$399 for base PS5, $349 discless. Sony knows they can't go same price as XSX because it honestly isn't perceived as the same value. If you're a gamer who is on the fence, you're going to go with XSX if PS5 is same price.
Lets look at it a different way. We know that an 8 core Zen 2 cluster is ~60 mm^2 or more. So if we take that away from the total die size of the XSX APU, we get ~300mm^2 for the non-CPU portion.Look at the difference in relative space usage! On that SX die the special non CPU/GPU parts occupy less than half of that occupied by the CPU, which itself is maybe 20% of the total die. This means that those parts on the PS5 chip would need to be enormously larger in order to come close to losing basically 30% of the GPU.
Don't forget the SX GPU is a 56cu part with 4 disabled for yields so assuming that the PS5 GPU uses 36/40, you are looking at a very substantial space, and thus cost saving. Its likely to be a cheaper part to manufacture, and given how highly its clocked I'd suspect yields have to good.
So seeing how PS5 has an even smaller difference in CUs, it makes sense to think the arrangement is the same, but with less CUs per array. However, thinking about it, there isn't a symmetric arrangement to get there. So actually I think it is likely the PS5 is a 40 CU part, with 4 CUs disabled for yields, as with the desktop 5700. And then we are back with the same ~251mm^2 die size for the GPU portion. I just can't see how the PS5 APU can be much less than 300 mm^2, unless they have taken an axe to the entire design and ripped out the fixed function units.
Sure, I'm not indicating otherwise. I can believe that the BOM for PS5 is $450 and the BOM for the Series X is $500. I just can't see $100 worth of additional savings that would allow Sony to price well below $400, unless they are prepared to lose money on each unit.Its still 40 versus 56. Those components must physically exist in silicon so the space occupied by them is an unavoidable consideration. Look at AMD's Navi block diagram, the compute units occupy the majority of the die space because they are where the complex work gets done. The wavefront array setup isn't relevant to the amount of area they require.
Just assuming, as you suggest, that the PS5 apu sits on 300mm^2 die, that's a pretty huge saving versus a 360mm^2 part fabbed at the same scale. And given how much of the overall bom these chips are likely to represent... a 20% saving on a $200 part is $40, that's a solid chunk.
No they can't , not with the current BOM. It almost bankrupt them with the ps3 after killing it with the ps2.
Sure, I'm not indicating otherwise. I can believe that the BOM for PS5 is $450 and the BOM for the Series X is $500. I just can't see $100 worth of additional savings that would allow Sony to price well below $400, unless they are prepared to lose money on each unit.
Been saying it for awhile. $399 digital with the long term dollars assured. $499 discI think they’ll be far more willing to be aggressive with the Digital Edition price with the expectation that everyone has to go through the PS Store for games and this can only buy the games new. I think they’re going to price the digital one lower than people expect, but price the Standard one probably right where people expect.
PlayStation on how COVID-19 has (and hasn't) changed its launch plans for its next consolewww.gamesindustry.biz
"I think the best way that we can address this is by providing the best possible value proposition that we can. I don't necessarily mean lowest price. Value is a combination of many things. In our area it means games, it means number of games, depth of games, breadth of games, quality of games, price of games... all of these things and how they avail themselves of the feature set of the platform."
Surely that was just something he said to cover his ass at the time because they had no idea what Xbox pricing would be. It may well be that they're going 499 and 399 for normal and digital respectively.
Video game consoles are in the only industry in the world where the consumer sees two products, notices one of them has a different feature, and assumes the difference in price between the two systems should only be the manufacturing cost price of the feature.There will definitely be at least a 100 dollar difference between digital and disc editions.
For some reason people only look at the cost of the disc drive and not the money Sony would make from a digital only console.
Ahhhh The old exclusive content don't matter narrative, well you got what you want lol.Or they DO care about games, with 95% of games being multiplatform, with the majority of them probably being better on XSX.
A lot of people here saying $50 difference from disk to digital. Is it just me or does anyone else think buying digital and cutting off all advantages and ability of physical just to save $50 is absolutely insane! I mean its ridiculously stupid.