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[Square2015]

WiiU vs. Wii, GC, N64
Going with the 31k figure


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Aug LTDs:
WiiU 1.25m
Wii 4.0m
GC 2.1m
N64 3.6m

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Looking at Pikmin 3's sales WW so far it doesn't look like it is going to turn a profit. With such a small userbase Nintendo is unlikely to start funding big 50 million dollar projects for it.

Do you have some insight as to what the budget for Pikmin 3 is?

 

[CouldBeWorse]

the vita isn't selling in japan because of indies. it's selling because of a particular type of software. the wii u will be able to make a home for family-oriented games and kid-friendly games beyond nintendo's stuff. we're already seeing it happen.

But you were talking about a Vita-style FAITHFUL audience. Consumers who buy family-oriented games typically aren't faithful to anything but Starbucks and Apple.

That Vita audience will be smaller, but they'll be more reliable and will stick around.

 

[AniHawk]

Does anyone have numbers on past Ubisoft WiiU games?

Be interesting to know total sales for Ubi games on WiiU.

zombiu - 145k
just dance - 130k
asscreed 3 - 65k
rabbids land - 25k

ubisoft won't abandon the wii u, but we won't be seeing asscreed or splinter cell, especially after they move on to the paywall twins. stuff like just dance and rayman will probably still see releases.

 

[Kater]

Damn at the Splinter Cell numbers on WiiU. I think you can say goodbye to Ubisoft pretty soon as well.

Deus Ex will probably get the same sales. Maybe Watch Dogs has a chance, as it is a completely new IP.

 

[ascii42]

Damn at the Splinter Cell numbers on WiiU. I think you can say goodbye to Ubisoft pretty soon as well.

For certain titles, but I think stuff like Rayman will still have a place on the WiiU

 

[Miles X]

zombiu - 145k
just dance - 130k
asscreed 3 - 65k
rabbids land - 25k

ubisoft won't abandon the wii u, but we won't be seeing asscreed or splinter cell, especially after they move on to the paywall twins. stuff like just dance and rayman will probably still see releases.

Thanks, not bad sales for JD given it's multi. Wonder how that userbase will transition in the long run (if at all)

I agree with you, I think if ACIV doesn't see a considerable uptick over 3, it's game over for core Ubi games on WiiU.

And I don't think we're going to get many more Rayman games for a while now anyway.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

WiiU vs. Wii, GC, N64
Going with the 31k figure

Embolden titles = first party

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Wonderful 101 doesn't belong on a chart that' says "high-selling software."

And damn do I miss Blast Corps. God I adored that game!

 

[AniHawk]

But you were talking about a Vita-style FAITHFUL audience. Consumers who buy family-oriented games typically aren't faithful to anything but Starbucks and Apple.

That Vita audience will be smaller, but they'll be more reliable and will stick around.

i'm not talking about people who are into whatever their friends are talking about. i'm talking about people who buy the 'e for everyone' types of games because that's what appeals to them the most. sometimes it's families, sometimes it's kids, but that's not always the case.

 

[AniHawk]

And I don't think we're going to get many more Rayman games for a while now anyway.

that's true. ancel is probably neck deep in beyond good & evil 2.

 

[Warm Machine]

Do you have some insight as to what the budget for Pikmin 3 is?

Wasn't it supposed to be a Wii game originally? I'd guess 3 years at the shortest x 70 people at 80k per year that would be 16.8million. Not counting QA or other Nintendo overhead. Plus manufacturing and world wide marketing. Looking at 30 million at the cheapest. They may have made 12 million on it by now.

 

[AniHawk]

Wasn't it supposed to be a Wii game originally? I'd guess 3 years at the shortest x 70 people at 80k per year that would be 16.8million. Not counting QA or other Nintendo overhead. Plus manufacturing and world wide marketing. Looking at 30 million at the cheapest. They may have made 12 million on it by now.

you might want to lower your average salary a bit there.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

And I don't think we're going to get many more Rayman games for a while now anyway.

