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[Gospel]

Black Friday is a thing.

no its not no it doesnt count

 

[Ashes]

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood -- 1.14MM
Donkey Kong Country Returns -- 430.5K
Gran Turismo 5 -- 400K

Numbers are real, unable to comment further. And this is not a policy shift re: leaks, so don't get any ideas.

I was thinking 400k about a few months ago. Damn this is actually good news, what with the botched launch and all.

ps. Donkey kong, what a difference a day makes....
pps. what were the x360 ac:b figures again, we can figure out the the sku's now.. about 800k for x360, wasn't it?

my *assumptions* now
1. cod x360
2. ps3 x360
3. ac x360
4. just dance 2
5. fable 3
6. donkey kong
7. gt5
8. ac ps3
9.? (who am I kidding? it's probably wii fit plus)
10.Halo reach
11. just dance Dance central

edit: 11 is dance central as someone pointed out.

 

[jeremy1456]

I think the reason people are disappointed with GT5's numbers is because it was one of the first PS3 games to be announced and hyped.

How many freaking years was it in development? Sony will probably have to sell 10+ million copies to make up for it.

 

[FrankT]

Fable 3 had basically one extra day last month in comparison and did 580k, but it will be interesting to see if it can chart like Fable 3 has second month.

 

[speculawyer]

Not a single new IP in the top 10.

And many of those are on their 5th plus iteration.

Kinda sad . . . but the risks are so high for new IP.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Next month's NPD will be the most interesting, just to see how well GT5 holds up.

 

[jedimike]

Interesting, if the PS3 sells any less than 1.2m in December (it did 1.36m last year) then it will have sold less in 2010 than it did in 2009 in the US. I'm amazed by that given that 2009 only had 3 months of slim / price cut sales vs all of 2010 at the reduced price + Move in September.

Very interesting point. It will only take a 12% drop from Dec 09 numbers to put them under that threshold. I think it is more likely Sony will see another 20%-25% drop. If they suffer another 25% drop, they'll barely clear 1M in December.

 

[Kenka]

I was thinking 400k about a few months ago. Damn this is actually good news, what with the botched launch and all.

ps. Donkey kong, what a difference a day makes....
pps. what were the x360 ac:b figures again, we can figure out the the sku's now.. about 800k for x360, wasn't it?

my *assumptions* now
1. cod x360
2. ps3 x360
3. ac x360
4. just dance
5. fable 3
6. donkey kong
7. gt5
8. ac ps3
9.? (who am I kidding? it's probably wii fit plus)
10.Halo reach
11. just dance

Nope, Dance Central would be above.

 

[The Elite]

Black Friday is the highest three days of sales in the entire year.

That's fine. All the games on the list have Black Friday numbers included. The issue is that GT5 only had three days before that to sell product while the rest had a week to a month head start.

It's not like GT5 was the only game on the shelves that day.

 

[user_nat]

For comparison to GT5, the only other PS3 game that I could think of with a similar amount of days is KZ2. Which sold 323k in 3 (maybe 4) days. Sold 296k in the next month. It also had plenty of "It was only 3 days!!!" responses.

Somewhat different though because Feb -> Mar is different to Nov -> Dec.

 

[fernoca]

As noted, those three days included the biggest sales day of the year.

Well, there's always stuff...
Like people saying "OMG Fable >> GT5?", but seeing the numbers now:

October's Fable III 4 days > November's GT5 3 days (which included Black Friday)

 

[CozMick]

Not even close. 21st of November was the day the GT5 ads were aired on TV when the Indianapolis Colts took on the New England Patriots on CBS.

from the PSblog.

It all starts to trickle out one at a time.

3 days of advertising, 3 days of sales, the biggest botch launch ever, smallest GT fanbase (US, Europe, Japan)..........................

And it still does 400k :lol

 

[TheKaeptain]

2 days, in effect. Thanksgiving Day had most stores closed...Sony's fault for releasing the damn game so close to Black Friday. And they lost a CE sale since my Best Buy refused to sell it until Black Friday.

Yeah I realized that after I posted.

 

[Kafel]

impressive ACB 360 sales, I don't know about the US but here (France) the marketing for this game is PS3 exclusive

so Fable III > 430K
how is it compared to last month ?

 

[FrankT]

That's fine. All the games on the list have Black Friday numbers included. The issue is that GT5 only had three days before that to sell product while the rest had a week to a month head start.

It's not like GT5 was the only game on the shelves that day.

4 technically, Weds-Sat. Reporting period ends on the Saturday iirc.

 

[Castle Doctrine]

November was a horrible month for Sony, PS3 getting slaughetered by the competition, PSP nowhere to be seen, GT5 charting pretty low....dare I say the PS3 is in "trouble" in the US? Before you jump down my throat, I'm a PS3 only owner and owned a PSP until 2 weeks ago when I gave it to my nephew.

