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NPD September 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Madden, Fixed 3DS Minimum]

Miles X

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Seasonal and SE bundles are limited, usually just around a million units max afaik. I think estimating 1.5x on both Kinect and Wii is a bit too generous too, 1.25x is probably closer to the truth. Either way though the Wii bundled figure is orders of magnitude larger than 360. Wii Sports bundled alone is going to outpace 360's overall bundled figure.
Do you have a link? But yeah I wouldn't say 360 bundled SW is more than 40m. Still though 360 will sell roughly 20m+ unbundled SW more than Wii this holiday, the overall gap will be within spitting distance by 2013.
 

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Do you have a link? But yeah I wouldn't say 360 bundled SW is more than 40m. Still though 360 will sell roughly 20m+ unbundled SW more than Wii this holiday, the overall gap will be within spitting distance by 2013.
No link, I'm looking at old NPD data (2008). Things could've certainly changed since then though, but both seasonal/limited Xbox and 360 bundles seemed to max out around that.

I wouldn't say more than 30m, even 20m is maybe pushing it. Though I'm speaking purely with console bundles, Kinect/Zapper notwithstanding. I'd also say the Wii figure is well below 60m though, probably even below 50m.
 

Miles X

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No link, I'm looking at old NPD data (2008). Things could've certainly changed since then though, but both seasonal/limited Xbox and 360 bundles seemed to max out around that.

I wouldn't say more than 30m, even 20m is maybe pushing it. Though I'm speaking purely with console bundles, Kinect/Zapper notwithstanding. I'd also say the Wii figure is well below 60m though, probably even below 50m.
If it is indeed 1m, then that's 2m unbundled SW for however many holiday bundles they've done, 6? = 12m. If you're wrong and it's 2m holiday bundles though, that then doubles to 24m. Not including all the COD, Forza, Halo, Gears special edition bundles ect. Which over the years easily amount to 5m~ surely. Also forgetting there are bundles in the year as well, like Halo Reach one

Maybe JVM can inquire to NPD for us? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
 

lunchwithyuzo

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If it is indeed 1m, then that's 2m unbundled SW for however many holiday bundles they've done, 6? = 12m. If you're wrong and it's 2m holiday bundles though, that then doubles to 24m. Not including all the COD, Forza, Halo, Gears special edition bundles ect. Which over the years easily amount to 5m~ surely. Also forgetting there are bundles in the year as well, like Halo Reach one

Maybe JVM can enquire to NPD for us? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
1m max, some go as low as ~400k. It would be a nice figure to confirm overall for sure though, bundled software is still software after all.
 

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Based on a variety of angles, my estimates for hardware:
Xbox 360: 270K
3DS: 240K
PS3: 200K
NDS: 130K
Wii: 80K
PSV: 55K
PSP: 5K

As usual, my estimates posted here are rounded to the nearest multiple of 5K. I do not have access to NPD's official figures.
thank you, just estimations but very useful.
 

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Holy shit at the gap in the 360 and PS3 Borderlands numbers!!

BL2 is one of the best games of the year so thank god the 360 user base gave it the respect, sales and time it deserves.
 

Miles X

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Do you have the other tie ratios?
360 is 9.4 as of end of June, MS financials today though so we'll get an update with that. PS3 I recall is around 8.4 - 8.7?

Actually given 360 sold same amount of HW this past Q in US as the previous Q, but this Q had games like B2 selling 1m and madden/fifa, I'd expect that 9.4 to rise. Especially as last Q it rose 0.2
 

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Worth noting that NPD doesn't count Link's Crossbow Training as "software",
They didn't the first month, but then went back and included it with software the subsequent month, backfilling the first month. Makes sense, as I'm sure a lot of people bought the Zapper in order to get Link's Crossbow Training, and possibly never even used the Zapper.

Skyrim and Forza this holiday for instance.
Skyrim is download version, which opens up a whole other "unknown" area. Safe to say that 360 is greater than Wii software for how NPD tracks software. Took a year headstart and the industry not really trying on Wii, in general, and Nintendo way backing off Wii for the last 2 years to get there. Results are results, though. Wii went from "better than PS2" software levels to where it is now in just a few years. So much wasted potential.

Especially as last Q it rose 0.2
Software is down this year some for non-Wii consoles, but hardware seems to be even further down. That'd be why there'd be a tie ratio increase.
 

