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The conspiracy sites are like throwing shit at the wall. A lot of fake news and crazyness. But that doesn't mean that there aren't some rare instances when some of the shit does stick and they provide an actual real fact.

For example the idea the polls were wrong or manipulated during 2016 was originally considered conspiratorial nonsense. The idea that Big Tech was only testing the water with Alex Jones, was scoffed at, now see where we are.

I'm sorry but I can't agree with your opinion on Alex Jones or the current "purge" at all. but that's fine because we're all entitled to our opinions and I respect that you're trying to have a sensible conversation at the very least.
 
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Then maybe EviLore EviLore should close the politics section. It's a better solution than being banned for "wrongthink".

The worst thing any user can experience is to be punished for having an opinion, especially when most users here defended the right of other users to have other views and think differently.


I've seen the same discussion before, I've seen the same situation... users that made GAF what it is today will pay the ultimate price if people are not allowed to answer back. If one side will be limited in what can be politically discussed, then maybe politics shouldn't be discussed at all.
I've read your posts in this thread and they sum up my thoughts better than I can put them. I would seriously consider getting rid of the politics discussions on this site in general. I come here to talk about video games and the more active threads as of late are all politics-related.

Maybe it brings in enough ad rev but I think GAF is at risk at of becoming a containment area for politics talk if left unchecked. Which will eventually lead to talk about conspiracy theories. Leave that to another site like Reddit and 4chan.
 

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Then maybe EviLore EviLore should close the politics section. It's a better solution than being banned for "wrongthink".

The worst thing any user can experience is to be punished for having an opinion, especially when most users here defended the right of other users to have other views and think differently.


I've seen the same discussion before, I've seen the same situation... users that made GAF what it is today will pay the ultimate price if people are not allowed to answer back. If one side will be limited in what can be politically discussed, then maybe politics shouldn't be discussed at all.
Hey man im Mr Conspiracy so I'm dying at the thought of the new rules.

But it is what it is. He doesn't have a choice given the current political environment it is better to get on top of it now rather than have his credit card services pulled or web hosting dropped because fucking liberty aka me, posted another thread about the counter revolution

You know what I mean?

It's a hard line to straddle and yes he could drop politics altogether but I think hes choosing to keep discussions mainstream Overton Window. It's a compromise to allow some left and right views within a context that won't put the site in danger of deplatforming.

If I can do it we all can for the sake of the site.
 
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Free Speech is dying now that VISA & Mastercard wield disproportionate amounts of power over which websites can be hosted.

This would not actually be a problem if the hammer went both ways. I.e Left-wing and right-wing views were equally wiped off the internet.

Yet, look at my infographic I posted in another thread. There's clearly a left-wing bias among multibillion corporations that does support extremism but only mildly right-wing ideas are told to leave the internet.


Wasn't the right-wing who called censorship on pornhub?



But were ok with Facebook since that's were most their base is.
 

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What about gaming conspiracies? Some fucker just sent me on a downward spiral of madness trying to unlock Akuma in Resident Evil.
He had picture proof of him shooting fireballs and everything. But there is no Akuma to be found, EviLore. THERE IS NO AKUMA!
I demand you ban them forever please and thanks. Do you really want that type of misinfomation on your site? smh.

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Free Speech is dying now that VISA & Mastercard wield disproportionate amounts of power over which websites can be hosted.

This would not actually be a problem if the hammer went both ways. I.e Left-wing and right-wing views were equally wiped off the internet.

Yet, look at my infographic I posted in another thread. There's clearly a left-wing bias that does support extremism but only mildly right-wing ideas are told to leave the internet.

wait, is this what all the rising of those cyptocoins are all about? being able to pay for porn...? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

in all seriousness thou, IMO all these is just capitalism at work, even these so call "infringement of free speech". and sadly, if one don't want capitalism and hate communism also, there really isn't much choice out there.
 

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Free Speech is dying now that VISA & Mastercard wield disproportionate amounts of power over which websites can be hosted.

