But I had time to sit down with the game for a few hours a week or two back and it's honestly still really, really amazing. To say the Conduit is better because LKS doesn't use IR is like saying that Resistance 2 is better than Bioshock because of the multiplayer. It's a defensible position, but I'm still going to think you're a little insane.

 

[JDSN]

They sure are crazy for the game they've being whoring.

Spoiler

/eastern european troll

 

[lsslave]

In a sense, though, I feel like complaints of this nature are just as antiquated as you say LKS is. There was a point when people were complaining that DS or Wii games absolutely need to use the functions of the system or they're somehow deficient. I remember people raising their internet voices loudly at NSMB having no touchscreen use. I remember IGN Wii in specific complaining there was no Mii integration in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.

Now, I don't actually disagree with you. I was pretty taken aback when I heard LKS didn't use IR aiming, either. But I had time to sit down with the game for a few hours a week or two back and it's honestly still really, really amazing. To say the Conduit is better because LKS doesn't use IR is like saying that Resistance 2 is better than Bioshock because of the multiplayer. It's a defensible position, but I'm still going to think you're a little insane.

The position is good of course, but we aren't talking about a game that doesn't require the use of motion controls (for example a fighting game can be CC only for all I care)

LKS is a game that the IR would work wonders with, from what I have seen, so by having it missing is a big loss for the title.

If a JRPG came out (traditional style) on the system and didn't have any IR I still wouldn't complain, but if a FPS game came out and it had no IR / motion sensing everyone would call it down.

I can agree with his view, they are missing out big time by not having IR included in this title. So many companies tack on shitty waggle and one time when it would be something important its neglected. It seems no one gets the Wii >.<

 

[hellclerk]

summary up.

 

[ZealousD]

Feels like a Pikmin/Harvest Moon game with no extra Wii functionality used. So... still very fun, but not "Wii-like" in any way.

With no motion or IR (mainly I want a pointer for commanding my peeps) then really it's more "360/PS3 style" with none of the Wii-specific things that make it stronger.

...

Great humor and overall style. Still a game I'm all about... just too bad it doesn't use any system-specific fuctions. It'd be like making Pikmin 3 for Wii and not using pointer, or putting it on DS and making it no-touch or something.

In the case of LKS, is the lack of IR control really so much of a problem that it really determines whether or not the game is or isn't better than The Conduit?


Also, as a bit of an aside, if you guys end up writing a review for The Conduit that basically comes down to "Buy this game because it's a 'hardcore' fps with good controls" I'm going to be disappointed. Please rate the game on its own merits rather than some poster child for what you want developers to do on the system.

 

[DefectiveReject]

LKS is still cool. Here's my main issue with it though:

Feels like a Pikmin/Harvest Moon game with no extra Wii functionality used. So... still very fun, but not "Wii-like" in any way.

With no motion or IR (mainly I want a pointer for commanding my peeps) then really it's more "360/PS3 style" with none of the Wii-specific things that make it stronger.

The visuals are nice, but they use a lot of blur, and if you play on a decent sized TV it ends up looking muddy instead of just "soft."

Great humor and overall style. Still a game I'm all about... just too bad it doesn't use any system-specific fuctions. It'd be like making Pikmin 3 for Wii and not using pointer, or putting it on DS and making it no-touch or something.

Still very fun. Basically similar to My Life as a King, but with $50 worth of content instead of $10 or so.

I still like it. Don't hate me just yet. Unless you have to...

HA!
How is point one bad? (Though it doesn't really play like pikmin and especially not harvest moon.) It feels like Pikmin due to the charm and attention to detail and ferrying people about, but there is a lot more skill involved due to the variety of tasks and variety of men to use.

A game doesn't HAVE to use motion nor IR on Wii to be a good game, Waggle would of killed the game and IR would of been handy but doesn't impinge on the control at all.

The visuals i can give you

Again you make a point about not using motion or IR. . . . and no it isn't like either of those as Pikmin 3 would be entirely different type of game and no touch on DS isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Nothing like MLaaK at all, that had no skill entry and involved sitting around and not much else. Please stop trying to compare this to games it's not like. It is its own unique game.
It controls well
It looks nice
It has a great learning curve
It requires a decent level of skill at times
It has its faults but you really didn't name any.

I've put 30hrs into the game and enjoyed every single one of them and i still have a little bit to do.

My Wii game of the generation so far.
Thanks.

 

[cw_sasuke]

summary up.

thanks man,

So NoA will announce a new Game Tuesday/Today ?

 

[Affeinvasion]

summary up.

I take it from your comments about the DSiware section that you actually support that service?

 

[EDarkness]

In a sense, though, I feel like complaints of this nature are just as antiquated as you say LKS is. There was a point when people were complaining that DS or Wii games absolutely need to use the functions of the system or they're somehow deficient. I remember people raising their internet voices loudly at NSMB having no touchscreen use. I remember IGN Wii in specific complaining there was no Mii integration in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.

Now, I don't actually disagree with you. I was pretty taken aback when I heard LKS didn't use IR aiming, either. But I had time to sit down with the game for a few hours a week or two back and it's honestly still really, really amazing. To say the Conduit is better because LKS doesn't use IR is like saying that Resistance 2 is better than Bioshock because of the multiplayer. It's a defensible position, but I'm still going to think you're a little insane.

I totally agree with Bozon. No IR just doesn't make any sense. Why make a Wii strategy type game and not use IR? It's like making a 360 game with low res graphics. No IR pretty much killed any hype I had for the game.

