NPD Sales Results for May 2013 [Up2: 360, 3DS Est, Software lowest since May 2000]

Jun 18, 2005
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On the contrary -- Considering the attach rate, I'd say NSMBU was a system seller, just not to as many people as Nintendo would've hoped. But the majority of people who bought the system bought it for that game, at least in part.
Not to be too mean, but a "system seller" would sell systems. Even though NSMBU is being picked up by the small number of people who buy a Wii U, it clearly doesn't have the power to actually sell systems. I'd say the attach rate is more indicative of the small, low-quality library than the draw of that particular game.

At this point, the only thing selling the Wii U is the Nintendo brand name.
 
Jun 18, 2005
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Wii outselling Wii U. How much would i've liked to see Nintendo giving strong support to the system for 2 more years instead of dropping it post 2010. Wonder how that would have changed things.
Interesting question. I'd venture to say, it would've helped significantly. Normally, the market leader enjoys a large degree of anticipation for the follow-up to a still-popular product. The Wii was a has-been by the time the Wii U arrived. Of course, that was only one of several problems the Wii U faced, and not even the largest.
 
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Not to be too mean, but a "system seller" would sell systems. Even though NSMBU is being picked up by the small number of people who buy a Wii U, it clearly doesn't have the power to actually sell systems. I'd say the attach rate is more indicative of the small, low-quality library than the draw of that particular game.

At this point, the only thing selling the Wii U is the Nintendo brand name.
Without NSMBU, Wii U would probably be doing Virtual Boy type numbers.... I'd say NSMBU is a system seller, but having one system seller to sell a 350 dollar console is not going to get the system anywhere
 

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So with TLOU being a huge succes and 360 having...nothing, is there a chance PS3 is finally breaking the streak in June? That's something Sony could brag about and which could give them some momentum for next gen
 
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So with TLOU being a huge succes and 360 having...nothing, is there a chance PS3 is finally breaking the streak in June? That's something Sony could brag about and which could give them some momentum for next gen
I don't think TLOU would really be a PS3 pusher this late in the generation. Plus, MS released the new Xbox 360 model which will likely give the 360 a slight boost in sales.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
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I don't think TLOU would really be a PS3 pusher this late in the generation. Plus, MS released the new Xbox 360 model which will likely give the 360 a slight boost in sales.
We talked about the new 360 SKU in the Prediction thread and...looking at Amazon ranking, it doesn't seem to be what you'd call a booster. At all.
 
We talked about the new 360 SKU in the Prediction thread and...looking at Amazon ranking, it doesn't seem to be what you'd call a booster. At all.
I'm not sure the Amazon ranking would be a good barometer given the audience for extreme end of life consoles probably shops retail.

That said I wouldn't expect it to do much regardless.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
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I'm not sure the Amazon ranking would be a good barometer given the audience for extreme end of life consoles probably shops retail.

That said I wouldn't expect it to do much regardless.
It was extremely low. Here's how much

About Xbox 360's new SKU: I haven't seen it rocking the house anywhere.
Actually, on Amazon.com
4GB SKU - 1,825th
4GB with Kinect SKU - 14,590th
250 GB - 2,550th

Abismally low.

Instead

Animal Crossing: New Leaf 3DS XL Special Edition - 352nd

And this despite being sold not on Amazon, but from a third party seller. At 369$. With just three units in stock.
Agreed. Another comparison:

Wii U, Premium Edition:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #184 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#1 in Video Games > Wii U > Consoles

Wii U, Basic Edition:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #546 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#2 in Video Games > Wii U > Consoles
#3 in Video Games > Wii > Consoles

Xbox 360 Remodeled, 4 GB:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,975 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#10 in Video Games > Xbox 360 > Consoles

Xbox 360 Remodeled, 250 GB:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,212 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#11 in Video Games > Xbox 360 > Consoles


Clearly, the new Xbox 360 remodel seems to have been largely ineffectual in influencing 360 sales.
 
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Interesting question. I'd venture to say, it would've helped significantly. Normally, the market leader enjoys a large degree of anticipation for the follow-up to a still-popular product. The Wii was a has-been by the time the Wii U arrived. Of course, that was only one of several problems the Wii U faced, and not even the largest.
I've been thinking, for quite some years, that it makes more sense for Nintendo to arrive "mid gen" with its home console platform. This way they see what works and what doesn't, what trends are strong, get closer in terms of specs withouth raising the costs up and most importantly have some solid launch titles.

I think this suits them better because, as we have seen, no matter what they chose to operate in a bubble. What was this 1 year head start used for?
 

John Harker

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Feb 26, 2005
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It's either Scribblenauts, Sonic, Zombi U or Just Dance 4.

