Welfare
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Wasn't that 21% for revenue?
And that thing in the corner is a person? Thought it was a statue.
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NPD Sales Results for January 2016
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Wasn't that 21% for revenue?
And that thing in the corner is a person? Thought it was a statue.
spatenfloot
Member
Don't blink.
Obliterator
Member
In the current market conditions devs and pubs want that thing locked down. They dont want anything out there, whether hugely successful or not. There are always exceptions of course
Yes, but there haven't been any official price drops, either. The 3DSXL is unofficially dropped in price, but stores are pushing the n3DSXL, so kind of figuring it's a wash to differentiate Units vs. Revenue in that case.
serversurfer
Member
Indeed. I never really understood the mentality that companies are interchangeable or somehow divorced from their own actions. You'd be laughed at if you tried to say the same about people. Would you suggest it doesn't matter who your surgeon is, or who teaches your children, or who Obama appoints to the Court? #SCOTUS #WhyNotTrump
That's a very MS attitude, actually. Traditionally, MS have put as much distance between themselves and users as is possible, and they certainly don't view users as their customers. As Greenberg explained, retail is an XBox customer, because they're the ones buying the hardware and software. Publishers are also XBox customers, when they pay MS to appear on the platform. You may be a Windows user, but you're not a Windows customer. Dell is a Windows customer. You're a Dell customer. Or a GameStop customer. Or an EA customer. "Someone else's problem," basically.
Phil said he already tried that, starting some, and "looking at" others. Remember he's been in charge of game development at MS for several years now, and while it may appear he's been twiddling his thumbs that entire time, he claims otherwise. Having tried and failed to both build and buy a compelling IP of his own, he decided to pay to keep Tomb Raider off the platforms he was competing with at the time; PS4, and to a lesser extent, Windows.
I do indeed. Thanks, as always. <3
If absolute values for each aren't available, perhaps something relative? PS4 +7%, or whatever? Or is there enough marketing happening on one side or the other that a direct ASP comparison isn't particularly useful? Would that then also apply to MoM and YoY differences for a specific console, much less relative to each other? So Bone was discounted 5% on average, but we have no idea if they were also including an additional $50 gift card, so the 5% change doesn't really tell us much at all?
Seems like maybe it was just miscommunication. The "spin" comment had nothing to do with the math itself, but rather VentureBeat's use of it. Math is Math, and Spin is Spin. Sometimes Math is used to create Spin, and other times it isn't.
Pretty reasonable to assume there would be a fair bit of overlap there, yes.
Well, Sony pretty much had the full support of the development community in years past, AFAIK. So if support that then dwindled to being half-hearted and/or patchy, that may feel like "basically zero" to Sony.
If you're referring to the "Tara Reid speech," I think you misunderstood what he was saying. He wasn't really saying Sony were mistreating their developers in any way, or failing to provide the support they needed, or anything of the sort. And he certainly wasn't saying that Sony were worse than any publisher in this regard. The only reason his working at Sony was even relevant was because their other business interests exposed the issue to him; namely, that developers should be treated like celebrities like movie stars, directors, etc. If anything was "addressed to Sony," it was that of all game publishers, they should already understand that content creators should be celebrated, because of their dealings in the movie and music business. He actually made a very solid argument, and I think Sony have made a lot of positive moves in that area, as a matter of fact. Maybe you should watch the lecture again.
In what way?
"Killing bad guys with math" is the main appeal of RPG and strategy games for me.
Thanks, I'll check them out. She used to play WoW, but I'm not sure she's ever played anything turn-based, so maybe I'll let her try Persona, seeing as how she's kinda adopted my Vita. lol
Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Like anything, there's plenty of stuff I'd personally improve, but yeah, pretty much anything Q Games make is an insta-buy for me; always quirky and consistently quality. I guess I just figured out what the "Q" stands for.
How about a real, green friend, named Elliott?
