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NPD Sales Results for October 2014 [Up3: All of Nintendo's 3DS million sellers]

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the meltdown will be bigger if sony doesn't take the month.
I doubt that. Everyone has been following this closely, and with MS' PR earlier this month, pretty much everyone expects the X1 to win.

Besides, the implications of Sony winning are much grander. If MS wins, it's obviously a surge from people seeing ridiculous pricing and thrown in games, with most likely PS4 hot on the tails. If PS4 wins... then it means despite MS throwing the console away to people with a load of games, the PS4 STILL managed to come out on top and it's going to be next to impossible for MS to reclaim any sort of comeback.
 

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no, definitely. the market leader that's done everything right taken down just because microsoft is buying their success (i don't actually believe that, but just trying to put the perspective out there)? yeah, people are going to actually be angry.

the other way around will be gloating, as with the march 2014 npd results. i've already seen it. it's boring.
 

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I doubt that. Everyone has been following this closely, and with MS' PR earlier this month, pretty much everyone expects the X1 to win.

Besides, the implications of Sony winning are much grander. If MS wins, it's obviously a surge from people seeing ridiculous pricing and thrown in games, with most likely PS4 hot on the tails. If PS4 wins... then it means despite MS throwing the console away to people with a load of games, the PS4 STILL managed to come out on top and it's going to be next to impossible for MS to reclaim any sort of comeback.
Not really, most (sane)ppl are prediction an XB1 victory.

Anyway the Amazon charts don't mean much, it's all about Black Friday in November.
we're not talking sane people though. we're talking about the same kind of people who were convinced romney would win because of skewed polls and shit.
 

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the meltdown will be bigger if sony doesn't take the month.
I think you're the only one that believes that. I mean you can grab the xbox one bundle for 299$ in a couple retailers right now. That's hell of a deal.

Edit: ^ make that 5 of you. Rectum just wants the world to burn though...
 
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People wont be angry at a XBO win, but there will be a few salty responses. Especially if its close (within 100k)

But if PS4 wins, the forum is going into meltdown.
 

AstuteClass

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we're not talking sane people though. we're talking about the same people who were convinced romney would win because of skewed polls and shit.
Just as I'm sure there are insane people in the Xbox fanbase who are convinced this is the big turn around for MS and the X1 will win the month by 500k or something, after hanging onto every one of Greenberg's Tweets about "prime time".

Again, the implications of Sony winning are much, much bigger and more damaging.
 
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Just as I'm sure there are insane people in the Xbox fanbase who are convinced this is the big turn around for MS and the X1 will win the month by 500k or something, after hanging onto every one of Greenberg's Tweets about "prime time".

Again, the implications of Sony winning are much, much bigger and more damaging.
These people are going to melt down regardless. Nothing is indicating the win will be even remotely like that.

There is no significant comeback happening. The gap will be less than 150k, with Sony obliterating that wordwide.
 
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no, definitely. the market leader that's done everything right taken down just because microsoft is buying their success (i don't actually believe that, but just trying to put the perspective out there)? yeah, people are going to actually be angry.

the other way around will be gloating, as with the march 2014 npd results. i've already seen it. it's boring.
I agree.

Most of sales age seem to think there will be a difference in MS favor. But that it will be marginal. We'll see soon enough, but the bigger meltdowns will be caused by not only a MS win, but a big one.

Sony eking out a victory both marginal and large are part of the common narrative this generation. PS4 outperforming One is the narrative, is the baseline of expectations so far. One taking November by any more than 100K units is going to cause a bloodbath.

Completely upsetting the common narrative usually leads to freak outs and mass bannings. Lest we forget the prior generation as Wii took an early and very decisive lead over it's competition. Anything that "upends the teatable" looks to batshit crazy.

So, yeah there's a destructive part of me that very much wants to see One outsell PS4 by a few hundred thousands units just to read the screams.
 

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I think you guys are looney with this. Meltdowns happen as a result of shattered expectations. The only people that would meltdown over Sony losing are people that are trying to goad others into a meltdown.

I don't know if there is a poster worth spending time on who is going to get upset about Microsoft buying their way in. That's been their MO for 15 years.
 