There are 8 titles with higher sales than standalone Nintendo Land, iirc.
I wasn't planning on commenting further, but I had to chuckle at your post (sorry), so I will... it's none of those!

(though they are all mostly close if one were nitpicky).

Not counting NL, it's safe to assume most people who wanted that got it in the bundle.
 
Nov 13, 2011
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I wasn't planning on commenting further, but I had to chuckle at your post (sorry), so I will... it's none of those!

(though they are all mostly close if one were nitpicky).

Not counting NL, it's safe to assume most people who wanted that got it in the bundle.
Hmm, that would leave Lego City Stories?

I omitted it because I thought releasing later it wouldn't have caught up to the others.

But based on creamsugar's posts those should be the best selling games.

EDIT: Was Epic Mickey 2 reported as over 100K?
 
Jan 24, 2010
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Hmm, that would leave Lego City Stories?

I omitted it because I thought releasing later it wouldn't have caught up to the others.

But based on creamsugar's posts those should be the best selling games.

EDIT: Was Epic Mickey 2 reported as over 100K?
Undercover.

It sold pretty well so it's plausible. I don't think Epic Mickey is the second best selling game on the Wii U in the US.
 
Jun 7, 2004
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So if the world's shittiest port is the second best selling Wii U game in NA I'm not sure we can fault port quality for sales issues.
something i noticed at e3 was there were only kiddie/family friendly/for everyone games on the showfloor. it's a slight generalization- deus ex was up at the square enix booth and i think i saw a wii u up somewhere else, but most of the games on the system were the family friendly variety.

the other thing i noticed was that outside of only a few titles, these types of games were only on wii u. it's like the ps4/xbox one were the super serial machines while the wii u was the one for ages 5 and up (well, microsoft focused a lot on what kinect 2.0 was capable of, but they devoted a lot of space to their racing and killing simulators).

i was probably off on epic mickey. it did better than the ps360 games in 2012, but i don't know its current total. lego did over 100k in its first month, and it's not unreasonable that it would have continued to perform relatively well even after advertisements died off.

anyway the point i was trying to get at is that the environment for a console is fostered early on, and unless there's a huge shift in philosophy (like the 360 had with kinect), it's really difficult to change that. nintendo brought out party game and platformer, and what sells? party games (sonic racing, just dance) and platformers (lego, mickey, scribblenauts). oh, and what's been announced for the machine? more platformers, more party games.

not saying it's a bad thing. just saying it's a thing. and it makes more sense when you see something like a hat in time getting looks from wii u owners because that's the fanbase that's currently being cultivated. i don't see this changing any time during the system's lifetime either, not when the next year or so looks to be more of that from nintendo themselves. only bayonetta 2 stands out, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

pretty sure Anihawk was just baiting me... but I can't be quoted as implying that, so no, the answer is no
i actually forgot all about lego, and i thought of mickey as the only other wii u game to do relatively well.
 
Apr 13, 2011
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something i noticed at e3 was there were only kiddie/family friendly/for everyone games on the showfloor. it's a slight generalization- deus ex was up at the square enix booth and i think i saw a wii u up somewhere else, but most of the games on the system were the family friendly variety.

the other thing i noticed was that outside of only a few titles, these types of games were only on wii u. it's like the ps4/xbox one were the super serial machines while the wii u was the one for ages 5 and up (well, microsoft focused a lot on what kinect 2.0 was capable of, but they devoted a lot of space to their racing and killing simulators).

i was probably off on epic mickey. it did better than the ps360 games in 2012, but i don't know its current total. lego did over 100k in its first month, and it's not unreasonable that it would have continued to perform relatively well even after advertisements died off.

anyway the point i was trying to get at is that the environment for a console is fostered early on, and unless there's a huge shift in philosophy (like the 360 had with kinect), it's really difficult to change that. nintendo brought out party game and platformer, and what sells? party games (sonic racing, just dance) and platformers (lego, mickey, scribblenauts). oh, and what's been announced for the machine? more platformers, more party games.

not saying it's a bad thing. just saying it's a thing. and it makes more sense when you see something like a hat in time getting looks from wii u owners because that's the fanbase that's currently being cultivated. i don't see this changing any time during the system's lifetime either, not when the next year or so looks to be more of that from nintendo themselves. only bayonetta 2 stands out, but there are always exceptions to the rule.



i actually forgot all about lego, and i thought of mickey as the only other wii u game to do relatively well.
I personally hope Wii U stays focused on this family friendly track; in the long run, focusing on the other side is what changed Jak and Sly series into Uncharted and Infamous; I hope just at no point they require a change in their game and art design to cultivate their newly formed core demographic.
 