This would not actually be a problem if the hammer went both ways. I.e Left-wing and right-wing views were equally wiped off the internet.

Yet, look at my infographic I posted in another thread. There's clearly a left-wing bias that does support extremism but only mildly right-wing ideas are told to leave the internet.

And it's not just at a US level, news from all over the world is going left.
I'm sorry but I can't agree with your opinion on Alex Jones or the current "purge" at all. but that's fine because we're all entitled to our opinions and I respect that you're trying to have a sensible conversation at the very least.
Just look at what happened with the Hunter laptop. This isn't the first purge, the purges have been coming in waves. Prior to the election tons of channels were wiped out of youtube. Thedonald at reddit, it had all its mods purged and replaced, they had to create another website, a website that also became shadowbanned from google search results. Youtube channels are now purged without warnings without strikes without violating ToS.
 
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EviLore EviLore , instaban or will we receive warnings?

I know I've posted in some of the threads and topics you classify under "conspiracy theory", but like to think that I do so with objective and relatively trustworthy sources and data - I think others would be able to attest to that. Would hate for it to be an instant if I were being honest and a bit selfish/self-centered.
 

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Wasn't the right-wing who called censorship on pornhub?



But were ok with Facebook since that's were most their base is.
pornhub was hosting cp, and using section 230 protection, that doesn't fly.
 
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Wasn't the right-wing who called censorship on pornhub?



But were ok with Facebook since that's were most their base is.
Pornhub shouldn't be a partisan issue, especially when the issue was hosting actual illegal content.

The equivalent would be pulling websites that support extreme left views. For example, clearly racebaiting and anti-white content like this is still hosted on the web.

 
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EviLore EviLore , instaban or will we receive warnings?

I know I've posted in some of the threads and topics you classify under "conspiracy theory", but like to think that I do so with objective and relatively trustworthy sources and data - I think others would be able to attest to that. Would hate for it to be an instant if I were being honest and a bit selfish/self-centered.
Case by case as always.
 
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And it's not just at a US level, news from all over the world is going left.

Just look at what happened with the Hunter laptop. This isn't the first purge, the purges have been coming in waves. Prior to the election tons of sites were wiped out of youtube. Thedonald at reddit, it had all its mods purged and replaced, they had to create another website, a website that also became shadowbanned from google search results. Youtube channels are now purged without warnings without strikes without violating ToS.

I feel that Alex Jones got "purged" for good reason. basically just fanning the fire in order to sell stuff. as for those subreddits, sites, channels, you can thank capitalism for that (not that I'm promoting communism either, mind you). when it gets to a point that it could mess with their business, big corps WILL take action. that's always been the issue with unpopular opinions and it will never change no matter if those opinions are right or wrong.
 

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wait, is this what all the rising of those cyptocoins are all about? being able to pay for porn...? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

in all seriousness thou, IMO all these is just capitalism at work, even these so call "infringement of free speech". and sadly, if one don't want capitalism and hate communism also, there really isn't much choice out there.
Not true.

Once again, I look at Japan as a country that has maintained Capitalism while also not pushing attitudes that are meant to demonize Japan as a nation. Or how about the fact that many Japanese business refuse to operate in China, even though it would save them money?

That's the weird part. I was told many times Capitalism only cares about profit and wants the "largest audience", yet why are so many corporations spending billions just to tell Trump supporters to get lost?

At this point, U.S companies should be treated as Feudal Lords. They may not be government (yet) but they behave and act with the same powers.
 
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Not true.

Once again, I look at Japan as a country that has maintained Capitalism while also not pushing attitudes that are meant to demonize Japan as a nation.

That's the weird part. I was told many times Capitalism only cares about profit and wants the "largest audience", yet why are so many corporations spending billions just to tell Trump supporters to get lost?

And average Japanese is a "slave" to the corporation 6 day work week 10 hours shift, high suicide rate.


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I've read your posts in this thread and they sum up my thoughts better than I can put them. I would seriously consider getting rid of the politics discussions on this site in general. I come here to talk about video games and the more active threads as of late are all politics-related.

