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NPD July 2012 Sales Results [Up3: 3DS Hardware Correction - 124K+]

A Human Becoming

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Ah, thought you misread it as June 2012. Mea culpa.

That said, that was simply an upper bound for July 2011. The figure I have for that month is about 20K lower. ;)
I'll adjust my numbers then. Based on that and what Petrae said, 131k135k is my estimate.
 

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I really think the required propriety expensive memory cards are hurting the Vita.
They're definitely bad, but I think people have to know about, and then care about, the PSV before this even becomes an issue.

I don't think most people even know the PSV is out there, or what it offers.
 

Elios83

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Yoshida seems like a great guy and all, but whoever was the main person in charge of the Vita project should be let go.

Yoshida is definetly one of the main people involved in the Vita project, the console was designed with the help of the first party studios and he was the first to showcase its features with actual software (Uncharted and Little Deviants).
The problem with Vita is simply a lack of investement commitment on Sony's part.
They're not treating it as if it was a flagship product, given their financial situation they have probably decided that it isn't worth to pour billions on a handheld gaming device, the market for such products is inevitably shrinking, they are also getting involved into brining Playstation games on smartphones and tablets through the Playstation Suite.
They thought that the system had a good price for its value (which is true) so it would sell decently, that third party support would have come without having to open their wallet every time. They were wrong, the system needed a much more aggressive strategy to find its place in the market.
Vita's future relies on Sony. If they are willing to cut the price and secure relevant support (even if that means that they have to co-develop the most important titles) and market the product properly, it will become successful.
If not, it will be exactly like Gamecube, a niche console with limited support and a few really good games released over its life cycle.
 

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Without a doubt. That coupled with the lack of compelling software is killing the thing at retail.

expensive accessories bring a nice revenue when the "main-thing" itself is selling well...
otherwise they are just useless or hurt the core product if they are necessary to it.
 

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Ah, thought you misread it as June 2012. Mea culpa.

That said, that was simply an upper bound for July 2011. The figure I have for that month is about 20K lower. ;)

So, around 94.4K for July 2011, putting 3DS at somewhere around 135K for this month.
 

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They're definitely bad, but I think people have to know about, and then care about, the PSV before this even becomes an issue.

I don't think most people even know the PSV is out there, or what it offers.

It doesnt offer much beyond gaming that the issue.

Neither it has compelling software at reasonable price to sell a dedicated hardware @ 249+ along with a memory card.
 

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They're definitely bad, but I think people have to know about, and then care about, the PSV before this even becomes an issue.

I don't think most people even know the PSV is out there, or what it offers.

I think people know about it, but the value proposition just isn't there for vast majority of them.
 
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Well, knowing that two hints have already been given about those platforms:

** July NPD Prediction thread aggregate for 3DS was VERY close to actual
** 3DS and DS moved exactly the same number of units

You should be able to put together reasonably close numbers for discussion.

How close are ps3 sales to the aggregate number? Is it greater than 140k?
 

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Vita's future relies on Sony. If they are willing to cut the price and secure relevant support (even if that means that they have to co-develop the most important titles) and market the product properly, it will become successful.
If not, it will be exactly like Gamecube, a niche console with limited support but still a good number of good titles over its life cycle.

From where I'm looking there is a much worse possible future for Vita than Gamecube. Nintendo sold a crap ton of software on gamecube.

Lol. You must be kidding

No hes wrong. It's the biggest flop since the N-gage
 

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i'm placing the bump low because:

-it's august
-the launch is later in the month
-the xl is $199.99

Well, it's going to be out for a full week. The XL only needed two days to sell over 170k in Japan. Plus NSMB2 could also bump original 3DS sales.
 

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Yoshida is definetly one of the main people involved in the Vita project, the console was designed with the help of the first party studios and he was the first to showcase its features with actual software (Uncharted and Little Deviants).
The problem with Vita is simply a lack of investement commitment on Sony's part.
They're not treating it as if it was a flagship product, given their financial situation they have probably decided that it isn't worth to pour billions on a handheld gaming device, the market for such products is inevitably shrinking, they are also getting involved into brining Playstation games on smartphones and tablets through the Playstation Suite.
They thought that the system had a good price for its value (which is true) so it would sell decently, that third party support would have come without having to open their wallet very time. They were wrong, the system needed a much more aggressive strategy to find its place in the market.
Vita's future relies on Sony. If they are willing to cut the price and secure relevant support (even if that means that they have to co-develop the most important titles) and market the product properly, it will become successful.
If not, it will be exactly like Gamecube, a niche console with limited support and a few really good games released over its life cycle.