Oct 10, 2010
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Software sales lowest since May 2000.
For a comparison let's look back at May 2000;
Refraining from posting figures except for the No.1 title (hopefully that is allowed)
Code:
May-2000:
	 
1	N64	Perfect Dark	                          $   60 	Nintendo 161,000 NEW	   
2	N64	Pokemon Stadium	                          $   60 	Nintendo	   
3	PSX	WWF SmackDown!	                          $   40 	THQ	   
4	N64	Excitebike 64	                          $   51 	Nintendo	   
5	PSX	Tony Hawk's Pro Skater	                 $   38 	Activision	   
6	PSX	Syphon Filter 2	                          $   40 	Sony	   
7	PSX	Star Wars Episode I: Jedi Power Battles	  $   41 	LucasArts	   
8	N64	Tony Hawk's Pro Skater	                  $   49 	Activision	   
9	PSX	Spec Ops	                          $   10 	Take-Two	   
10	PSX	Vagrant Story	                          $   42 	Square EA	   
11	PSX	Syphon Filter	                          $   20 	Sony	   
12	PSX	Triple Play Baseball 2001	           $   40 	EA	   
13	PSX	Gran Turismo 2	                          $   40 	Sony	   
14	PSX	MLB 2001	                          $   40 	Sony	   
15	PSX	Wild ARMs 2	                          $   42 	Sony	   
16	PSX	Spyro The Dragon	                  $   20 	Sony	   
17	PSX	Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped	         $   20 	Sony	   
18	DC	Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six	          $   49 	Majesco	   
19	PSX	Army Men 3D	                          $   20 	3DO	   
20	N64	Mario Party 2	                          $   50 	Nintendo	   
21	PSX	Namco Museum Vol. 3	                  $   20 	Namco	   
22	PSX	Namco Museum Vol. 1	                  $   18 	Namco	   
23	PSX	Metal Gear Solid	                   $   19 	Konami	   
24	PSX	Gran Turismo Racing	                   $   20 	Sony	   
25	PSX	Need For Speed: High Stakes	           $   20 	EA	   
26	PSX	NBA Live 2000	                          $   38 	EA	   
27	DC	Resident Evil Code: Veronica	           $   49 	Capcom	   
28	PSX	Tetris Plus	                          $   19 	Jaleco	   
29	PSX	Army Men: World War	                  $   40 	3DO	   
30	N64	Super Smash Bros.	                  $   50 	Nintendo
(Perfect Dark was in its first week BTW)
 
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something i noticed at e3 was there were only kiddie/family friendly/for everyone games on the showfloor. it's a slight generalization- deus ex was up at the square enix booth and i think i saw a wii u up somewhere else, but most of the games on the system were the family friendly variety.

the other thing i noticed was that outside of only a few titles, these types of games were only on wii u. it's like the ps4/xbox one were the super serial machines while the wii u was the one for ages 5 and up (well, microsoft focused a lot on what kinect 2.0 was capable of, but they devoted a lot of space to their racing and killing simulators).

i was probably off on epic mickey. it did better than the ps360 games in 2012, but i don't know its current total. lego did over 100k in its first month, and it's not unreasonable that it would have continued to perform relatively well even after advertisements died off.

anyway the point i was trying to get at is that the environment for a console is fostered early on, and unless there's a huge shift in philosophy (like the 360 had with kinect), it's really difficult to change that. nintendo brought out party game and platformer, and what sells? party games (sonic racing, just dance) and platformers (lego, mickey, scribblenauts). oh, and what's been announced for the machine? more platformers, more party games.

not saying it's a bad thing. just saying it's a thing. and it makes more sense when you see something like a hat in time getting looks from wii u owners because that's the fanbase that's currently being cultivated. i don't see this changing any time during the system's lifetime either, not when the next year or so looks to be more of that from nintendo themselves. only bayonetta 2 stands out, but there are always exceptions to the rule.



i actually forgot all about lego, and i thought of mickey as the only other wii u game to do relatively well.
One thing people forget is that kids know how to get parents to spend money, e.g. skylanders and pokemon.
 
Jul 12, 2012
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So Lego City Undercover, or maybe not rule out COD or AC3 pickups.
I'm guessing Lego City with ZombiU a close second, or vice versa, unless he ruled out ZombiU and I missed it.

Did creamsugar ever say exactly which games were over 100k (back in February or whatever)? Was it only ZombiU, Just Dance, Scribblenauts, and Sonic Racing? BO2 and AC3 (plus maybe Batman) have got to be somewhat close, no?
 