:/

And I'm part of the problem since I'm waiting on the inevitable price drop, which we all know is coming soon, despite the fact that I loved the demo even more than I loved the first game.

It's just too close to GTA5 and the new consoles.

you might want to lower your average salary a bit there.

Including benefits and overhead, it's probably pretty accurate.

 

[Miles X]

:/

And I'm part of the problem since I'm waiting on the inevitable price drop, which we all know is coming soon, despite the fact that I loved the demo even more than I loved the first game.

It's just too close to GTA5 and the new consoles.

I'm waiting for a next gen port, if there isn't one then no buy, I'm done with these current systems!

Still I don't think you're part of the problem, I think this is typically a 'leggy' franchise that does ok in the long run.

 

[Warm Machine]

you might want to lower your average salary a bit there.

That would be what a Vancouver independent development company's like UFG's overhead is, let alone a Nintendo.

 

[Square2015]

Wonderful 101 doesn't belong on a chart that' says "high-selling software."

And damn do I miss Blast Corps. God I adored that game!

That may end up being the case. We used to think it would be a hit...as we did Super Luigi U, wario U, MH whatever, I remove them when they dont become hits. I'll remove 101 next month.
Those (historical) titles on that list debuted roughly around 100k or more thus "hits" but less so for the older data.

...

Would it be possible to get FFIII, IV DS LTDs...?

 

[kswiston]

That would be what a Vancouver independent development company's like UFG's overhead is, let alone a Nintendo.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/118701/Report_Japanese_Developer_Salaries_Average_57590.php

 

[allan-bh]

zombiu - 145k
just dance - 130k
asscreed 3 - 65k
rabbids land - 25k

This is LTD including august?

 

[Miles X]

This is LTD including august?

Probably not, when new games like SC are doing less than 5k tho, you can't imagine any of those games sold decent numbers past being on shelves for 2 months ...

 

[Warm Machine]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/118701/Report_Japanese_Developer_Salaries_Average_57590.php

Once again, Nintendo. Also, salary is one thing, overhead per employee is another.

 

[AOC83]

WiiU vs. Wii, GC, N64
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Doing less than a third of the monthly Gamecube numbers, well that`s quite an accomplishment.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Wasn't it supposed to be a Wii game originally? I'd guess 3 years at the shortest x 70 people at 80k per year that would be 16.8million. Not counting QA or other Nintendo overhead. Plus manufacturing and world wide marketing. Looking at 30 million at the cheapest. They may have made 12 million on it by now.

So the answer is no, then.

 

[Chamber]

Sales of fellow multiplatform game Lost Planet 3, which was recently delayed to August, are also expected to come in at 1.2 million units.

lol

Even though nobody asked for Lost Planet 3, it pains me to see Capcom failing this hard.

 

[Warm Machine]

So the answer is no, then.

Get this, the staff numbers are known. The average salary of a staff person can be averaged. The development time is known. Marketing and production is typically double the dev budget. Therefor the budget is reasonably easy to estimate. Three years is generously short too considering they confirmed they were working on it in 2008!

 

[allan-bh]

WiiU vs. Wii, GC, N64
Aug LTDs:
WiiU 1.25m
Wii 4.0m
GC 2.1m
N64 3.6m

Terrible situation for Wii U.

You have monthly sales for these old consoles like N64?

 

[allan-bh]

Probably not, when new games like SC are doing less than 5k tho, you can't imagine any of those games sold decent numbers past being on shelves for 2 months ...

I mean if these numbers are updated with august NPD.

 

[Calamari41]

Marketing and production is typically double the dev budget. Therefor the budget is reasonably easy to estimate.!

Come on now. You think Pikmin 3 had anywhere near a "typical" marketing budget? What game do you consider to have had a "typical" marketing campaign?

 

[RukusProvider]

WiiU vs. Wii, GC, N64
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Aug LTDs:
WiiU 1.25m
Wii 4.0m
GC 2.1m
N64 3.6m

Anyone thinking the WiiU or VIta has *ANY* chance in the US is out of their mind and need to step outside of gaf thread specific to those devices and their games.