Maybe it brings in enough ad rev but I think GAF is at risk at of becoming a containment area for politics talk if left unchecked. Which will eventually lead to talk about conspiracy theories. Leave that to another site like Reddit and 4chan.
I mean, I enjoy some crazy talk.

I didn't mean it in a sense to avoid the subject, I only meant that, if comes a time when good users start to get banned because of diverging views, then maybe it is a better idea to not allow the discussion of said views in the first place. You can't have an honest/healthy conversation/discussion if it is one-sided.

IF (a big if) it comes to that, then, maybe, it would be better to simply not allow the discussion in the first place.
 
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I feel that Alex Jones got "purged" for good reason. basically just fanning the fire in order to sell stuff. as for those subreddits, sites, channels, you can thank capitalism for that (not that I'm promoting communism either, mind you). when it gets to a point that it could mess with their business, big corps WILL take action. that's always been the issue with unpopular opinions and it will never change no matter if those opinions are right or wrong.
Big tech got rich exactly out of allowing such content online during the early days of the web. Now that they have monopolies, they can afford the loss in revenue to push their political agendas. And any new alternative is now being persecuted so that free speech doesn't allow the new companies to outcompete the established monopolies.

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BTW Alex had about 1Million live viewers during their election night livestream. More than just about any livestream in youtube in election night.
 
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Not true.

Once again, I look at Japan as a country that has maintained Capitalism while also not pushing attitudes that are meant to demonize Japan as a nation.

That's the weird part. I was told many times Capitalism only cares about profit and wants the "largest audience", yet why are so many corporations spending billions just to tell Trump supporters to get lost?

you do realize that Asian folks as a whole has VERY different mentality compare to Western folks right? more so when it comes to opinions about family and country. so you really can't compare them with the EU or US.

as for the 2nd part of your question. you know why already. there's more people who either don't have the same idealism as what you call "the largest audience" or don't care about people who rock the boat. big corps did the calculation, know where the money is, and cater to that side instead.
 
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And average Japanese is a "slave" to the corporation 6 day work week 10 hours shift, high suicide rate.
Yet Japan has the highest life expectancy in the world, and many people are desperate to illegally immigrate there so I'm not sure where the "slave" part comes from. Do Syrian refugees want to be slaves in Japan since their applications keep getting rejected?

you do realize that Asian folks as a whole has VERY different mentality compare to Western folks right? more so when it comes to opinions about family and country. so you really can't compare them with the EU or US.

as for the 2nd part of your question. you know why already. there's more people who either don't have the same idealism as what you call "the largest audience" or don't care about people who rock the boat. big corps did the calculation, know where the money is, and cater to that side instead.
Not necessarily. Especially right after WW2 when the U.S did help rebuild these countries. What Japan does today isn't that different to how the U.S and many Western countries were like in the 1950s (and spoiler alert, now you can see why Conservatism is being erased. The Asian countries show the power of having tightknit families and a sense of community).

Also, your second statement is ridiculous. Why does catering to Liberals require shitting on Trump supporters with billion dollar adverts?
That's like saying, for the modern game industry to survive, they must appeal to Resetera while also flashing anti-Neogaf messages? See how ridiculous that sounds, despite being called "Capitalism".
 
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Can I see those posts?

There is evidence of someone plotting a Dylann Roof attack or something?
I can only shake my head at this post.

add/edit: but, here you go.

 
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Dude, your parliament has been run over by lunatics, and your government was on the run.

But, yeah, go on defending this shit.
You just showed me one post where someone clearly CONDEMENED the attack and the user who replied was immediately banned.

I'm not seeing "people" but a person.
 
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This is a fringe case.
Naw this is
 
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I've read your posts in this thread and they sum up my thoughts better than I can put them. I would seriously consider getting rid of the politics discussions on this site in general. I come here to talk about video games and the more active threads as of late are all politics-related.