1st Course
Member
Why we still predict for the 3DS? Clearly very few people if any care about its performance and not like we get numbers for the other handheld to make sense of the numbers.
Pretty much the only time we talk about it is by the end of the thread to get the prediction results going.
Pretty much the only time we talk about it is by the end of the thread to get the prediction results going.
Meanwhile SFV completely collapsed on Amazon. I wonder if this is from the delivery problems?
DriftingSpirit
Member
I think it is the stock problems as PS4 fell too and it was having stock troubles for a bit.
It's sold by third party right now on Amazon
CosmicQueso
Member
PS4 average price was down -12% YoY, Xone -5%.
Most measures are useful in some way, but no particular measure will ever explain the full story. All are just pieces to the puzzle. Retail placement, retail inventory, retail promotion, marketing, PR, pricing, macro economic events, even weather can all impact sales in a particular period.
It tells you how much, on average, a consumer spent to acquire a console. That's it.
Obliterator
Member
Don't underestimate Fates. If they had combined SKU's for NPD it would chart very well
Do we have any idea how the SKU's will be counted? From Pokemon I'd assume they'd be separate, but Smash 3DS/U was combined despite them having different names. So it could go either way. Does NPD decide how to count it?
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Being seen as a failing platform, or at least not a winner, leads to the betamax/vhs situation where consumers actively avoid your platform. Hiding hardware numbers makes sense for some. And in the case of Nintendo, it is extra important because they do not want the entire business of hh gaming being seen as failing. Ninja's are real.
serversurfer
Member
Ya, seems it doesn't have prime with the game right now.This probably explains it.
What if Fates sells +300K including digital in February NPD?
That's could be Amazing.
It would be fate.
Primethius
Banned
I'm thinking that SFV reception is going to hurt the game hard.
Cyber Sleuth save us!
Steverulez
Member
I could be wrong but I think that will be more of a PC thing than PS4, Steam reviews for the time being will hurt it but given how the titles in the NPD top 10 are sticking around because they are service based/releasing more content in a steady stream then as Street Fighter improves I think that will help it plus publishers seem to be more aggressive on pricing these days
Bolivar687
Banned
Well, Sony pretty much had the full support of the development community in years past, AFAIK. So if support that then dwindled to being half-hearted and/or patchy, that may feel like "basically zero" to Sony.
If you're referring to the "Tara Reid speech," I think you misunderstood what he was saying. He wasn't really saying Sony were mistreating their developers in any way, or failing to provide the support they needed, or anything of the sort. And he certainly wasn't saying that Sony were worse than any publisher in this regard. The only reason his working at Sony was even relevant was because their other business interests exposed the issue to him; namely, that developers should be treated like celebrities like movie stars, directors, etc. If anything was "addressed to Sony," it was that of all game publishers, they should already understand that content creators should be celebrated, because of their dealings in the movie and music business. He actually made a very solid argument, and I think Sony have made a lot of positive moves in that area, as a matter of fact. Maybe you should watch the lecture again.
No, I was talking about at the start of this gen. On the Bonus Round shortly after E3 2013, Jason Rubin remarked that leading up to the reveals, the industry was expecting Microsoft to win or even run away with this gen. I'm really interested in the logic behind that, given everything we know about ROTW and hoe thatbplayed into the way in which the PS3 was able to catch the Xbox 360 last generation.
It's not the same but along the same lines about Sony developer support being zero. From what I understand that was more true of the beginning of the PS3 gen.
Primethius
Banned
This is a good point. I suppose we'll see how the Internet reception vs. critical reception will end up affecting the game.
SteamSpy has started going down, in fact, so...
... Reception has definitely started to hurt.
Obliterator
Member
Primethius
Banned
Wow. Can you give insights as to why the gap is going to be large? Or is it more the mindshare now?
Obliterator
Member
Just me extrapolating is all. Just my expectations. Also for the record I haven't upped my SFV prediction at all.