There is no mindshare out there for these devices and going into the holidays, it's only going to get worse.

 

[jmls1121]

And LOL at 70 people working on Pikmin 3 for a sustained 3 years. It probably was a couple guys eating rice balls and coming up with concepts for half of that time.

 

[AniHawk]

Anyone thinking the WiiU or VIta has *ANY* chance in the US is out of their mind and need to step outside of gaf thread specific to those devices and their games.

There is no mindshare out there for these devices and going into the holidays, it's only going to get worse.

i think the wii u has a better shot at it. the vita's getting closer to what should be the prime of its life with no signs of improving, nor anything to help it do so.

 

[donny2112]

It probably would've been a handful of guys working around with concepts for like 7 years, and then a year or two of full-blown production with people who share their work across projects for the most part. Nintendo isn't typically siloed in their development for games.

 

[Lostconfused]

Ouch, shame about the Splinter Cell numbers.

 

[overcast]

I hate to bring this up here. We don't know the numbers, but it seems like it was a decent idea for Ubi to put Rayman out on all consoles.

It would have put up really lackluster numbers on WiiU.

 

[Sakura]

Get this, the staff numbers are known. The average salary of a staff person can be averaged. The development time is known. Marketing and production is typically double the dev budget. Therefor the budget is reasonably easy to estimate. Three years is generously short too considering they confirmed they were working on it in 2008!

You honestly think they had 70 people, for three years straight, working on nothing but Pikmin 3? I don't believe Pikmin 3 had a "typical" marketing campaign either.

 

[DaBoss]

I hate to bring this up here. We don't know the numbers, but it seems like it was a decent idea for Ubi to put Rayman out on all consoles.

It would have put up really lackluster numbers on WiiU.

Here is the funny thing, in the UK, it sold the most on the Wii U. The game bombed on every platform.

 

[kswiston]

So that Pikmin 3 bump in Japan looks pretty epic now when compared to what the game did for sales in the US.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Anyone thinking the WiiU or VIta has *ANY* chance in the US is out of their mind and need to step outside of gaf thread specific to those devices and their games.

There is no mindshare out there for these devices and going into the holidays, it's only going to get worse.

Selling worse than the gamecube is just crazy, it's amazing the "records" the WiiU is setting.

 

[bigboss370]

wonder how many ps3s that GTA V bundle is gonna move next week.

 

[kswiston]

wonder how many ps3s that GTA V bundle is gonna move next week.

I'd say a negligible number. People who were going to buy a PS3 this month anyhow will probably pick up the bundle (why not if you are interested in GTAV?), but I doubt base sales go up much more than 10%.

 

[pieatorium]

i think the wii u has a better shot at it. the vita's getting closer to what should be the prime of its life with no signs of improving, nor anything to help it do so.

chance at what though? Wii U i going to sell worse than the gamecube, ~900k behind in under a year and it's not going to push a million this nov+dec @ $300 so it's likely to be over a million behind by the time its a year old.

Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda etc have to sell better than their gamecube counterparts and bring in more new users to the system than those games just to sell as well as the gamecube did.

Will the WiiU end up with a higher ltd than vita in the US? yes.

Does it have any chance of being a relevant platform for anything other than Nintendo and kids games? no.

 

[narton]

Quick question, when it says

"Xbox 360: 96K (-50.3%) [Best Selling Console]"

Is that 50% down from last month, or last August?

 

[antonz]

chance at what though? Wii U i going to sell worse than the gamecube, ~900k behind in under a year and it's not going to push a million this nov+dec @ $300 so it's likely to be over a million behind by the time its a year old.

Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda etc have to sell better than their gamecube counterparts and bring in more new users to the system than those games just to sell as well as the gamecube did.

Will the WiiU end up with a higher ltd than vita in the US? yes.

