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Nvidia GTX 6xx/7xx Launch Thread of Swirling Kepler Rumors
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That's not microstutter...that's just plain stutter that is caused by a bad engine. Turn on DX11 and the problem should go away. It only happens to me in DX9 in Deus Ex.
I turn of SSAO entirely because of the terrible mouse lag it introduces.
Their triple buffering implementation is also poor since it's evidently queuing frames, causing a lot of mouse lag. I don't know why so few engines implement triple buffering properly...drives me nuts.
And before anyone tag quotes me, d3doverrider forces the input lag inducing implementation of triple buffering, so it doesn't help.
Their triple buffering implementation is also poor since it's evidently queuing frames, causing a lot of mouse lag. I don't know why so few engines implement triple buffering properly...drives me nuts.
And before anyone tag quotes me, d3doverrider forces the input lag inducing implementation of triple buffering, so it doesn't help.
Microstutter doesn't exist on single GPU. Whatever you're seeing in a myriad of games is not microstutter. You're mistakening it for HDD lag or pushing games above your VRAM capacity.
This. Buying the latest and greatest has never given a constant 60 FPS, doesn't matter what GPU generation. In many cases CPUs are still the limitation too when trying to hit 60 FPS minimum.
The next GPU from Nvidia isn't going to be an endgame card, even in SLI I have no doubt it'll dip below 60 FPS here and there in today's titles. Moreover, buying dual GPU has never been a good value. You always get more bang from your buck going single GPU and it comes with none of the problems.
Umm...BP101 has been touting and praising the 7970 more than anybody.
nextgeneration
Member
And this will ALWAYS be the case. Developers will keep pushing hardware and there will always be settings in a game or scenarios in a game that will bring down your fps to under 60 fps (no matter how powerful your setup is). This is a never ending cycle.
I mostly prefer AMD cards, but I hope Kepler comes out soon for good competition. These prices are just too damn high. With AMD launching the 7950 later this month, Nvidia better get their act together... end of March still seems too far away. God forbid they slip to June or later. :S
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Yup, true that. And Kepler NEEDS to be a beastly generation of cards so we can have ourselves a 28nm price war, because it's best when competition is so fierce that consumers have to make a hard choice. between great products. 7970/7950 might be beast cards, but if Kepler comes in 2-3 months and is superior, I might just have to sell whatever I've got and grab one.
I personally hope (but don't fully expect) Kepler really is 20-40% faster than 79xx series and also OC's like a beast so AMD goes 'oh shit' and has to do huge price drops.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Maybe. Wouldn't be a bad idea if they did.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The consoles have neither the VRAM nor the grunt to do triple-buffering, and most game engines are made with consoles in mind now. It should surprise nobody that triple-buffering is essentially a lost cause at this point.
Fortunately most console ports run locked at 60fps anyways on my machine, so I just turn Vsync on.
ACH1LL3US
Member
REALLY??!!
I just built my rig, one 3gb 580 evga and a 980x extreme edition, all stock and every game I played thus far at 1080p (Bf BC2, NFS HP) were all over 80 fps average and that is max everything and having 4msaa and 4xssa applied in nvidia control panel. I have yet to play Batman and BF3 but you having TWO gtx 580's and your sayin the performance is horrible makes NO sense. This contradicts everything I have read about a setup like yours/
What cpu are you running? what resolution ??
ACH1LL3US
Member
Again, what resolution are you running and settings in BF3?? Need to know the CPU too, it sounds like somthing isnt right here :/
SapientWolf
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Yeah, there is no way that BF3 is GPU limited with two 580s at 1080p.
ACH1LL3US
Member
The only thing I can think of is if he is running it on Ultra, that even at 1080p BF3 can use more then 1.5gb of vram, so if he doesnt have the 3gb variant of the the 580 he would have the game grabbing memory off the HDD when exceeding 1.5gb causing stutter, frame rate issues etc.
I can't fathom at 1080p bf3 bringing a sli 580 setup to its knees :/
Realistically I shouldn't have to upgrade my setup for years, but I'm trying so hard not to fall into this trap with the 7970s. Been doing good so far
It doesn't. That's why I'm wondering if he's playing above 1080p. Only map on BF3 that gives me "trouble" is Oman. And even then my FPS is in the 70ish range (everything Ultra).