Maybe it brings in enough ad rev but I think GAF is at risk at of becoming a containment area for politics talk if left unchecked. Which will eventually lead to talk about conspiracy theories. Leave that to another site like Reddit and 4chan.

Problem is, even beloved vidya is infested with this shite.

There's no escaping it.
 
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Seems fine I guess.

However, I am disappointed with the removal of the Harrilson's World thread; it was my go-to for crazy leftist news articles and tweets. I don't see how it was a "breeding ground for hate". I considered it a good source of comedy and also a showcase for the insanely PC times we're living in. Admittedly I usually ignored any debates and just skimmed it for the tweets and headlines so maybe I missed the uglier aspects.

Maybe there's a way we could have a funner more friendly alternative. If not I'm sure I can find some source on reddit or something but I fucking hate reddit and prefer to put off work in one convenient location.
 
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Then maybe EviLore EviLore should close the politics section. It's a better solution than being banned for "wrongthink".

The worst thing any user can experience is to be punished for having an opinion, especially when most users here defended the right of other users to have other views and think differently.


I've seen the same discussion before, I've seen the same situation... users that made GAF what it is today will pay the ultimate price if people are not allowed to answer back. If one side will be limited in what can be politically discussed, then maybe politics shouldn't be discussed at all.

I think there is still a desperate need for a place where moderate/conservative views are allowed. There are numerous positions on the issues that aren’t allowed in some spaces but also don’t encompass the recent conspiracy thinking that led people to thinking storming the US capitol is a good idea.

Maybe I just wasn’t paying attention but I feel like a lot of the mass hysteria in conservative circles didn’t really start until March 2020 and really ramped up after Trump lost in November. So it’s not like these are the default conservative positions since time immemorial.

The Democrats just won both chambers and the presidency. There’s going to be plenty of things to discuss across a broad political perspective and I’d hate to see that go away.
 

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And average Japanese is a "slave" to the corporation 6 day work week 10 hours shift, high suicide rate.


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Karoshi is in grained into them from an early age. It's a cultural issue and has nothing to do with capitalism. Even the corporations were struggling to stop employees from doing that. They were thinking of using drones to enforce work hour restrictions.

What I find ironic is the leftist Gen Zers who worship Japan. Japan is a very conservative country and run by the LDP (equivalent of the Japan's Republican Party for over 50 years.) Their brains are so warped by the Japanimation they think it's some paradise.

The power of media in warping reality.

That's why everyone wants to control the narrative. if Japanimation can make a soul crushing and stifling society look like paradise, imagine what they can do to make paradise look like hell on earth.
 

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Damn. This is really disappointing.

I understand having to make such a choice given the level of risk all websites will now find themselves in, now that basically any disagreement in any way with the left can potentially lead to cancellation, but damn..

NeoGAF was the only forum I know of where there was real, open, free speech, where there were a diverse range of viewpoints, and you could freely voice your opinion without the fear of being silenced (so long as you were civil) and/or where people were not afraid to call you out on your bullshit if you were being stupid.
Now that's gone here, and I honestly don't know where else to find that.

Very disappointing.

Nevertheless, I understand the choice, and I'll follow the rules. Guess I'll just head back to gaming and OT.
 

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By the way, that Japan suicide rate is bullshit. Or it's extremely outdated.

Belgium actually ranks higher in suicides per capita, and the highest is Guyana.


I don't think it's a compelling argument against why my version of Capitalism with Nationalist characteristics is wrong. Especially when here in the West, we are seeing rising suicide rates because of the Covid-19 pandemic and the government measures that killed small businesses and are keeping people inside.


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to the corporation 6 day work week 10 hours shift, high suicide rate.
Same thing exists where I live. There was a local scandal in the news, where people are even working 60 hours a week but they're afraid of speaking out knowing it will get them fired.

 
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Big tech got rich exactly out of allowing such content online during the early days of the web. Now that they have monopolies, they can afford the loss in revenue to push their political agendas. And any new alternative is now being persecuted so that free speech doesn't allow the new companies to outcompete the established monopolies.