No not in trouble, they'll just keep chugging along as they have been the entire gen. People declared the PS3 dead countless times. Espeically when you look at the solid games lineup next year. Year of the PS3 2011? No, but not dead, and not ever beating the 360. Chugging along.

 

[DMeisterJ]

I think the reason people are disappointed with GT5's numbers is because it was one of the first PS3 games to be announced and hyped.

How many freaking years was it in development? Sony will probably have to sell 10+ million copies to make up for it.

No way a game having to sell 10 million copies to be profitable will be greenlit, also GT5: P subsidized GT5's production, more than likely.

 

[RBH]

Not even close. 21st of November was the day the GT5 ads were aired on TV when the Indianapolis Colts took on the New England Patriots on CBS.

from the PSblog.

Simple mistake, seemed sooner than Nov 21st to me.

Point still stands though about the amount of PS3 advertising on TV in the US compared to the competition.

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

So I take it that NFS Hot Pursuit didn't make it on the top 10 individually?

I think EA should not have released it during the same time period as GT5. It might've sold more if it was the only racing game of the month.

 

[bigtroyjon]

Not that it really matters but nov 24-27 is 4 days, not 3.

 

[Warm Machine]

Not a single new IP in the top 10.

And many of those are on their 5th plus iteration.

Kinda sad . . . but the risks are so high for new IP.

At one point in this gen Assassins Creed was a new IP as was Fable (sorry, it was xbox 1). We are just nearing the end of the console cycle when people are capitalizing on their earlier investments on IP. COD was essentially a new IP with COD 2 in 2005 as far as consoles were concerned. Next Console cycle you will see new ideas all over again.

 

[LCfiner]

considering some of the GAF hype for GT5, the sales might seem somewhat lacklustre. you’d think it would be a million unit seller based on pre-orders alone listening to some of the talk in here pre-launch.

still, it’s good numbers and, unsurprisingly, more than the 175K for Forza 3 last year in October.


and, of course, holy shit at 360 numbers. Very successful relaunch with Kinect. congrats to MS.

 

[Amir0x]

2 days, in effect. Thanksgiving Day had most stores closed...Sony's fault for releasing the damn game so close to Black Friday. And they lost a CE sale since my Best Buy refused to sell it until Black Friday.

Really, I think it's fair to say GT5 underperformed, both based on franchise history and expectations, but that it is NOT fair to say that it is a 'bomba.'

It is a symptom of its bungled launch, a belated launched advertising campaign which had to compensate for the last-minute release date announcement and a decline PlayStation brand. It will take next month's numbers to really have suitable context for these numbers.

For now, the only objective assessment is "Sony bungled the launch of GT5."

 

[Kenka]

impressive ACB 360 sales, I don't know about the US but here (France) the marketing for this game is PS3 exclusive

so Fable III > 340K
how is it compared to last month ?

Less than a 40% drop. Which is good.

 

[lordmrw]

Not a single new IP in the top 10.

And many of those are on their 5th plus iteration.

Kinda sad . . . but the risks are so high for new IP.

yeah in some ways this is the point in a generation that I start to hate. I know the yearly sequels are going to continue and there's nothing wrong with that, but the predictability of what will be released every year at this point just kills it for me. Conversely, I'm sure this is the point most publishers are licking their lips in anticipation of, as they now know what franchises will continue to produce milk for them every year.

 

[Pureauthor]

It all starts to trickle out one at a time.

3 days of advertising, 3 days of sales, the biggest botch launch ever, smallest GT fanbase (US, Europe, Japan)..........................

And it still does 400k :lol

I haven't done this in a while, but...

Saying 'Product A sold well if you take Reasons X, Y, and Z into account' is just a nice way of saying 'Product A sold badly, and Reasons X, Y and Z is why'.

 

[gogogow]

In GT5's defense, it was released 3 days later and sold only 30.5k less than DKCR and GT5 had a late marketing push. The ads were aired on 21st of Nov. But the PS3 sales.........

 

[Kusagari]

Not a single new IP in the top 10.

And many of those are on their 5th plus iteration.

Kinda sad . . . but the risks are so high for new IP.

Dance Central was at #11 though.

 

[Ashes]

Having said what I said of the gt5 400K, I didn't think that figure with the biggest sales day of the year pitch.

 

[thcsquad]

Where there any GT5 deals on Black Friday? I don't remember seeing any, and I wonder if that hurt its chances of anybody but the GT5 fanatics buying it on Black Friday.

 

[Ridley327]

Not that it really matters but nov 24-27 is 4 days, not 3.

One of those days was Thanksgiving, though; in practice, it really is just 3 days.

 

[GavinGT]

You guys keep bringing up the fact that it only had 3 days, but given those numbers, things aren't looking too fantastic for December either.

 

[Instro]

Nice numbers for DKC, should sell well through the holidays too. Good for Retro.

 

[bigtroyjon]

impressive ACB 360 sales, I don't know about the US but here (France) the marketing for this game is PS3 exclusive

so Fable III > 340K
how is it compared to last month ?