Miles X

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They didn't the first month, but then went back and included it with software the subsequent month, backfilling the first month. Makes sense, as I'm sure a lot of people bought the Zapper in order to get Link's Crossbow Training, and possibly never even used the Zapper.



Skyrim is download version, which opens up a whole other "unknown" area. Safe to say that 360 is greater than Wii software for how NPD tracks software. Took a year headstart and the industry not really trying on Wii, in general, and Nintendo way backing off Wii for the last 2 years to get there. Results are results, though. Wii went from "better than PS2" software levels to where it is now in just a few years. So much wasted potential.



Software is down this year some for non-Wii consoles, but hardware seems to be even further down. That'd be why there'd be a tie ratio increase.
I would say it doesn't matter if it's digital or physical, it's still SW bundled at retail, but I guess that's open to opinion and opens up a whole other can of worms such as digital only.
 

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Second column.

http://gamasutra.com/view/news/179509/The_Wii_price_cut_wont_improve_sales_system_dead_in_2013.php

The Wii tie ratio is now 8.0, constant since June (rounded to one place after the decimal).
Microsoft will report 9.5.
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YTD SW:
360: 36m (+7% YOY)
WII: 19.8m (-17% YOY)

I think this is going to have some issues due to the December number being old* NPD and the new tie ratio being new** NPD. It should give a pretty close approximation, though. Glad they got the Wal-Mart transition over with prior to the next gen of consoles starting, at least.

* - Pre-Wal-Mart direct numbers
** - Post-Wal-Mart direct numbers

but I guess that's open to opinion and opens up a whole other can of worms such as digital only.
Yeah, that was what I was getting at. Wii doesn't have GoD like 360 does. And if we try to add that, then there's XLBA, WiiWare, VC, and XBLIG (?) to worry about. (And F2P has started on XBLA. How would that even be counted? :lol)

In June 2012 it was 8.5, up from 8.3 in March.
Great. Thanks!

Edit:
Gamasutra said:
For context, both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are individually several million units of software ahead of the Wii at this point in the year, a reversal from previous years.
Using that June-2012 tie ratio, that would put Wii ~2.5m software units ahead of PS3 three months ago. Now three months have passed, and PS3 is "several million units of software ahead of Wii." I don't think that's very likely in a "normal" year, so I'm going to chalk that up to the Wal-Mart shift, as well. Just wanted to point out the "Wal-Mart difference."
 

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Holy shit at the gap in the 360 and PS3 Borderlands numbers!!

BL2 is one of the best games of the year so thank god the 360 user base gave it the respect, sales and time it deserves.
I think that many of the buyers are multiplatform owners, that probably explains some of the difference. Also that the Xbox 360 install base is much bigger of course. Still a pretty big difference in the Borderland 2 numbers though.
 

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Nintendo sales charts.
All charts for 2012 are here.
All (known) charts for 2011 are here.

Source is Nintendo.

Note: NSMB2 is not on the 3DS TTM chart and is now around 534K (IIRC). So that makes every game on the 3DS TTM chart > 534K.

Note: Mpl90 is right. 3DS TTM chart is not being updated? What could be the reason?

Wii September 2012
  1. Kirby's Dream Collection Special Edition
  2. Just Dance 3
  3. Madden NFL 13
  4. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
  5. Donkey Kong Country Returns
  6. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
  7. Mario Party 9
  8. Super Mario Galaxy
  9. Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
  10. Wii Sports

Wii TTM September 2012
  1. Just Dance 3
  2. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
  3. Zumba Fitness 2
  4. Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
  5. Super Mario Galaxy
  6. Wii Sports
  7. Mario Kart Wii
  8. Mario Party 9
  9. Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
  10. New Super Mario Bros. Wii

3DS September 2012
  1. New Super Mario Bros. 2
  2. Mario Kart 7
  3. Kingdom Hearts 3D [Dream Drop Distance]
  4. Super Mario 3D Land
  5. Angry Birds Trilogy
  6. Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
  7. Kid Icarus: Uprising
  8. Steel Diver
  9. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
  10. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D


3DS TTM September 2012
  1. Mario Kart 7
  2. Super Mario 3D Land
  3. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
  4. Pokémon Rumble Blast
  5. Star Fox 64 3D
  6. Kid Icarus: Uprising
  7. Sonic Generations
  8. Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
  9. Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
  10. LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars

NDS September 2012
  1. New Super Mario Bros.
  2. LEGO Battles: Ninjago
  3. Mario Kart DS
  4. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
  5. Pokémon Conquest
  6. Pokémon White Version
  7. Pokémon Black Version
  8. Super Mario 64 DS
  9. Barbie Jet, Set & Style
  10. Plants vs Zombies

NDS TTM September 2012
  1. New Super Mario Bros.
  2. Mario Kart DS
  3. LEGO Battles: Ninjago
  4. Plants vs Zombies
  5. Monster High Ghoul Spirit
  6. Kirby Mass Attack
  7. Super Mario 64 DS
  8. Pokémon White Version
  9. Pokémon Black Version
  10. Cars 2: The Video Game
 
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Interesting to note: NSMB2 is still not on the Top 10 3DS yearly games list despite having sold ~535k in two months.

Either I'm mistaken or all of the Top 10 games there have sold >535k each by now, then. Star Fox 3D and Kid Icarus doing better than expected? Expect SF643D to drop next month when September 2011 falls from the list.
 

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Interesting to note: NSMB2 is still not on the Top 10 3DS yearly games list despite having sold ~535k in two months.

Either I'm mistaken or all of the Top 10 games there have sold >535k each by now, then. Star Fox 3D and Kid Icarus doing better than expected? Expect SF643D to drop next month when September 2011 falls from the list.
No, at this point it's just that the 3DS TTM Chart is not updated.
 

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No, at this point it's just that the 3DS TTM Chart is not updated.
Yes, there is no way Kid Icarus: Uprising, Sonic Generations, Skylanders Spyro's Adventure, Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games or LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars have sold that much. By the way, extremely pathetic that Resident Evil: Revelations is nowhere to be seen, it probably just needed 200k units to make into the list.
 

jvm

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Yeah, 3DS charts are all screwed up and give conflicting information. They say it's current through July 2012, but the chart changed for August? I don't get it.

This is what the HTML source says:
Best-selling titles for the Nintendo 3DS according to NPD Group Inc. "Recent" based upon unit sales in July 2012. Past year data based on period from August 2011 to July 2012.Best-selling titles for the Nintendo 3DS according to NPD Group Inc. "Recent" based upon unit sales in September 2012. Past year data based on period from October 2011 to September 2012.
The missing space between "July 2012." and "Best-selling" makes it look like someone made a bad paste into the CMS.
 

Bruno MB

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jvm said:
3DS September 2012
  1. New Super Mario Bros. 2
  2. Mario Kart 7
  3. Kingdom Hearts 3D [Dream Drop Distance]
  4. Super Mario 3D Land
  5. Angry Birds Trilogy
  6. Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
  7. Kid Icarus: Uprising
  8. Steel Diver
  9. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
  10. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
I guess that this chart is correct.

I'm surprised to see Steel Diver there xD
 

donny2112

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Donkey Kong Country Returns

Another 5 million seller for Nintendo, crazy.
Not likely. It wasn't on the list of 5m sellers when JD3 crossed it a few months ago, and it hasn't been around long enough to crawl there after it's initial launch numbers.
 

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Most people will assume you are talking US only considering this is an NPD thread.
US sales are a fraction of total sales. NPD numbers also serve to make a more comprehensive analysis that takes them and other numbers into consideration because, frankly, US sales don't exist in a bubble and no smart analyst or video game company will pretend so.
 

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US sales are a fraction of total sales. NPD numbers also serve to make a more comprehensive analysis that takes them and other numbers into consideration because, frankly, US sales don't exist in a bubble and no smart analyst or video game company will pretend so.
That's great and all but doesn't change that this is an NPD thread so unless you clarify, everyone will assume you are talking about US numbers.

In a media create thread would you assume someone is talking worldwide numbers or numbers for Japan?
 

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Source is IDG, numbers may or may not be NPD.

It's for the first half of 2012 (that is, until June).

Vita software sales: 1.3 million.

Vita hardware: 631k. WiFi model to 3G model is 1.6:1 => 388k and 242k. In June alone, ratio was 2.9:1.

Home console software units: 48.2 million (-23%)

Handheld console software units: 14.6 million (-38%)