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Maybe the stores inflated price already, but can anyone tell me why the Asus ROG Strix 3090 costs 500 MORE than the MSI Gaming Trio?
To my knowledge, the two best nvidia asemblers have always been MSI and EVGA. Is there a reason for that astonishing price difference?

Asus 2084€, MSI 1620€, Founders 1530€
 

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Maybe the stores inflated price already, but can anyone tell me why the Asus ROG Strix 3090 costs 500 MORE than the MSI Gaming Trio?
To my knowledge, the two best nvidia asemblers have always been MSI and EVGA. Is there a reason for that astonishing price difference?

Asus 2084€, MSI 1620€, Founders 1530€
It's probably just a placeholder price and will probably change closer to launch.
 
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Yeah i mean there is ASUS tax + retail markup, but i don't see the Strix costing THAT much more than MSI or EVGA.
Im really pumped for the msi 3090, but if it ends up costing more than 1700....

Also damn at the embargo thing. It probably means no good
 

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The more we're waiting Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs, the more 3080 starting to look incredibly pathethic with each new benchmark leak in comparison to 2080S even, let alone 2080Ti and 1080Ti. I'm not effin' paying 800+ euro (at least) for 32-39% performance gain if Hardware Unboxed / GamersNexus benchmakrs will show similar results.
Will have to wait and see if all those people who sold their 2080Ti feel regret. Inb4 2080Ti is on par with 3080.
 
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For those more into the technical side of these cards, how good or obtainable would a 3080 be able to hit 4k (Native)/120fps in most current games at max settings?

I am unsure of what direction to take. My TV will do 4k/120fps and I have been experimenting with 1440p/120fps and I honestly find it hard to go back to 60fps (not being a pc elitist) it is just so smooth. I have thought about and have the funds for a 3090, but that is a lot (twice) as much as the 3080. While we don't have benchmarks yet based on what the more tech savvy amongst you, how do you think the 3080 will fair at 4k/120fps?
 

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Question guys: I read the Nvidia spec sheet for the 3070. It recommends at least a 450w PSU. Is that irrespective of what CPU I have?
What I read about 3070 is a 650w psu. I need to get that with my 3070 and I'll pick a 750w for future proofing
 

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What’s the rep of inno3D around here?
They're fine but shorter warranties. Build quality isn't as good & the really cheap variants are usually downgraded even below reference. For this launch they should be fine though, the issues crop up with later low-cost models.
 

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So the rtx3080 founders edition review embargo is postponed to the 16th of september now. One day before official release. Feels bad man....

The results from synthetic benchmarks and
benchmarks from Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Far Cry New Dawn have dissapointed a lot of people. So, I think that Nvidia wants to minimize further exposure of the 3080's real-world performance relative to Turing cards.
 

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The results from synthetic benchmarks and
benchmarks from Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Far Cry New Dawn have dissapointed a lot of people. So, I think that Nvidia wants to minimize further exposure of the 3080's real-world performance relative to Turing cards.
the performance of the 2060S in Far Cry was barely different than any of the top tier cards. Only morons are disappointed based on that benchmark (granted, there are a lot of morons with enough money to buy a 3080). No one actually believed it was 2x a 2080 all the time. It has been show to be 60-80% better in most cases. That's a very big improvement for a card with a starting retail price of $700. We haven't even seen what third party cards with higher TDPs and better cooling can do.
 

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the performance of the 2060S in Far Cry was barely different than any of the top tier cards. Only morons are disappointed based on that benchmark (granted, there are a lot of morons with enough money to buy a 3080). No one actually believed it was 2x a 2080 all the time. It has been show to be 60-80% better in most cases. That's a very big improvement for a card with a starting retail price of $700. We haven't even seen what third party cards with higher TDPs and better cooling can do.
Some have suggested that those benchmarks were conducted with a CPU that bottlenecked the higher-tier cards, which minimized the difference between all of the cards that were tested.
 

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BB allowing 3 per person is such bullshit. You can't even sli with the 3080.
3 is a bit insane, 2 should be the max for people like me who need one for me and one for my wife. Can't imagine there's enough people who need 3 cards to make that the standard.
 
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Will have to wait and see if all those people who sold their 2080Ti feel regret.
Yeah, it'll be quite funny actually to see all these people like - So what, I shouldn't have sold my 2080Ti for $500!?:messenger_grimmacing_ FUUUUUCK! :messenger_face_screaming:

So the rtx3080 founders edition review embargo is postponed to the 16th of september now. One day before official release. Feels bad man....