I agree that this had been the way it's always been, but at least these days you have an easier time to make your voices heard compare to the old days. the question is how do you use it. if you feel that others are too ignorant in acknowledging the facts that you feel is important, it is up to you to gently convince them with solid facts that you are correct. not just accuse them that they're wrong and blind for not seeing these things. and like I said, sometimes you just have to acknowledge that things had changed. most people and society's value had changed. it's not a pill some folks want to swallow, but sometimes them's the break.


Yet Japan has the highest life expectancy in the world, and many people are desperate to illegally immigrate there so I'm not sure where the "slave" part comes from. Do Syrian refugees want to be slaves in Japan since their applications keep getting rejected?


Not necessarily. Especially right after WW2 when the U.S did help rebuild these countries. What Japan does today isn't that different to how the U.S and many Western countries were like in the 1950s (and spoiler alert, now you can see why Conservatism is being erased. The Asian countries show the power of having tightknit families and a sense of community).

Also, your second statement is ridiculous. Why does catering to Liberals require shitting on Trump supporters with billion dollar adverts?
That's like saying, for the modern game industry to survive, they must appeal to Resetera while also flashing anti-Neogaf messages? See how ridiculous that sounds, despite being called "Capitalism".

first of all, Japan's high life expectancy has more to do with their diet and their social culture. please remember that long living old people had been living for a long time (duh :messenger_tears_of_joy: ). the current toxic work culture over there started around the 70's/80's. so those who are 100+ years old and live in the countryside farming probably were not working in those offices.

and I can tell you that as someone who's born in mainland China, lived in both Hong Kong and Taiwan for a total of 12 years, been to Japan multiple times, and now lived in the US for 25+ years, you can't compare Asia with US. why do you think that Japan overtook US in terms of development back in the 80's and 90's and now China took that lead? Asian conservatism had always been something that's a contradictory, being both skin deep only and at the same time deeply seeded. they're willing to endure changes while still putting out a face of conservatism on the surface. they're also willing to change and compromise on those conservative values in order to advance ahead. there ARE things that they would hold strong on not changing, but there are also much that they're willing to shred. sure, family will always be first there. but at the same time, that's JUST the family. how society changes is another matter. as long as the core of the family value is there, which is to say that family will always be together and watch out for each other, they don't mind how society changes. most evident is that more and more people in Japan are accepting same sex marriage. hell, even in China right now it's getting more acceptance even if CCP don't go with it. remember that Japan, and to an even greater extend, China, had a much longer and more "colorful" history. everyone there knew at least a little bit about different period of war and unrest in their history and in their minds they accept that society itself is subject to change. it's a matter of taking care of your own and don't rock the boat over there.

as for that second point, it's all about the money for big business. think about it. where do most of the conservative folks live? rural areas, small towns. and the liberal folks? cities, metropolis. who would spend more in the big picture? I know those election maps shown lots of red, but the election result tells you that, for lack of a better term, land don't vote. people vote. and you have more total population living in cities and they don't want to see their life style changed, just like folks in rural areas don't want to change their life style. those 2 life style and ideals WILL clash and the big business WILL make a choice, and you best bet that they'll choice the side that's spending more.

I'll say here that I'm more left leaning in ideal so if you don't want to believe what I'm saying, I can totally understand. but there's plenty of things I don't like about the current culture on the left also, which is why I didn't make an account over at ERA, since I know I would probably get ban over there for speaking about those beliefs. my advice for those who are more conservative in mind would be to make compromises. the world is changing faster and faster and the life around you WILL change along with it. some of those changes are the inevitable result that's bundled with the modern life and modern values. if you can hold true to your own value and ideal while still accepting them, that's great. but don't ask them to change, because they won't. it's just like, for lack of a better example (since it's pretty late now and I can't think), if you use Youtube for free, you will get ads. that just comes with it and is the result of how things work. all you can do is hold on to your own beliefs, instead of asking others to alter the changes that comes with "progress".
 