Fable 3 is >430K (probably just a typo on your part)

 

[szaromir]

impressive ACB 360 sales, I don't know about the US but here (France) the marketing for this game is PS3 exclusive

so Fable III > 340K
how is it compared to last month ?

Fable 3 > 430k (and >1M ltd)

Halo Reach appears to be tracking below Halo 3 (#9 and 387K in November 2007), maybe not by far though. Ah well, the game made money for itself, I hope it'll teach 343 to keep the campaign more varied.

 

[The Elite]

Where there any GT5 deals on Black Friday? I don't remember seeing any, and I wonder if that hurt its chances of anybody but the GT5 fanatics buying it on Black Friday.

There wouldn't be considering it came out earlier the same week.

 

[fernoca]

impressive ACB 360 sales, I don't know about the US but here (France) the marketing for this game is PS3 exclusive

so Fable III > 340K
how is it compared to last month ?

Fable III is 430k+ since it is above DK Country.

Did 580k in 4 days in October.

 

[speculawyer]

Dance Central was at #11 though.

Nice. It was kinda sad to see no Kinect titles at all considering how Kinect has been called such a success . . . how could it be if it doesn't sell any games?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Of course, but up until the release of the slim the PS3's sales in the US in 2009 were average at best (as of August, pre slim, the PS3's sales were 1.45m, over half a million less than it did in 2010). I would never have imagined that it could possibly sell less in 2010 given how much better the price is now.

The PS3 is not in a bubble by it's self , Xbox 360 had price drop , a slim plus Kinect with a 500 million marketing push and Wii also had price drop along with other stuff.
Sony would done much better with even a 50 price drop.

 

[bigtroyjon]

One of those days was Thanksgiving, though; in practice, it really is just 3 days.

Well, Walmart was open all day on thanksgiving. As were all the online retailers. The grasping at straws is starting to get just a bit too much.

 

[FrankT]

Fable 3 over a million in the US then. Hmm, 2 is just better.

The PS3 is not in a bubble by it's self , Xbox 360 had price drop , a slim plus Kinect with a 500 million marketing push and Wii also had price drop along with other stuff.
Sony would done much better with even a 50 price drop.

360 hasn't had a real price cut in over 2 years. Though it did have the old stock reduced that lasted a couple of months.

You guys keep bringing up the fact that it only had 3 days, but given those numbers, things aren't looking too fantastic for December either.

Should be telling as far as the legs go.

 

[jedimike]

400,000 in three days. Bomba.

Black Friday makes up for over an entire month of sales outside Nov and Dec... Definitely Bomba. It may get an equal amount in December, but I doubt it.

 

[Fantastical]

I'd be shocked if Goldeneye wasn't performing "well". Publishers don't advertise for a bomba after a month of release.



Good.


Expected higher, but will have legs.


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[WaltJay]

08. Gran Turismo 5 (PS3) SONY** - 400K

Patrick Klepek redeemed. :lol

 

[szaromir]

The PS3 is not in a bubble by it's self , Xbox 360 had price drop , a slim plus Kinect with a 500 million marketing push and Wii also had price drop along with other stuff.
Sony would done much better with even a 50 price drop.

No.

 

[jeremy1456]

No way a game having to sell 10 million copies to be profitable will be greenlit, also GT5: P subsidized GT5's production, more than likely.

Well I'm sure at the time they didn't expect it to be delayed... 3 years was it?

 

[Ashes]

Really, I think it's fair to say GT5 underperformed, both based on franchise history and expectations, but that it is NOT fair to say that it is a 'bomba.'

It is a symptom of its bungled launch, a belated launched advertising campaign which had to compensate for the last-minute release date announcement and a decline PlayStation brand. It will take next month's numbers to really have suitable context for these numbers.

For now, the only objective assessment is "Sony bungled the launch of GT5."

Though I agree, it has to be said that from Sony's point of view: whatever the excuse may be- selling less than gt4 out the gate is disappointing.

Sony are going to sell near a million ps3 in december; I think a sizable chunk will be gt bundles, so it'd be something if gt5 charts in the top ten again. It might even sell more in the second month if the large advertising campaign has anything to do with it.

 

[CozMick]

Well I'm sure at the time they didn't expect it to be delayed... 3 years was it?

22 days

Spoiler

sorry, i had to

 

[jeremy1456]

The PS3 is not in a bubble by it's self , Xbox 360 had price drop , a slim plus Kinect with a 500 million marketing push and Wii also had price drop along with other stuff.
Sony would done much better with even a 50 price drop.

Where you're getting this price drop thing from I have no idea. The Xbox 360 is still the same price.

Sony had both a price drop and a remodel. MS had a remodel and kinect.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

400k for GT 5 guess that okay
620k for GT 4 in first month .

Also, GT5P did 224k in it's first month with about half the userbase.