As if it'll change anything. More leaks will happen anyway, so one way or the other people will find out ahead of reviews what they're hiding.
 
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Yeah, it'll be quite funny actually to see all these people like - So what, I shouldn't have sold my 2080Ti for $500!?:messenger_grimmacing_ FUUUUUCK! :messenger_face_screaming:


As if it'll change anything. More leaks will happen anyway, so one way or the other people will find out ahead of reviews what they're hiding.
Dude what is this red team/green team bullshit schoolyard nonsense. Hiding? All companies try to present their products in the best light and try to get out ahead of public sentiment. There have already been benchmarks done, some favorable to the cards (nvidia's) some not as much. None of it was fake. We all know generally what the performance of the card is going to be at this point. You can judge for yourself if you know jack all about GPUs. It's not 2x a 2080. But it's also more than 25% better than a 2080ti and 60-80% better than a 2080. It's not rocket science. And no, you shouldn't have sold a 2080ti for $500 UNLESS you have money burning a whole in your pocket and absolutely need the latest

The 3070 ain't going to be a straight upgrade to it.. We ALL know that. But if you wanna upgrade for a few hundred bucks to a faster card (which the 3080 undoubtedly is) then who should stop you?
 
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I can’t wait. I’m getting the 3090 to replace my 1080ti. I was going to give it to my wife until she told me she is eyeing a 3070 or 3080 to replace her rx 480
 

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All companies try to present their products in the best light and try to get out ahead of public sentiment.
If what you've said was true, they would've provided their own real world benchmarks from multiple games instead of showing us BS graphs which aren't tell us anything about real world performance in games, let alone making us wait for Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus etc. reviews (or leaks) to get that data. And don't say a word about DOOM Eternal, this game can run on a potato PC in 1080p 60 FPS maxed out.


We all know generally what the performance of the card is going to be at this point.
Speak for yourself please.

But if you wanna upgrade for a few hundred bucks to a faster card (which the 3080 undoubtedly is) then who should stop you?
I don't want to upgrade to get 30-40+ FPS in 4K for 800+ euro or more. That's not a good upgrade in my eyes. Now, 1440p is a whole different conversation and we haven't seen a whole lot of benchmarks being done in this resolution to really say that it's worth upgrading our 1080Ti's / 2080s when it comes to 1440p at least to get the most out of our 120-144Hz monitors.
 
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If what you've said was true, they would've provided their own real world benchmarks from multiple games instead of showing us BS graphs which aren't tell us anything about real world performance in games, let alone making us wait for Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus etc. reviews (or leaks) to get that data. And don't say a word about DOOM Eternal, this game can run on a potato PC in 1080p 60 FPS maxed out.



Speak for yourself please.


I don't want to upgrade to get 30-40+ FPS in 4K for 800+ euro or more. That's not a good upgrade in my eyes. Now, 1440p is a whole different conversation and we haven't seen a whole lot of benchmarks being done in this resolution to really say that it's worth upgrading our 1080Ti's / 2080s when it comes to 1440p at least to get the most out of our 120-144Hz monitors.
Doom is well optimized and scales with gpu performance. How does the fact that it runs on low spec'd hardware invalidate it?

How are graphs and review embargos any different than any other major recent gpu release, from either side? It's par for the course. Take what you see and review critically, then make a decision.

What are you upgrading from that's going to cost 800+ euros or dollars to get 30-40fps more at 4k? That literally makes zero sense or is a disengenuous argument at best. If you're comparing to 2080ti which I think you are, it's a $350 upgrade at most, after tax and shipping/sellers fees on the old card.

Methinks you're one of the dummies who paid $1200 recently and are super salty. In which case, you should keep your card because you didn't get the use out of it you thought you would, wait for a bigger upgrade and stop emotionally shit posting
 
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What are you upgrading from that's going to cost 800+ euros or dollars to get 30-40fps more at 4k?
Aorus 1080Ti, and I'm talking about how much I have to pay to upgrade, even if I'll sell my 1080Ti for $380 (which I can do right now). And look, 800 euro is a shit ton of money in my counrty, which equivalents to around 80-90K RUB with all VAT and Store taxes applied. So in my view at least, If I'll be paying that effin' much, I should get at least 60-80 FPS more in 4K and not pathetic 30-40.