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I agree that this had been the way it's always been, but at least these days you have an easier time to make your voices heard compare to the old days. the question is how do you use it. if you feel that others are too ignorant in acknowledging the facts that you feel is important, it is up to you to gently convince them with solid facts that you are correct. not just accuse them that they're wrong and blind for not seeing these things. and like I said, sometimes you just have to acknowledge that things had changed. most people and society's value had changed. it's not a pill some folks want to swallow, but sometimes them's the break.

When Bill Clinton commented in an interview during 2016 that Hillary Clinton fell frequently, they edited out the word frequently in subsequent airings of the interview. Wanna know where you could find the full unedited interview? Infowars. Alt news were saying there was something wrong with Hillary's health, people said that was conspiracy nonsense. Then Bill Clinton confirmed it, and on 9 11 Hillary fell unconscious during her visit to the memorial and was dragged unconscious to the limousine. Joe Biden had plenty of logical gaffes that brought to question his mental faculties, but the left essentially ignored and buried these. Only in alt news could you see the videos of Joe Biden saying illogical things that put to question his mental faculties being discussed, the american people couldn't see these discussed in any mainstream source.

The Hunter Laptop, it seems now even some of the cp is now online. The media buried it, and only alt news covered it.

All of this essentially would have changed the outcome of the election. FACTS. But msm labelled such conspiracies.
 
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first of all, Japan's high life expectancy has more to do with their diet and their social culture. please remember that long living old people had been living for a long time (duh :messenger_tears_of_joy: ). the current toxic work culture over there started around the 70's/80's. so those who are 100+ years old and live in the countryside farming probably were not working in those offices.
And what do you think I want for Western countries? Why else would I support Conservatism if I do believe in Conserving human life and going back to diets that were more healthy as opposed to being pumped full of artificial ingredients?

Again, this serves as an argument for why Liberal Corporations want to shorten our lifespans. They believe in making Western citizens replaceable! But look at Japan and they expect to hire Japanese people to work at the same company till they're 90 or 100 years old.

and I can tell you that as someone who's born in mainland China, lived in both Hong Kong and Taiwan for a total of 12 years, been to Japan multiple times, and now lived in the US for 25+ years, you can't compare Asia with US. why do you think that Japan overtook US in terms of development back in the 80's and 90's and now China took that lead? Asian conservatism had always been something that's a contradictory, being both skin deep only and at the same time deeply seeded. they're willing to endure changes while still putting out a face of conservatism on the surface. they're also willing to change and compromise on those conservative values in order to advance ahead. there ARE things that they would hold strong on not changing, but there are also much that they're willing to shred. sure, family will always be first there. but at the same time, that's JUST the family. how society changes is another matter. as long as the core of the family value is there, which is to say that family will always be together and watch out for each other, they don't mind how society changes. most evident is that more and more people in Japan are accepting same sex marriage. hell, even in China right now it's getting more acceptance even if CCP don't go with it. remember that Japan, and to an even greater extend, China, had a much longer and more "colorful" history. everyone there knew at least a little bit about different period of war and unrest in their history and in their minds they accept that society itself is subject to change. it's a matter of taking care of your own and don't rock the boat over there.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, and in fact, I do agree that the West & Asia will never be 100% the same, especially at a "skin deep level".
However, you must understand that if you do look at Western society as it was in the 1950s, and then compare it to where Japan is today, then you must see that all that stuff you talk about "family" is literally the Western way of life before it got corrupted.

I know we'll never be 100% Japanese and that is completely acceptable. But that shouldn't mean I have to watch local school children overdose on heroin or crack cocaine, or that the rate of single mothers has grown exponentially.