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that november npd thread is going to be insane either way. looking forward to it.
I don't agree, and I dislike this perspective. I mean, not that you're the only one to say it. But the licking of the lips in anticipation of insanity (not really pinning this on you, but, well, you are looking forward to insanity so) is really not how we should get things started.
 
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I don't agree, and I dislike this perspective. I mean, not that you're the only one to say it. But the licking of the lips in anticipation of insanity (not really pinning this on you, but, well, you are looking forward to insanity so) is really not how we should get things started.
I called that part of me destructive for a reason Kev.
 

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Good. Now you can go there on BF, set up a camera to take shots every 2mins, and do a timelapse movie for GAF.
They will all be gone over the course of one picture. Lol. BUT it would be interesting how fast that one best buy can burn through 400 ps4s.

I also think if it was possible to have the data that the ps4 will absolutely outsell xb1 over black friday weekend. I feel with the Xbox price drop and bundles they are just front loading November for themselves. It all comes down to if xb1 can maintain stock to finish the month or if Sony can get enough consoles out there, especially the gta bundle and get one into the hands of everyone that would want one friday. Because being black friday I feel peopless are way more prone to impulse buying it if they can get their hands on it since they are use to shit selling out and such. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both xb1 and ps4 did huge numbers this month.
 

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I think you guys are looney with this. Meltdowns happen as a result of shattered expectations. The only people that would meltdown over Sony losing are people that are trying to goad others into a meltdown.

I don't know if there is a poster worth spending time on who is going to get upset about Microsoft buying their way in. That's been their MO for 15 years.
i don't know man. people went two years expecting bayonetta 2 to get a port to other platforms despite denial after denial. the people who are regular followers of news will be aware of what's happening, but the people who are usually in the first 500 posts or so or just jump in with gif responses may be hit hard.

Again, the implications of Sony winning are much, much bigger and more damaging.
the real world implications of ps4 outselling xb1 would be utter disaster for the xbox brand. i don't know if xbox fanbase is as fervent as the nintendo and sony ones though. i speculate that it isn't mostly because it's the newest and has had less time to build a group of people who only grew up playing xbox devices.
 

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I think you guys are looney with this. Meltdowns happen as a result of shattered expectations. The only people that would meltdown over Sony losing are people that are trying to goad others into a meltdown.

I don't know if there is a poster worth spending time on who is going to get upset about Microsoft buying their way in. That's been their MO for 15 years.
Not only this but MS investing money is good for the industry as we see a major party like Nintendo fade in this space. PS4/XB1 really need to sell as many units possible.
 

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I thought there was a general expectation that Microsoft's recent moves would have them taking one or both holiday months?

I'd expect some degree of consternation if they don't. This is the big play. The inability to meet that expectation now would have people needing to face that it may never.
Something something Dylan Thomas poem.
 

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MS will win November.

That really shouldn't be a surprise for anyone. It'll be a "Yeah, of course they won" type moment. You pump that much money into bundles and price cuts, you're bound to move units.

Forum won't melt down. MS will get a victory. Sony will still sell a fuckton though, but they will probably win in the end because they didn't have to take such a massive hit to their profits like MS did.

Now, if Sony won, I honestly think we'll see an NPD reply count that will surpass titanfall NPD thread.
 

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Actual response from 3rd party pubs and retail will likely be:

MS wins Nov - Okay. MCC and the discounts worked. No big change to strategy.

Sony wins Nov - Okay. Status quo. No big change to strategy.

Nin shows signs of life - Well that's good. No big change to strategy.

While a huge deal on message boards, Nov is fairly meaningless in the big picture. No one at any of the first parties is going to jump out a window or anything over this.

The fan base gets so much more emotional about this stuff. Thank goodness it cares so much.
 

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What if Sony came 3rd? (after Ninty and assuming XBO is #1)
What if XBO came 3rd? (after Ninty and assuming PS4 is #1)

Surely meltdown worthy?

Above assumes Ninty wont be #1
 

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the meltdown will be bigger if sony doesn't take the month.


The "effective price" of the XBox One is hovering close to $300 for the entirety of the month, dropping to damn near $200 for Black Friday once you account for gift cards and two games.

No, no. The very least it needs to do is handily take November.
 