If you're comparing to 2080ti which I think you are, it's a $350 upgrade at most, after tax and shipping/sellers fees on the old card.
Not 2080Ti (but even in comparison to in 3080 does not look impressive), I've posted my 1080Ti results in comparison to 3080. Here, have a look if you've missed it.


Idk, if you're okay with the numbers we've seen so far, more power to you, but personally I want a lot more for 80-90K RUB, period. I also should've mentioned that 80-90K RUB is for high-end AIB models, not Founders edition from NVIDIA the price of which is a lot more tolerable - 65K RUB, but we don't know if it's good or not when it comes to the new cooling system and how much better (if at all) AIB models are.
 
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For those more into the technical side of these cards, how good or obtainable would a 3080 be able to hit 4k (Native)/120fps in most current games at max settings?

I am unsure of what direction to take. My TV will do 4k/120fps and I have been experimenting with 1440p/120fps and I honestly find it hard to go back to 60fps (not being a pc elitist) it is just so smooth. I have thought about and have the funds for a 3090, but that is a lot (twice) as much as the 3080. While we don't have benchmarks yet based on what the more tech savvy amongst you, how do you think the 3080 will fair at 4k/120fps?
Depends on the game. If it has DLSS then probably yeah it hit a 100 fps or above. Without DLSS probably 60 and above in most current titles. If you need card just for gaming, get 3080, 3090 is titan's replacement for this gen, most advantages come from 24 gigs of GDDR6X memory over 10 on 3080, so it's more of a content creators type of card. It won't do that much better in pure gaming.

Aorus 1080Ti, and I'm talking about how much I have to pay to upgrade, even if I'll sell my 1080Ti for $380 (which I can do right now). And look, 800 euro is a shit ton of money in my counrty, which equivalents to around 80-90K RUB with all VAT and Store taxes applied. So in my view at least, If I'll be paying that effin' much, I should get at least 60-80 FPS more in 4K and not pathetic 30-40.
30-40 fps gain in 4K is a lot, get real, amigo.
 
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Aorus 1080Ti, and I'm talking about how much I have to pay to upgrade, even if I'll sell my 1080Ti for $380 (which I can do right now). And look, 800 euro is a shit ton of money in my counrty, which equivalents to around 80-90K RUB with all VAT and Store taxes applied. So in my view at least, If I'll be paying that effin' much, I should get at least 60-80 FPS more in 4K and not pathetic 30-40.


Not 2080Ti (but even in comparison to in 3080 does not looks impressive), I've posted my 1080Ti results in comparison to 3080. Here, have a look if you've missed it.


Idk, if you're okay with the numbers we've seen so far, more power to you, but personally I want a lot more for 80-90K RUB, period. I also should've mentioned that 80-90K RUB is for high-end AIB models, not Founders edition from NVIDIA the price of which is a lot more tolerable - 65K RUB, but we don't know if it's good or not when it comes to the new cooling system and how much better (if at all) AIB models are.
Sorry your situation is what it is but that's not the case for most people, so without context your assertion of 800+ euros just didn't make sense.

It seems like if you're determined to make a decision off of two games, one of which is horribly optimized and widely recognized as a pathetic, unfinished port, then you know what you should do.
 
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I think I'm dead set on the msi 3080 trio. I have the b&h and Amazon link pulled up in case preorders go back up.
 

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The results from synthetic benchmarks and
benchmarks from Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Far Cry New Dawn have dissapointed a lot of people. So, I think that Nvidia wants to minimize further exposure of the 3080's real-world performance relative to Turing cards.
Far Cry engine is ancient and 100% CPU limited, shit game to test GPU performance. Tests should be done only in games/scenarios where GPU can be utilized to 100%. But this embargo delay is shit move by them, "arrogant Nvidia is back" :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
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So the rtx3080 founders edition review embargo is postponed to the 16th of september now. One day before official release. Feels bad man....

They're trying to hide the fact the 3080 is only 35% faster than a 2080 Ti (from leaks, not just the review one). Thousands pre-ordered based on the marketing hype show and lies basically. Some expecting 70%+ performance increase, believe its 30 Turing-like tflops (tflops dont mean anything btw), 10GB of memory is enough (review showed Horizon using 9GB), etc
 

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Far Cry engine is ancient and 100% CPU limited, shit game to test GPU performance. Tests should be done only in games/scenarios where GPU can be utilized to 100%. But this embargo delay is shit move by them, "arrogant Nvidia is back" :messenger_grinning_squinting:
Assuming we're looking at the same leaked benchies, using a 10900k is cpu limited? Either doing some unique things, its a poor engine, or we need a more powerful gaming proven CPU...
 