Unfortunately for Sony a GameCube like performance as a niche console with limited support and a few really good games is looking like a best case scenario
 

nickcv

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The Vita's the biggest failure since the Virtual Boy. I shouldn't have bought into the GAF pre-release hype. :(

let's not be overly pessimistic... it's not at virtual boy levels yet... it could turn out to be at gamecube levels...

anyhow if you really think you made a mistake buying the system i think this is the best time to sell it... i'd personally keep it and enjoy whatever game will come up in the future
 

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The 3DS is "selling gangbusters" in the West now? LOL. Compared to the Vita, sure, but the sales of the 3DS are the very definition of disappointing.

Over the first 17 months the 3DS software revenues have mirrored the NDS in its first 17 months. 3DS also has a bigger installed base than the NDS did at the same point. So, I'd be feeling pretty good if I were them.

The Vita, on the other hand... man I love my Vita. Best game device I've ever bought. But that poor, poor system. Sigh.
 
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I really think the required propriety expensive memory cards are hurting the Vita.

They're definitely bad, but I think people have to know about, and then care about, the PSV before this even becomes an issue.

I don't think most people even know the PSV is out there, or what it offers.

I was thinking it hurt since consumers tend to back off when they go to buy a $250 item and are told "oh by the way you need to buy this extra not terribly cheap item you were unaware of". That would mainly be the casual consumer and yeah given the niche market and the sales of the Vita I don't think too many of them are wandering into stores looking for a Vita.

That being said I do think it would snuff out sales even if Sony could make everyone aware of the Vita and convince them that they want it.
 

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So based on PR math, last year's estimates and last month's estimates.

PS3 + Wii = ~207-215K
PS3 = 137 < x < 148K
Wii = 62 < x < 76K

Edit: And based on combining Petrae and creamsugar's posts PSV = 47-49K
 

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Seriously, kudos to AnalystGAF, which called the Xbox 360 number EXACTLY with its aggregate. Maybe donny2112 can tell us how many times it's been dead on before...

The rest of the numbers, as I pointed out on Twitter and a few times tonight, were really close. Not one aggregate missed by more than 10K either side.

[Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.]
 

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From where I'm looking there is a much worse possible future for Vita than Gamecube. Nintendo sold a crap ton of software on gamecube.

Sony hasn't done anything yet for the Vita.
Give them at least the possibility to take actions before sealing its fate. It's not like it will continue to sell like this forever, it will get much better. Just like with the PS3 and the 3DS.
Also they're expecting shipments of 10m units over the first 12-15 months on the market.
GC did 20m in 4-5 years.
So no this thing is definetly not the VB or the Dremcast. But if Sony doesn't invest and take it seriosuly as a platform it will become their own Gamcube.

Unfortunately for Sony a GameCube like performance as a niche console with limited support and a few really good games is looking like a best case scenario

No not really, again Sony hasn't done a single thing to push this console. It's almost as putting a box with a few games on the market and see as it goes.
They can still aim much higher than GC IF they want to invest and take it seriously (price cuts, redesigns, moneyhatting big games,and so on).
 

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Over the first 17 months the 3DS software revenues have mirrored the NDS in its first 17 months. 3DS also has a bigger installed base than the NDS did at the same point. So, I'd be feeling pretty good if I were them.

The Vita, on the other hand... man I love my Vita. Best game device I've ever bought. But that poor, poor system. Sigh.

DS sold like shit its first year and a half in America. The 3DS outselling it is good but not a big accomplishment.

So no this thing is not the VB or the Dremcast. But if Sony doesn't invest and take it serisouly it will become their Gamcube.

If they don't invest or take it seriously retailers will stop ordering it and it will be worse than the gamecube. The gamecube software wise would be an amazing situation for Sony
 

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They're definitely bad, but I think people have to know about, and then care about, the PSV before this even becomes an issue.