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I think we're only entertaining plausibilities.
Nin shows signs of life - Well that's good. No big change to strategy.
Depending on how much the signs of life are though, would it affect the future of certain brands under the various publishing houses; JD, certain platformers like Sonic and Rayman, the Skylanders and Infinity franchises, LEGO titles, possibly licensed games from family friendly properties Frozen, Big Hero 6, comic animated series.

Or are publishers hoping/aiming for sufficient adoption by families of the other platforms to sustain these as viable brands long term and/or alternatively have they accepted a transition to mobile/tablet and perhaps PC for some of these.

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Actually, on a related aside does NPD track who is buying in their reports as well as what's being bought? Is that sort of thing captured in PoS data they get - reminiscent of that Target teen pregnancy thing.
 

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What if Sony came 3rd? (after Ninty and assuming XBO is #1)
What if XBO came 3rd? (after Ninty and assuming PS4 is #1)

Surely meltdown worthy?

Above assumes Ninty wont be #1
Wii U over either one? might as well discuss the fallout if Vita is #1 while we're at it :p
 

CosmicQueso

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I think we're only entertaining plausibilities.
Depending on how much the signs of life are though, would it affect the future of certain brands under the various publishing houses; JD, certain platformers like Sonic and Rayman, the Skylanders and Infinity franchises, LEGO titles, possibly licensed games from family friendly properties Frozen, Big Hero 6, comic animated series.

Or are publishers hoping/aiming for sufficient adoption by families of the other platforms to sustain these as viable brands long term and/or alternatively have they accepted a transition to mobile/tablet and perhaps PC for some of these.

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Actually, on a related aside does NPD track who is buying in their reports as well as what's being bought? Is that sort of thing captured in PoS data they get - reminiscent of that Target teen pregnancy thing.
The brands you mention aren't going anywhere. Nintendo is still a valued first party partner, and it wasn't too long ago they dominated the market and who knows, 5 years from now they might once again be dominant. So Nintendo platforms will be supported in some form. Maybe not CoD, but the brands you mention will be there no matter what happens (all the while, however, experimentation continues on mobile/tablet as well).

On your second question, NPD does have a panel of households who scan their purchases that they can extrapolate from (kinda poorly due to sample size), but the retail data comes across completely anonymously.
 

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I think it's possible for Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby to debut higher than X and Y.
With about 1.5 million in Austarlia and North America, I imagine that had to be at least 1 million in the US.

With Black Friday and the rest of this week, I think it can push it over X and Y.
 

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Maybe more of a 'melt-up'? I don't think anyone would have legitimate salt/negative passion if Nintendo posted a huge turnaround.

It's a shame we don't live in the world of unicorns and fairies in which that could actually happen.
Yeah. Even if Wii U demonstrates minor YOY growth (aka. even if it outperforms November 2013's 223K), it's still going to be eclipsed by PS4 and XBO.

Retail indications for November pretty much guarantee that, unfortunately, unless Wii U miraculously turns around on Black Friday with monstrous sales...which I don't think is going to happen because it seems like Wii U is more low-profile with deals.
 

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Personally, I expect Wii U to achieve similar results as last year (10-20% increase in hardware sales).

Mario Kart 8 was just perfect timing with no major releases from any publisher - Super Smash Bros has much more competition.

It's going to be a good holiday season for Nintendo, but one should not expect double the hardware sales comparatively to last year - landscape is vastly different.

250k for Wii U in November is what I'm banking on.
 

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Personally, I expect Wii U to achieve similar results as last year (10-20% increase in hardware sales).

Mario Kart 8 was just perfect timing with no major releases from any publisher - Super Smash Bros has much more competition.

It's going to be a good holiday season for Nintendo, but one should not expect double the hardware sales comparatively to last year - landscape is vastly different.

250k for Wii U in November is what I'm banking on.
Watch Dogs confirmed not a major release, Ubisoft am cry

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The incredible $329.99 PS4 deal on eBay (fulfilled by Newegg) is getting tracked by NPD.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=940495

As I explained in the other thread:

Newegg directly reports their sales to The NPD Group every month.

Even though this eBay listing isn't part of the traditional Newegg.com website, the sales are still fulfilled by Newegg's internal sales department, so they'll get recorded with the rest of the sales (from Newegg.com) just as if they were sold by the original site. And, as a result, PS4 sales here will get incorporated into the November 2014 NPD report if you buy the PS4 anytime before November 30th.