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30-40 fps gain in 4K is a lot, get real, amigo.

Sorry your situation is what it is but that's not the case for most people, so without context your assertion of 800+ euros just didn't make sense.
It's not like I can't pay that much, I can, it's just a question whether it's worth it or not, and for now at least it isn't. We'll see if it'll change next week.

It seems like if you're determined to make a decision off of two games, one of which is horribly optimized and widely recognized as a pathetic, unfinished port, then you know what you should do.
Absolutely not, that's why I want to wait for real world benchmakrs in more games in which I'm interested in, playing right now or will be playing / replaying. Like, I don't really care for example if 3080 is way better in F1 2020, Project Cars games, Total War games, Battlefield games, Apex Legends, COD Warzone, MS Flight Simulator 2020, Far Cry games, Wolfenstein II, Youngblood etc. cuz I don't care about these games and not/won't be playing them.

As for Horizon. Say what you will about PC port and yes is not perfect, but it runs perfectly fine (I mean, not 100+ FPS 100% of time fine, but a lot better that I expected 70+FPS 99,9% of time) on my rig in 1440p and it looks absolutely amazing.
 
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Sorry your situation is what it is but that's not the case for most people, so without context your assertion of 800+ euros just didn't make sense.

It seems like if you're determined to make a decision off of two games, one of which is horribly optimized and widely recognized as a pathetic, unfinished port, then you know what you should do.
I would like to come back to your posts after we've seen the reviews and how far from reality the Nvidia hype show was.

Performance, power draw, Samsung's 8nm even the damn prices given look deceitful based on leaks before the show and after. I say the price is deceitful as apparently there is extremely limited stock and only a small number of people will get them for the prices announced.

Yes, companies flatter themselves at GPU reveals, but this looks like the worst case of that I have ever seen from Nvidia.

EDIT: This leak looks even worse for the 3080 vs 2080 Ti. I said 35%, this pegs the 2080 Ti at just 24% slower:

 
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Assuming we're looking at the same leaked benchies, using a 10900k is cpu limited? Either doing some unique things, its a poor engine, or we need a more powerful gaming proven CPU...
It's Ubisoft DX11 engine so it performs like shit. But maybe I was wrong, FC5 still seems to scale fine with GPU power but only in 4K.
 
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Interesting thoughts

I mean, if it weren't for AMD's absolutely terrible marketing strategy for their RDNA2 cards this year and if it weren't for driver issues that's been plaguing AMD cards for quite some time now (also, from what I've been told, you can't force AF via control panel for DX11 / DX12 games), I could've been more excited to hear all this. But as it stands now, I'll remain skeptical.

Also, it's good to hear that Founders cooling system is really good, but still I want to be 120% sure about that before I'll order 3080 from Nvidia's store, if I'll even be able to do that.
 
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I can buy 2080ti for 664$, I wonder if 3070 will really be better than this GPU or only in specific (RTX) cases. In Poland Nvidia recommended 3070 price is listed as 627$ (871$ for 3080).

:pie_thinking: if 3070 is in poor quanity and not exactly better than 2080ti prices of it will rise up (just like 1080ti in 2018). And there are are Radeons late to the party...
 
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Have people talked about Moores theory that nvidia is currently shortening stock to push the prices of 30XX cards?
While a bit tinfoil hatty, it's super interesting.

I will now completely lay out what I am saying, and provide the remaining details:

  1. Nvidia wants to keep their 50%+ average margins while pretending they are offering good value.
  2. They seek to accomplish this by selling incredible Founders Editions with low margins (at MSRP) from their website, but with painfully limited stock by design.
  3. Nvidia knows that if they get stellar Day One reviews praising Ampere for its performance and value, they will win back the hearts of gamers – which they lost with Turing – before RDNA 2 launches. Most people only read and remember the Day One reviews.
  4. There should be AIB models available day 1, but I am told only ~20% of the stock is required to be near MSRP, and likely in models with far inferior coolers to the FE design. Already a glance at some of the announced AIB cards shows that indeed, these are not going to be sold at MSRP: https://www.techspot.com/news/86681-aftermarket-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-card-prices-revealed.html
  5. Additionally, Nvidia is allegedly causing supply of all Ampere models (including AIB) to be artificially limited during the first month of sales. Nvidia is supposedly doing so by controlling some key components AIBs need. I was able to independently verify this with an AIB who said “There will be low stock at launch, but it’s just propaganda.”
  6. Ampere demand will outstrip the initial stock, and so the price will balloon by October.
  7. Eventually, this stock issue will suddenly disappear, much sooner than we have been led to believe with rumors about bad yields.
  8. If all of this is true, Nvidia could state that the elevated prices aren’t their doing, and they could do so while pointing to a very limited number of cards that sell for MSRP every week. Likely models with the cheapest coolers.
  9. The double memory versions of cards (RTX 3080 20GB, RTX 3070 16GB) should land roughly around when Nvidia stuffs the inventory in October. These will also come with a far higher price than the original models.
  10. I can confirm that the double memory cards will not be sold from Nvidia’s website, and thus they will be able to claim AIBs are behind the price hike. These marked up cards are likely what Nvidia really wants you all to buy, and yet all those Day One reviews will say the 3080 is “Just $700.” Having your cake and eating it too.
  11. Samsung’s 8nm node sounds much more able than previously reported by MLID. It doesn’t sound like there are “yield” problems on Samsung’s glorified 10nm node in 2020. At least not problems big enough to cause Ampere stock to be as low as it will be artificially at launch.
 
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Have people talked about Moores theory that nvidia is currently shortening stock to push the prices of 30XX cards?
While a bit tinfoil hatty, it's super interesting.



This reeks of bullshit at steps 1 and 2.

The immediate expectation is that Nvidia FE has larger margins for Nvidia because it cuts partners out as the middleman. If anything partners are worried that Nvidia is gonna crowd them out of the market, eventually adopting Apples strategy of developing everything in-house.

If that is the case, then Nvidia MUST artificially restrict their own FE supply to make room for their AIB partners. Therefore it is probably not a bad thing if Nvidia artificially restricts their own FE supply.
 
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This reeks of bullshit at steps 1 and 2.

The immediate expectation is that Nvidia FE has larger margins for Nvidia because it cuts partners out as the middleman. If anything partners are worried that Nvidia is gonna crowd them out of the market, eventually adopting Apples strategy of developing everything in-house.

If that is the case, then Nvidia MUST artificially restrict their own FE supply to make room for their AIB partners. Therefore it is probably not a bad thing if Nvidia artificially restricts their own FE supply.
I wouldn't put it past nVidia.

More importantly, it was quite clear from the beginning that nVidia is trying to make these cards look better than they really are. Then there's those recent Tomb Raider & Far Cry performance leaks, which has kind of disappointed quite a few people. People give in to hype very easily and lose their critical thinking.
 
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Just saw a used RTX2080 Super + i5 8600k CPU + Asus Z370 P mainboard as a set for €400. Maybe I should get that, sell the CPU and mobo for €200. Then I'd have the 2080 Super for €200, versus €400 I was on the brink of spending for a used 2070 Super a month ago. I game at 1080p, but I do have a 60" 4k TV to which I could hook the TV, but then I'd be fighting my son who games on that TV with his Xbox.

Should I do that? I mean, sure, it will feel nice to own a 3070 or 3080, but both theseccards will really be a waste at 1080p. I might get a 1440p monitor, and I guess a 2080 Super should be fine at 1440?
 

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In case anyone was looking to buy the 3080 FE at Microcenter


I'd say double check with your store, but I think this may come down to getting the FE either at nvidia site or Best Buy.


 
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So I sold my 1070 and bought 2060 super for just ~50$ more, better performance and all this RT and DLSS shit in


Will upgrade in a ~year once Ampere and Navi prices stabilize
 
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I still don't believe the 3070 is faster than the 2080ti and I believe a 3080ti will have either been leaked or released by Xmas.

My 2080ti and 1080ti may stay in my two gaming pc's till the 3080ti does come out.
 
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MLID is a terrible, clickbaity youtube channel designed to rile up AMD shills.
It's everyone's choice to heed his warning or not. I just know that he was right about the consoles and he was right about nVidia's cards as before release as well. He gets hated on because he doesn't have popular opinions most of the time.

But in any case... Based on MicroCenter's recent response... If even they are not getting FE cards, well.. It does not bode well for FE 3000 series stock/supply. And considering we have some AIBs with 4 slot coolers for the RTX3080... Let's just say that at this point, if you want an FE card, make sure you get it immediately.