 

[DefectiveReject]

I totally agree with Bozon. No IR just doesn't make any sense. Why make a Wii strategy type game and not use IR? It's like making a 360 game with low res graphics. No IR pretty much killed any hype I had for the game.

NO NO NO NO.
IR would make the controls a hassle at times.
It controls just fine.

 

[hellclerk]

In the case of LKS, is the lack of IR control really so much of a problem that it really determines whether or not the game is or isn't better than The Conduit?


Also, as a bit of an aside, if you guys end up writing a review for The Conduit that basically comes down to "Buy this game because it's a 'hardcore' fps with good controls" I'm going to be disappointed. Please rate the game on its own merits rather than some poster child for what you want developers to do on the system.

i have a pretty solid feeling that's exactly what they'll be doing for the Conduit. i'll probably end up buying both, but right now, LKS is looking to be a better buy for me, as much of an advocate i've been for the Conduit, it remains an ordinary FPS with some nifty design decisions, and it does deserve my money, but LKS deserves it more, if only because it follows a design philosophy that i can get behind. i vote for the direction of the industry with my dollar, and i would vote LKS first if i had to choose.

 

[VOOK]

thanks man,

So NoA will announce a new Game Tuesday/Today ?

Na nothing like that it'll be a pre-E3 showing of some of Nintendo stuff, all under embargo no doubt.

 

[hellclerk]

I take it from your comments about the DSiware section that you actually support that service?

no, they just started going in circles about the same issues and i was starting to be distracted by the butterflies. listen yourself if you want the actual comments. i think i stopped caring around the 20 minute mark. it goes on for another 20 until the 40 minute mark. generally, i listen for the news bits and their opinions on them, not a rediscussion of a run of the mill Nintendo vs. Apple editorial.

I totally agree with Bozon. No IR just doesn't make any sense. Why make a Wii strategy type game and not use IR? It's like making a 360 game with low res graphics. No IR pretty much killed any hype I had for the game.

did you read the damned official thread? the reception this game has been getting should be PLENTY to hype you.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I totally agree with Bozon. No IR just doesn't make any sense. Why make a Wii strategy type game and not use IR? It's like making a 360 game with low res graphics. No IR pretty much killed any hype I had for the game.

Have you played it?

 

[HUELEN10]

"feels like just a platformer".


Purchase.

Agreed. The original felt too much like a Brawler to me, but KLONOA FIRST!

 

[Affeinvasion]

no, they just started going in circles about the same issues and i was starting to be distracted by the butterflies. listen yourself if you want the actual comments. i think i stopped caring around the 20 minute mark. it goes on for another 20 until the 40 minute mark.

Yeah, I hate it when they rant about their own articles.

 

[hellclerk]

Yeah, I hate it when they rant about their own articles.

indeed, which is why i stopped caring. but i do support the service, or will whenever i get a DSi. i just don't care about the service in relation to the iPhone. the former makes sense, the latter, i wouldn't really use.

 

[pakkit]

Like it or not the comparison will continue to be made, especially seeing how both companies are doing extremely successfully using their own business models with similarly unique handheld machines.

 

[hellclerk]

Like it or not the comparison will continue to be made, especially seeing how both companies are doing extremely successfully using their own business models with similarly unique handheld machines.

yeah, doesn't mean it hasn't been done to death a thousand times before and we all already know the line.

 

[ViperVisor]

I confuse with Tiger and Grand Slam releases.

They said same with Virtua release which is 2 weeks early as of now. Or was it same as MotionPlus which is 1 week early?

 

[EDarkness]

did you read the damned official thread? the reception this game has been getting should be PLENTY to hype you.

I haven't read the official thread because I have no interest in the game anymore. No IR no buy. My loss, maybe, but I'm fine with that.

Have you played it?

Actually, no. However, I'm all for more use of IR in games and no IR in a game like this just isn't what I want. Like 360/PS3 guys want better graphics in their games, I want IR and motion controls.

 

[hellclerk]

I haven't read the official thread because I have no interest in the game anymore. No IR no buy. My loss, maybe, but I'm fine with that.

Actually, no. However, I'm all for more use of IR in games and no IR in a game like this just isn't what I want. Like 360/PS3 guys want better graphics in their games, I want IR and motion controls.

okay, i want everyone's attention here: this kind of thinking is what kills the game industry. a game should be played on its own merits, and if IR would have made it better, well whooptie-fucking-doo, it's still a 9+/10 game without it. is Pikmen on the GameCube any worse without IR, how about Metroid Prime? Both were GREAT games for their time, and they managed without IR. this kind of thinking is what causes idiot fanboys and developers discount Wii as "not good enough" for their "vision" and yet, their vision was fine last generation on the PS2. by all accounts, this game is GREAT with an attention to detail and love that you just don't see very often in games. to discount it for such a tiny, insignificant issue is like one issue voting, moronic, ignorant, and horrifically irresponsible.

ok, i think i'm done with my rant.

 

[AniHawk]

is Pikmen on the GameCube any worse without IR, how about Metroid Prime?

Hmmmm.

 

[DefectiveReject]

I haven't read the official thread because I have no interest in the game anymore. No IR no buy. My loss, maybe, but I'm fine with that.




Actually, no. However, I'm all for more use of IR in games and no IR in a game like this just isn't what I want. Like 360/PS3 guys want better graphics in their games, I want IR and motion controls.

What an idiot. I guess you think women don't have a right to vote or that slavery was ok?