I just want to take this time to say that The NPD Group directly tracks all major USA-based online retailers. So Amazon.com, Newegg.com, TigerDirect.com, hell, even TV shopping networks like QVC.com and HSN.com go through NPD as well.

They have an extraordinarily wide net for things like this.
Considering how, so far, 2,900+ PS4 consoles have been sold from that eBay listing in one hour, and it's selling-through like crazy, this deal will have a noticeable effect on PS4 sales in the November 2014 NPD Reporting Period.
 

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the meltdown will be bigger if sony doesn't take the month.
That doesn't even make sense. Everybody will chalk up the Xbox victory to aggressive pricing, bundling, and promotion, especially if they want to downplay it. I honestly don't think Sony has anything to worry about even if they don't win November or December NPD. Not when they're cleaning up the competition worldwide.

The only meltdown I can see, realistically, is either a PS4 win, or a lack of certain major titles charting.
 

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The "effective price" of the XBox One is hovering close to $300 for the entirety of the month, dropping to damn near $200 for Black Friday once you account for gift cards and two games.

No, no. The very least it needs to do is handily take November.
Aye. Even a relatively small win (100k or less) would still feel bitter to MS after losing all that money per console sold. Of course there would be consolation in Good PR and some traction in mindshare. I'm sure the gaming media would also spin thatup faster than a Washer cycle.

Fully expecting a XB1 win here in November, but smaller than what MS expect, probably. I think a ton of people are holding on buying a PS4 for a deal... Any decent deal.

And two free games (both GotG worthy) for a $100 value is pretty decent.
I bet that $329 Newegg deal will also move some units..
 

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The incredible $329.99 PS4 deal on eBay (fulfilled by Newegg) is getting tracked by NPD.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=940495

As I explained in the other thread:



Considering, so far, 2,300+ PS4 consoles have been sold from that eBay listing in less than one hour, and it's selling-through like crazy, this deal will have a noticeable effect on PS4 sales in the November 2014 NPD Reporting Period.
Should still be peanuts compared to total sales though right? We're probably looking at 600k+ consoles sold(number pulled from my ass).
 

theprodigy

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That doesn't even make sense. Everybody will chalk up the Xbox victory to aggressive pricing, bundling, and promotion, especially if they want to downplay it. I honestly don't think Sony has anything to worry about even if they don't win November or December NPD. Not when they're cleaning up the competition worldwide.
what happens often doesn't make sense

alternatively, what donny2112 said
 

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Anyone expecting the meltdown to be "bigger" if XBO wins is out of their mind. There will be a few salty posts and one or two meltdowns by some Sony devout but the thread will be nuclear if XBO loses.

I expect a Bishroller through the thread in either case.
 

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To be fair, no matter what happens, MS will need to take a look at its overall strategy in video games if they wish to make another console.

If MS wins November, that's all fine and dandy except they had to have a hell of a November sale to do it, whereas Sony hasn't had to do anything.

If MS loses November, then they are in an even worse position than they thought since they had a hell of a November sale and Sony did nothing, but Sony would have still outsold them.

The issue that Microsoft is going to have to contend with is that they won't be able to beat Sony if they continue to focus on only America and Britain and will only be able to tie Sony at best. MS needs to expand their focus beyond just America and Britain if they do still wish to beat Sony because Sony is not going to make something like the PS3 again.
 

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Anyone expecting the meltdown to be "bigger" if XBO wins is out of their mind. There will be a few salty posts and one or two meltdowns by some Sony devout but the thread will be nuclear if XBO loses.

I expect a Bishroller through the thread in either case.
yeah, if PS4 wins people will say that Xbox One is doomed. If XBO wins is expected.
 

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Should still be peanuts compared to total sales though right? We're probably looking at 600k+ consoles sold(number puked from my ass).
We'll see how far Newegg wants to take the deal.

It could end up with 20,000+ sold if Newegg keeps it up.

PS4 + XBO might be close this month, and the extra 20,000+ consoles sold that this deal could generate could potentially push the PS4 over the edge to the #1 position.
 

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If statham's meltdown in that Ebay PS4 thread is a preview of things to come if MS loses November, then the November NPD will be a graveyard of greyed out names.