I don't think most people even know the PSV is out there, or what it offers.

Even if you decide to make the move and get one, you get to the counter thinking it's $250 then the clerk tells you system literally won't work with all the games unless you buy a memory card which of course, they will upsell the most expensive one. Consumer sees initial cost skyrocket and consumer puts system back on shelf.

It was one of the things that held me back that I couldn't use open memory.
 

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Yeah Sony the memory card is stupid. If it's there, every Vuita game should have room set aside on the cart for saves and updates, but of course they don't.

We should really get the OP updates with the fairly accurate estimates.
 

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Over the first 17 months the 3DS software revenues have mirrored the NDS in its first 17 months. 3DS also has a bigger installed base than the NDS did at the same point. So, I'd be feeling pretty good if I were them.

The Vita, on the other hand... man I love my Vita. Best game device I've ever bought. But that poor, poor system. Sigh.

The Vita is absolutely stunning in every sense. It's gorgeous. The screen is OMFG amazing. Ability to have all your games on your device at all times wonderous. Dual analogs that feel fantastic.

It could only take the incompetence of Sony to kill such an amazing device.
 

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DS sold like shit its first year and a half in America. The 3DS outselling it is good but not a big accomplishment.

A lot of how we assess the 3DS in America from here on out will depend on how important a benchmark one feels the DS is.
 

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Sony hasn't done anything yet for the Vita.
Give them at least the possibility to take actions before sealing its fate. It's not like it will continue to sell like this forever, it will get much better. Just like with the PS3 and the 3DS.
Also they're expecting shipments of 10m units over the first 12-15 months on the market.
GC did 20m in 4-5 years.
So no this thing is not the VB or the Dremcast. But if Sony doesn't invest and take it seriosuly as a platform it will become their own Gamcube.

They can expect all the shipments that they want but as we've seen, their expectations don't line up with reality.
 

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The PSP Go had momentum?

(FWIW, the PSP Go is probably my favorite handheld of all time, closely followed by the Lynx.)

haha seriously. PSPgo had momentum when it was announced and lost it about about 5 seconds later when they announced the price and the whole fiasco with many old UMDs not being on PSN. It had zero momentum. Zero. Actually the opposite. It pissed people off.
 

metalslimer

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Yeah Sony the memory card is stupid. If it's there, every Vuita game should have room set aside on the cart for saves and updates, but of course they don't.

We should really get the OP updates with the fairly accurate estimates.

Yeah and see what happens to next months NPD. We'll be stuck with with the top 10 forever.

fuck npd
 

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So... PSP+Vita<Wii?

I just can't relieve either of the big fall third-party Vita games are going to be priorities for their publishers at this point. Here's hoping P4 sells well enough to establish the Vita as a legit platform for niche releases at least.
 

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Lol. You must be kidding

Not at all. Even the Saturn didn't bomb at this level did it? That technically came out before the VB but lasted far beyond it.. but nothing else has bombed at this level since. For it to still be under 700k in the US and barely over that in Japan is just mindblowing.. the fact they haven't slashed prices is insane. Sony must be losing so much per unit that they're content to just let it die on the vine. There's no confidence from Sony and there's little to no software coming from anyone. It's not looking good.

I've played VC2 on it more than any native software.
 

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expensive accessories bring a nice revenue when the "main-thing" itself is selling well...
otherwise they are just useless or hurt the core product if they are necessary to it.

This is the first time in history a game system couldn't run every launch game out of the box though. Optional accessories are one thing, required ones make it seem like the original unit is broken.
 

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Sony hasn't done anything yet for the Vita.
Give them at least the possibility to take actions before sealing its fate. It's not like it will continue to sell like this forever, it will get much better. Just like with the PS3 and the 3DS.
Also they're expecting shipments of 10m units over the first 12-15 months on the market.
GC did 20m in 4-5 years.
So no this thing is definetly not the VB or the Dremcast. But if Sony doesn't invest and take it seriosuly as a platform it will become their own Gamcube.

You really think they'll hit the (already reduced once) shipment targets? Now we really need the lol smiley back