ACH1LL3US
Member
Realistically I shouldn't have to upgrade my setup for years, but I'm trying so hard not to fall into this trap with the 7970s. Been doing good so far
It doesn't. That's why I'm wondering if he's playing above 1080p. Only map on BF3 that gives me "trouble" is Oman. And even then my FPS is in the 70ish range (everything Ultra).
Yea, I know these new cards from AMD and Nvidia will be better then my 580 BUT I just haven't come across a need to upgrade, I already am thinking on holding off on the second 580 as I am that satisfied with the performance. Keep in mind this is my first run with pc gaming since 2003, been console gaming since then so ANYTHING is a huge upgrade to me so far.
You do realize that triple buffering is extremely common on PS3, right? It's been used in games for years while it never (or rarely) shows up on XBOX360.
Rabid Wolverine
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Kepler Features 256-bit and 2GB Memory
http://en.expreview.com/2012/01/14/kepler-features-256-bit-and-2gb-memory/20327.html
This is for the GK104 "Kepler" GPU.
http://en.expreview.com/2012/01/14/kepler-features-256-bit-and-2gb-memory/20327.html
This is for the GK104 "Kepler" GPU.
Ryoma-Echizen
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Different archs. Current nvidia gpu's have shaders at twice the core speed, while AMD gpu's run at the same speed than the core.
You don't want that, 580 is obsolete vs 7970 specially for OC. Max estable/24-7 OC with reference PCB on the HD7970 is 1300-1350Mhz~ and 1200-1250Mhz with stock vcore.
7970 is in a league of it's own.
Did I say that even at 1200Mhz the HD7970 consumes just 15w more? AMD has no competition right now, and they'll wait maaaaaaaaaaaany more months.
The 300M series was completely stupid though, nearly disgraceful really. It hung Nvidia's mobile fans out to dry for nearly an entire year, stuck dicking around with 128 core G92 200M cards for the fastest things available, as the highest 300M card was a pitiful 96 shader 128-bit GDDR5 pos which no one cared about.
If they pull some shit like like with 600M, meaning no high-end parts this year, I'm completely done with the green team.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
Yup, 3xx series was a joke. But Nvidia has been fucking over the mobile space for a long time now. Almost everything has pretty much been a refresh of the 88xx mobile cards, other than the new 4xx/5xx high-end mobile cards.
ElAlcesDiablo
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Are Nvidia cards generally noisier? I got a Vapor-X 5870 specifically to keep things quieter and I've been quite happy with it. Wondering what options on the Nvidia side there are for keeping the dB down.
I'm not that desperate to upgrade now, perhaps later in the year. Is DX11.1 something that cards will have to specifically support? Might it be best to wait for that too?
I'm not that desperate to upgrade now, perhaps later in the year. Is DX11.1 something that cards will have to specifically support? Might it be best to wait for that too?
It's all dependent on the fans. Buy a card with a good heat sink and nice fan and it'll be nice and quiet. Buy something with a cheap heat sink and small, whirly bird fan and it'll be loud.
iNvid02
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Nvidia GeForce GTX 680 May Launch Ahead of Schedule
The world of technology is really a series of chess matches between various rivals, each one making moves based on a
playing board created by the other, all in an attempt to gain an edge and, if possible, declare checkmate (without running
afoul of antitrust laws, of course). Two of the bigger participants are AMD and Nvidia, and to counter AMD's recent Radeon
HD 7000 series launch, Nvidia may opt to release its upcoming GeForce GTX 680 graphics card a month early.
Chinese website ChipHell.com is reporting that Nvidia is pulling back the GTX 680's release from March or April and will launch
the card sometime in February. It's nothing more than a rumor at this point, though ChipHell forum member Napoleon has a pretty
strong track record when it comes to leaked information, VR-Zone says.
That said, the GTX 680 is supposed to offer similar performance to AMD's Radeon HD 7970, currently the fastest single GPU
videocard on the planet. The card's clockspeed is rumored to be 780MHz, and is said to have 2GB of memory. It will be the
first card based on Nvidia's 28nm "Kepler" architecture.
The world of technology is really a series of chess matches between various rivals, each one making moves based on a
playing board created by the other, all in an attempt to gain an edge and, if possible, declare checkmate (without running
afoul of antitrust laws, of course). Two of the bigger participants are AMD and Nvidia, and to counter AMD's recent Radeon
HD 7000 series launch, Nvidia may opt to release its upcoming GeForce GTX 680 graphics card a month early.