1950s was "normal". 2008 and beyond is not normal. And Corporations and Liberal Politicians, are only making this worse.

as for that second point, it's all about the money for big business. think about it. where do most of the conservative folks live? rural areas, small towns. and the liberal folks? cities, metropolis. who would spend more in the big picture? I know those election maps shown lots of red, but the election result tells you that, for lack of a better term, land don't vote. people vote. and you have more total population living in cities and they don't want to see their life style changed, just like folks in rural areas don't want to change their life style. those 2 life style and ideals WILL clash and the big business WILL make a choice, and you best bet that they'll choice the side that's spending more.
There are still lots of Conservatives who live in these cities. Hell, I'm one of them. I know for a fact we wont ever overturn Toronto, New York City, Vancouver, but that doesn't mean we don't exist in these places.
And with that, how are Corporations justified in spending billions of dollars telling people like me I'm not welcome here? Especially when they were always customers?

They're happy to take money from Conservatives when they shop at Walmart or buy a Playstation, but they also mock them and harass them when they're not harming anyone? That doesn't make any sense from a business perspective.
I'll say here that I'm more left leaning in ideal so if you don't want to believe what I'm saying, I can totally understand. but there's plenty of things I don't like about the current culture on the left also, which is why I didn't make an account over at ERA, since I know I would probably get ban over there for speaking about those beliefs. my advice for those who are more conservative in mind would be to make compromises. the world is changing faster and faster and the life around you WILL change along with it. some of those changes are the inevitable result that's bundled with the modern life and modern values. if you can hold true to your own value and ideal while still accepting them, that's great. but don't ask them to change, because they won't. it's just like, for lack of a better example (since it's pretty late now and I can't think), if you use Youtube for free, you will get ads. that just comes with it and is the result of how things work. all you can do is hold on to your own beliefs, instead of asking others to alter the changes that comes with "progress".
I look at Brazil, South Africa, Zimbabwe as many examples of why change can be downright evil. And I look at countries in Asia that show a certain level of resistance is needed to stay afloat.

There's always a common theme. Without Nationalism, both Capitalism & Socialism suck the life dry out of a country. Citizens are treated as numbers instead of as human beings worth preserving or entitled to respect.
It's actually ironic that it's now Right-wing politics that espouses this view but the alternative is giving too much power to Corporations who only want to see my culture replaced with one that promotes drug use or broken families.
 
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And what do you think I want for Western countries? Why else would I support Conservatism if I do believe in Conserving human life and going back to diets that were more healthy as opposed to being pumped full of artificial ingredients?

Again, this serves as an argument for why Liberal Corporations want to shorten our lifespans. They believe in making Western citizens replaceable! But look at Japan and they expect to hire Japanese people to work at the same company till they're 90 or 100.


I don't disagree with what you're saying, and in fact, I do agree that the West & Asia will never be 100% the same, especially at a "skin deep level".
However, you must understand that if you do look at Western society as it was in the 1950s, and then compare it where Japan is today, then you must see that all that stuff you talk about "family" is literally the Western way of life before it got corrupted.

I know we'll never be 100% Japanese and that is completely acceptable. But that shouldn't mean I have to watch local school children overdose on heroin or crack cocaine, or that the rate of single mothers has grown exponentially.



1950s was "normal". 2008 and beyond is not normal. And Corporations and Liberal Politicians, are only making this worse.


There are still lots of Conservatives who live in these cities. Hell, I'm one of them. I know for a fact we wont ever overturn Toronto, New York City, Vancouver, but that doesn't mean we don't exist in these places.
And with that, how are Corporations justified in spending billions of dollars telling people like me I'm not welcome here? Especially when they were always customers?

They're happy to take money from Conservatives when they shop at Walmart or buy a Playstation, but they also mock them and harass them when they're not harming anyone? That doesn't make any sense from a business perspective.

I look at Brazil, South Africa, Zimbabwe as many examples of why change can be downright evil. And I look at countries in Asia that show a certain level of resistance is needed to stay afloat.

There's always a common theme. Without Nationalism, both Capitalism & Socialism suck the life dry out of a country. Citizens are treated as numbers instead of as human beings worth preserving or entitled to respect.
It's actually ironic that it's now Right-wing politics that expouses this view but alternative is giving too much power to Corporations who only want to see my culture replaced with one that promotes drug use or broken families.
But conservative policy is what caused the obesity issues..





 
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