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Spoilers NX Gamer PS5 full spec analysis - a new generation is born

HawarMiran

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The One X was a beast as well. People got it to play third parties. Wow. And the series X will cater to console players only, because people who really care for maximum power go with a PC anyway. Nintendo and Sony crushed Xbox mainly because of the games. Not Powerrrr! Why do people get a fucking Switch? Because they offer games you can't play anywhere else. Keep it real. The Series X will be for the hardcore Xbox fan for a long time. And I will play their bangers on my PC. If Sony goes Microsofts route and releases on PC regurarly as well, I will get no damn console.
 
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So are sony 1st party devs handcuffed to base ps4 when it pertains to ps5 exclusive development? I know xbox is, but the idea of being forced to code on a 1.4TF machine with a massive cpu/memory bottleneck seems like even more of an anchor now that these specs have been released. These machines are all about bandwidth, SSD, and power, theres no way you can share the same scope with such a handicapped machine like Xbox one or ps4. If ps5 devs are free to shed the ps4 from their vision, that alone is undoubtedly huge.
 
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Yea tflop gets redundant if the game hits a CPU bottleneck. Good luck bottlenecking a ryzen 2 3,5ghz cpu tho with 9-10tflops gpu while they will focus at 4k resolutions. There is a reason why PC gamers with far weaker CPU's still upgrade there GPU's with 4k screens to stuff like 2080/2080ti's. CPU bottleneck isn't much of a thing at that resolution.

His whole talk about tflops is just resolution is laughable at best, if that was the case why even upgrade your 970gtx, thing gives the same performance as a 2080ti.

Look at the end of the day people buy what makes sense for them.

Xbox one was a massive dud, 100 bucks more worse at everything. There was absolute no reason to not buy a PS4 for the majority of people and that's exactly what happened if you were not into PC gaming.

However this generation.

Want best version of fifa / multiplatform game but want a console, get a xbox.
Want the best version of fifa / multiplatform game get a PC
Want to play xbox exclusives, get a PC or xbox
Want to play PC exclusives, get a PC
Want to play Sony exclusives, get a PS5 or PC maybe? not sure if they going to port there games more from now on.
Want sony exclusives but want a console, get a PS5.
Yes, you will get the best 3rd party versions on Xbox Series X with present day gamedesign.. Things will change though. I'm not gonna rain on all you xbox fans parade, you deserve some sunshine. When engines start to shift to adopt and exploit the massive SSD bandwith though, things will change.
 
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HawarMiran

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Page 4 on similar thread name as Gaf on era. Dictactor DF schooled NXG 😎.

He also got called out for downplaying TF on XSX specs video.

DF - The expert of the industry
Experts of the industry 😂. Aren't they journalists of Eurogamer?
Edit: Dark1x is a software engineer. That much I could get from that thread. Nothing about Dictators profession besides journalism.
 
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I thought we were past the point of speculation, the specs are out there ...well mostly (Cerny didn’t say a word about how much RAM the ps5 OS will take)

Things look crystal clear to me.
So you're speculating?
So are sony 1st party devs handcuffed to base ps4 when it pertains to ps5 exclusive development? I know xbox is, but the idea of being forced to code on a 1.4TF machine with a massive cpu/memory bottleneck seems like even more of an anchor now that these specs have been released. These machines are all about bandwidth, SSD, and power, theres no way you can share the same scope with such a handicapped machine like Xbox one or ps4. If ps5 devs are free to shed the ps4 from their vision, that alone is undoubtedly huge.
Why would they develop PS5 games with PS4 in mind?
 

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They have to if an exclusive game is on ps4 like xbox one games. I'm hoping they dont have to like xbox.
Its not, we're going to enter a whole new gen. Theres going to be a transition period but evetually everything will just be on PS5.
 
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Its not, we're going to enter a whole new gen. Theres going to be a transition period but evetually everything will just be on PS5.
Yep which is how it has always been, third party devs are not gonna fully transition till 2 years after launch maybe a bit earlier but that is being optimistic.
 

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NXgamer gets schooled by DF guys on Era 😅 good stuff 😎
Page 4 on similar thread name as Gaf on era. Dictactor DF schooled NXG 😎.

He also got called out for downplaying TF on XSX specs video.

DF - The expert of the industry
Er, yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but that did not happen at all.

If you are referencing the comment he made that Devs have to choose between modes on CPU and GPU performance and that the clocks are not variable but Fixed i,e, they choose 3.5GHz CPU and 2GHz GPU or 2.2GHz GPU and 3.2GHz CPU then as i said this seems a very odd choice and I am also speaking to Devs to get the info on this myself as if correct it points to a very perculiar choice here rather than dynamic(but predictable) as is always the standard and indeed as Mark Cerny described in the talk.
 
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ok so the ssd can deliver 5.5 gb per second, do you know how that compares to actual memory? I mean ddr 5 can deliver 51.2gb per second so how can this be used as extra ram? if it does it will slow the system down massively
There will be a part of RAM that will be allotted for streamed data only. So as the game is rendering whatever data is already available in the RAM its also loading new data from the SSD that can be shown in the next second, and this new data in the ps5 can be as much as 8GB due to its superfast SSD. This is where the ps5 totally outshines xsex as it has more than 8GB to allot for streamed data whereas xsex has only about 2.5 Gb (these figures are obtained from simple calculations taking into account GPU and CPU overheads plus resident data size.)
 