Chinese website ChipHell.com is reporting that Nvidia is pulling back the GTX 680's release from March or April and will launch
the card sometime in February. It's nothing more than a rumor at this point, though ChipHell forum member Napoleon has a pretty
strong track record when it comes to leaked information, VR-Zone says.
That said, the GTX 680 is supposed to offer similar performance to AMD's Radeon HD 7970, currently the fastest single GPU
videocard on the planet. The card's clockspeed is rumored to be 780MHz, and is said to have 2GB of memory. It will be the
first card based on Nvidia's 28nm "Kepler" architecture.
I don't even understand what Nvidia is thinking if those rumors are true. We've seen them do the VRAM "numbers game" before (3GB GT 555Ms on Alienware M14x, anyone? Pointless...esp. with it's max 900p screen lol...) - so why not toss out 3GB to match AMD, if nothing else? Seems like that'd be easy to change whereas all of their other specs seem due to yield/architectural problems...
Because 2GB is enough in most cases and it cuts costs. They don't feel pressured.
Rabid Wolverine
Member
Does any game use more than 2GB of data yet?
Would be funny if Nvidia release their card, matchs or excceds the 7970, and is cheaper.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
You guys realize why it'd be 2 GB, right? If the memory bus isn't an off number like 384-bit in the current GTX 580 and is rather a 256-bit bus or a 512-bit bus, they're going to match the memory banks to that. It's the same reason the 7970 has 3 GB of RAM and the 580 has 1.5 GB or 3 GB.
So if the 680/780 has a 512-bit memory bus... wow. With a 512-bit bus and 6+ Ghz GDDR5 RAM, that thing would have insane bandwidth for very high resolution gaming. And if true, they may release a 4 GB version later on.
So if the 680/780 has a 512-bit memory bus... wow. With a 512-bit bus and 6+ Ghz GDDR5 RAM, that thing would have insane bandwidth for very high resolution gaming. And if true, they may release a 4 GB version later on.
Dr. Acid Avatar
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This. I'm going to have about $199 to spend at the beginning of March. Should that be efficient funds for a version of this card?
At 1600p, I go over 2GB in a lot of games.
Kind of silly to launch with only a 2GB part if that is the case, most people buying these cards will be gaming on multiple monitors or over 1080p. Hopefully, a 4GB variant is also available
TheVampire
Banned
Should I bother upgrading from my GTX 590 ?
cartman414
Member
I'd shoot for no less than $500.
Fallout-NL
Member
What's so fucking stellar about the 7970 at €480 ($610)? I don't get it, I paid €280 for my 4870 back when it released. Does AMD see a world where people are still making money hand over fist?
Neither are the 580's dropping in price over here. I need to build a new computer, but I really don't know what GPU I should go for.
Neither are the 580's dropping in price over here. I need to build a new computer, but I really don't know what GPU I should go for.
Slot in the correct price bracket, receive money.
They are priced for the performance they offer versus the nearest competitor. Yeah, it's not fair, but they went that way this time. Perhaps when the entire line is out later this month/February things will change.
infinityBCRT
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I really really hope that the next couple of generations of ultrabooks can get better gaming performance. Whether it be through a dedicated card or an onboard solution-- PC gaming has been hurting quite a bit because it used to be that when you bought a new computer it was guaranteed to run all of the latest games. Now there are computers being sold that can still barely run a 2007 game.
I know this thread is for the desktop stuff, but its not nearly as interesting these days and it won't be until the next generation of consoles roll out so that games are being developed for bleeding edge hardware again.
I know this thread is for the desktop stuff, but its not nearly as interesting these days and it won't be until the next generation of consoles roll out so that games are being developed for bleeding edge hardware again.
Rabid Wolverine
Member
3.0
It should get a lot better since there has been a switch to prioritize performance per watt.
Dude, it's been like that for long time. I mean, since like discrete 3D cards were out. I'd love it to be different, but simply there are office/productivity PCs and gaming PCs.
If these cards are specced on 3.0, don't you need ivybridge to unlock them?
2 things:
1. Lack of competition at that specific performance point.
2. Unlike previous generations, the prices of the old cards never really dropped, so the last generation cards aren't the usual better value.
What do you mean by unlock?
3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0. The HD7970 is PCI-E 3.0 and benchmarks and showed no difference -- we're still a ways out from saturating PCI-E 2.0 x16.