Feb 7, 2007
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For a comparison let's look back at May 2000;
Refraining from posting figures except for the No.1 title (hopefully that is allowed)
Code:
May-2000:
	 
1	N64	Perfect Dark	                          $   60 	Nintendo 161,000 NEW	   
2	N64	Pokemon Stadium	                          $   60 	Nintendo	   
3	PSX	WWF SmackDown!	                          $   40 	THQ	   
4	N64	Excitebike 64	                          $   51 	Nintendo	   
5	PSX	Tony Hawk's Pro Skater	                 $   38 	Activision	   
6	PSX	Syphon Filter 2	                          $   40 	Sony	   
7	PSX	Star Wars Episode I: Jedi Power Battles	  $   41 	LucasArts	   
8	N64	Tony Hawk's Pro Skater	                  $   49 	Activision	   
9	PSX	Spec Ops	                          $   10 	Take-Two	   
10	PSX	Vagrant Story	                          $   42 	Square EA	   
11	PSX	Syphon Filter	                          $   20 	Sony	   
12	PSX	Triple Play Baseball 2001	           $   40 	EA	   
13	PSX	Gran Turismo 2	                          $   40 	Sony	   
14	PSX	MLB 2001	                          $   40 	Sony	   
15	PSX	Wild ARMs 2	                          $   42 	Sony	   
16	PSX	Spyro The Dragon	                  $   20 	Sony	   
17	PSX	Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped	         $   20 	Sony	   
18	DC	Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six	          $   49 	Majesco	   
19	PSX	Army Men 3D	                          $   20 	3DO	   
20	N64	Mario Party 2	                          $   50 	Nintendo	   
21	PSX	Namco Museum Vol. 3	                  $   20 	Namco	   
22	PSX	Namco Museum Vol. 1	                  $   18 	Namco	   
23	PSX	Metal Gear Solid	                   $   19 	Konami	   
24	PSX	Gran Turismo Racing	                   $   20 	Sony	   
25	PSX	Need For Speed: High Stakes	           $   20 	EA	   
26	PSX	NBA Live 2000	                          $   38 	EA	   
27	DC	Resident Evil Code: Veronica	           $   49 	Capcom	   
28	PSX	Tetris Plus	                          $   19 	Jaleco	   
29	PSX	Army Men: World War	                  $   40 	3DO	   
30	N64	Super Smash Bros.	                  $   50 	Nintendo
(Perfect Dark was in its first week BTW)
Thanks for posting, super interesting. I vaguely remember getting Vagrant Story for $40 back in the day too, loved those PSX game prices.
 
Jan 2, 2007
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How many years has it been since a price drop?

Feels like 3+ years.
I still can't believe they temporarily dropped the price last fall (and only on the premium), only to boost it back up in January. The gaming industry is woefully out of touch with modern consumer expectations on pricing curves.

You can't sell 8 year old hardware for $300-$400 dollars, it's insane.
 

jvm

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I still can't believe they temporarily dropped the price last fall (and only on the premium), only to boost it back up in January. The gaming industry is woefully out of touch with modern consumer expectations on pricing curves.

You can't sell 8 year old hardware for $300-$400 dollars, it's insane.
They dropped the price on everything but the bottom model, right? Not sure if that is what you mean by Premium -- I guess I didn't think of it that way.

They've also run the buy-a-PC-get-an-Xbox promotions during the summer before. I don't know that that's happening anymore either. And I was under the impression that the $150 service-subsidized model was gone now too, but I should check on that.
 
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I'm guessing Lego City with ZombiU a close second, or vice versa, unless he ruled out ZombiU and I missed it.

Did creamsugar ever say exactly which games were over 100k (back in February or whatever)? Was it only ZombiU, Just Dance, Scribblenauts, and Sonic Racing? BO2 and AC3 (plus maybe Batman) have got to be somewhat close, no?


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[B]Wii U Monthly Sales Rankings + LTD >100K Reporting
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December 2012						January 2013
[B]1. New Super Mario Bros. U (LTD sales are >100k)[/B]	[B]1. New Super Mario Bros. U (LTD sales are >100k)[/B]
2. Just Dance 4						[B]2. Scribblenauts Unlimited (LTD sales are >100k)[/B]
3. Scribblenauts Unlimited				[B]3. Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed (LTD sales are >100k)[/B]
4. Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed			[B]4. ZombiU (LTD sales are >100k)
5. ZombiU (LTD sales are >100K)[/B]				5. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
6. Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two		6. Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
7. Call of Duty: Black Ops II				7. Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
8. Skylanders Giants Wii U				[B]8. Just Dance 4 (LTD sales are >100k)[/B]
9. Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition			9. Assassin's Creed III
10. Nintendo Land (un-bundled)				10. Skylanders Giants Wii U
11. Assassin's Creed 3					11. Madden NFL 2013
12. SiNG PARTY						12. ESPN Sports Connection
13. Madden NFL 2013					13. Wipeout 3
14. ESPN Sports Connection				[B]14. Nintendo Land (LTD sales are >100k)[/B]
15. Wipeout 3						15. Rabbids Land
Bolded is >100K.