Does it have any chance of being a relevant platform for anything other than Nintendo and kids games? no.

I don't think you can even begin to make any definitive statements about how Nintendo will do this holiday season. The Only guarantees this holiday is PS4/Xbone will sale great out the door then who knows what the future holds.

 

[Visualante2]

chance at what though? Wii U i going to sell worse than the gamecube, ~900k behind in under a year and it's not going to push a million this nov+dec @ $300 so it's likely to be over a million behind by the time its a year old.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm wondering. Everyone is pointing towards the next thing and brushing the current situation under the carpet. But few are drawing a line in the sand and saying this would be a good number for Nintendo.

 

[Sakura]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm wondering. Everyone is pointing towards the next thing and brushing the current situation under the carpet. But few are drawing a line in the sand and saying this would be a good number for Nintendo.

If Nintendo ends up making more than what they spent on the Wii U by selling 10 million or 20 million units + all the software, then I think that would be a good number. I don't expect the system to make some crazy turn around and sell 40 million units. But if it doesn't end up like the original Xbox where it made MS like, 0 money, then I don't think it is a big deal.

 

[Anth0ny]

WiiU vs. Wii, GC, N64
Going with the 31k figure


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Aug LTDs:
WiiU 1.25m
Wii 4.0m
GC 2.1m
N64 3.6m

It's pretty pathetic that even with a price drop/new bundle and three "big" games dropping in September (Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends), Wii U still won't surpass Gamecube sales next month.

I'd love to be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

well it's more similar to OoT 3D and that game did move units. turned the dying 3DS ship around

Handheld re-releases/remakes typically do much better than console re-rereleases/remakes. Probably due to the novelty of playing the desired game on a portable platform. Even the most amazing remake of all time (Resident Evil) didn't do crazy numbers compared to a new numbered entry in the series.

 

[AniHawk]

chance at what though? Wii U i going to sell worse than the gamecube, ~900k behind in under a year and it's not going to push a million this nov+dec @ $300 so it's likely to be over a million behind by the time its a year old.

a chance at some sort of stable userbase for a generation. nintendo's conservatism drove them to this point, but it can also make the wii u profitable for them in the long run.

Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda etc have to sell better than their gamecube counterparts and bring in more new users to the system than those games just to sell as well as the gamecube did.

i think the disconnect here is that i'm not saying that even the gamecube is the floor for what a profitable console can be. but as crummy as the wii u is doing, i think nintendo has more options with it now than they ever did with the gamecube. when that machine wasn't selling great, it was doing so at $150 and $100 almost all its life.

Will the WiiU end up with a higher ltd than vita in the US? yes.

Does it have any chance of being a relevant platform for anything other than Nintendo and kids games? no.

that sounds about right. however i don't think xbox one or the ps4 will be a relevant platform for kids games. it looks like things will be a lot more separated next gen.

 

[gigantor21]

It's pretty pathetic that even with a price drop/new bundle and three "big" games dropping in September (Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends), Wii U still won't surpass Gamecube sales next month.

I'd love to be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

I never imagined that the WiiU would be doing so badly that it would need to boost it's month-to-month sales six times over just to catch up to the Gamecube. Just unbelievable.

 

[AniHawk]

It's pretty pathetic that even with a price drop/new bundle and three "big" games dropping in September (Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends), Wii U still won't surpass Gamecube sales next month.

I'd love to be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

if it did, sales would have to increase twentyfold the week the tww hd bundle hits. from there, the wii u might as well be one of the most popular gaming platforms of all-time because even at half that amount, it would do about 350k in october.

part of me wonders if the ps4 and xbox one do sell well, if that will give everything else a bit of a boost as well. it seems the public doesn't really care about video game systems right now.

 

[Quadraphonic]

It's pretty pathetic that even with a price drop/new bundle and three "big" games dropping in September (Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends), Wii U still won't surpass Gamecube sales next month.

I'd love to be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

Not even that.

Even with a price drop, it probably won't even get above the GameCube's WORST month.