After a while, and once the generation has settled, it becomes a recursive thing of "friends are on X, I buy X" which feeds itself over and over. Only times this will change is if something disrupts the market, but the X1 and PS4 are pretty much "dull" in terms of being able to cause ripples at this point. So the X1 can't do anything but fall further and further behind.
The next things with be PSVR, NX, and whatever else makes it way out of the wood work.
Primethius
Banned
Interesting.
And dammit, your last predication was 200-300k?
That's what I would peg it at too with the post launch reception. Around 260k, if I was to bet (and lose knowing me).
Obliterator
Member
Yeah I said 200-300k. Maybe it'll add another 50k on top of that but its going to be near that range I feel pretty strongly on. Ya never know though
Primethius
Banned
Those would be some really disappointing numbers I feel. I expected it to do atleast what one version of SFIV did back in the day.
spatenfloot
Member
Both should be higher due to the tax refunds kicking in, but PS4 would benefit more as the market leader I think.
What about Cyber Sleuth? How is it doing so far?
Gunslinger
Member
Judging from how its selling on amazon and how bad the steam sales are there isn't much hope for SFV imo. Unless it sells a miracle amount on ps4 I doubt it will even make the top 10. Heck i doubt it will even sell 500k worldwide. I hope it does I love the game and what little is there is amazing. No other FG even comes close when it comes to the mechanics.
I think they only expect to ship 2 million WW before the end of their fiscal year. They will no doubt make that target.
I just suspect this game will have legs. It'll last the entire gen. And once the tournament season really picks up it'll see spikes in sales.
I also think they suspected a drop in sales. Which is why they are going with the service like approach to this game. There was a lot of pent up demand for SF4 because there hadn't been a release in like 10 years.
Yep. Plus the Xbox One had no major exclusive retail releases this month while the PS4 had Street Fighter V.
I'm expecting at least 100k for the gap.
spatenfloot
Member
Current month Amazon update:
Fire Emblem #4 & 7
SFV #18
PS4 CoD bundle #16
Xbone GoW bundle #29
Fire Emblem #4 & 7
SFV #18
PS4 CoD bundle #16
Xbone GoW bundle #29
Xbox One is basically $299 at most major retailers or come with free gift cards, games , headsets , controllers & so on.
Primethius
Banned
I'm thinking Amazon is going to be more deceptive then usual for SFV. That game had shipment delays which resulted in many cancellations I'd bet. I'm a Bison player and I had to give up that damn sexy costume just so I could get the game on launch day.
serversurfer
Member
Ah, right on. I missed that one, but I typically don't pay much attention to pundits and stuff.
Welfare
Member
After 2010, the 360 and PS3 were kicking ass, but I think people have to realize that the US is extremely important to all these third party developers, and the 360 was absolutely kicking the PS3's ass in the region. At most, the difference between the PS3 and 360 in individual European countries was 1.5:1 (?), and in most of those countries, that difference didn't amount to much. The PS3 lead the 360 by like 1 million in Germany and France, while in the UK, the 360 lead closer to 3 million.
Everyone expected MS to capitalize on the success of the 360 and basically destroy the PS4 right out of the gate. They had the momentum in the US and had a fanbase in Europe and the ROTW to grow with a new Xbox, so, how could they not win??
Oh wait, we do know how.
Birthright has now run out of stock even on Amazon.
Gunslinger
Member
So... Fire Emblem Fates > Street Fighter V on February NPD?
Also yeah, PS4 / XB1 gap is gonna be huge.
About ~150K as welfere say seem reasonable.
any game coming out on february will probably outsell SFV. Far cry primal will probably outsell it too.
So, who will win between Far Cry Primal and Fire Emblem Fates?
I think this battle will be way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY closer than people expect.
If Far Cry 4 has sold "only" 670,000 in 2 weeks of November, i think people should not expect much from Far Cry primal in one week of February.
I'm ok in both case since i love both series.