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K watched it. Your typical youtuber, reads some specs on reddit and is a expert. makes a video and falls flat on his face.

Conclusion.

Guy has no clue what he's talking about. He just rambles information of a sheet and makes comparisons that are laughable bad. I could make a list but why bother. I must say its not as bad as his tflops are a lie video as he completely missed the ball there. Actually its even worse because he used the same reasoning in this video STILL.

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Hm.... No, you don't make a strong case at all. Weak arguments, while NXgamer has made tons of videos in which he often proves to be more knowledgable than Digital Foundry. Don't act so defensive, he still loves Xbox just the same.
 

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Hope so? There are advantages to having a faster SSD, but its minimal advantage that most people will not care about. Sony will have less time loading screen, it may help with LOD pop in, other than that it not fix the power difference.
cerny also said no more corridors to get to the next level. but i mean who he is. you probably smarter than him.
 
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Page 4 on similar thread name as Gaf on era. Dictactor DF schooled NXG 😎.
The first two pages are speaking glowingly of NXGamer. Unlike on GAF, where he seems to get shit on at every turn. Yet he posts here. Weird how that works.
 

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The first two pages are speaking glowingly of NXGamer. Unlike on GAF, where he seems to get shit on at every turn. Yet he posts here. Weird how that works.
Of course they are, since he is telling them what they want to hear. I get the guy , he knows his fanbase, and despite him putting laughs at my posts I am not annoyed by him or his channel. The guy has an agenda and it shows, in this video he is basically repeating exact phrases that Cerny said (look, Sony has made a console by developers for developers blah blah blah). He doesn’t even try to question how the variable clock speeds will work, what the cons of such a set up are, what sacrifices developers must make to have either the gpu or the cpu working at full clocks‘ speed e.t.c. He just preaches Cerny’s gospel, reaches to the exact same conclusions with the era fanboys and thus they are happy. When DF members say even the simplest things to correct him, or the era fanboys, there’s trouble.
 
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Wow, looks like The digital foundry guy is about to get banned from era.
So he is basicly saying what i was saying, that the XSX even has more features to use its power more effectively than the PS5 wich some people here don't understand. And that is with the added power difference and locked clocks. Its just more smartly designed system and has more raw power and features.
 
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I say this everyday and so called computer engineers in here think im talking bs. " It doesnt matter how many teraflops you got graphics will always be a memory problem, huge and fast memory is always better the ps5 would be able to display more data, more assets on screen than the series x. The series x would probably win on resolution though.
 
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I say this everyday and so called computer engineers in here think im talking bs. " It doesnt matter how many teraflops you got graphics will always be a memory problem, huge and fast memory is always better the ps5 would be able to display more data, more assets on screen than the series x. The series x would probably win on resolution though.
The majority of the XSX Ram dedicated to games is much faster than the ps5 Ram.
 
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The majority of the XSX Ram dedicated to games is much faster than the ps5 Ram.
Its faster ram but still 10gb and its not so much faster anyway it can at 60 fps 560/60 = 9.3gb of data per frame max vs 480/60 = 8.1gb per frame but the ssd is 2x faster and we are yet to see how theyll use it properly

Heres amd demoing ssg gpu they loaded a 250 billion data set on screen which is impossible to load with 16gb alone so its the first demo of using ssd as vram so they can load more data onscreen than the memory can hold this is the trick and the ssd inside this pc gpu is only 1.5gb/s now imagine what they can do with the ps5s ssd 5.5 - 9gb/s




Here are the specs similar bandwidth as the ps5 aswell
 

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The hbm2 mempry is 16gb 483gb/s 12.2 vega teraflops its old slow architecture while
the ps5 memory is 16gb 486gb/s 10tf and rdna 2 architecture
In your futile attempt to present....something you are making mistakes even in basic stuff, the ps5 Ram is 448 Gb/s not 486 😂😂
 
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The hbm2 mempry is 16gb 483gb/s 12.2 vega teraflops its old slow architecture while
the ps5 memory is 16gb 486gb/s 10tf and rdna 2 architecture
What do you think the next consumer pc gpu's from Amd gonna use? ssg? no. They are gonna be straight gddr6 and bandwith even higher than XSX with lots of ram and cu just like the XSX did to its predecessor to get more performance.
 
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In your futile attempt to present....something you are making mistakes even in basic stuff, the ps5 Ram is 448 Gb/s not 486 😂😂
[/QUOTES] sorry 448gb/s its a minor difference the point is the ssd on the ssg is only 1.5gb/s and the ps5s is 5.5-9 gb/s it can display more data onscreen than the amd gpu here.
 
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What do you think the next consumer pc gpu's from Amd gonna use? ssg? no. They are gonna be straight gddr6 and bandwith even higher than XSX with lots of ram and cu just like the XSX did to its predecessor to get more performance.
Were not talking about console vs pc here, i dont know what amd will use on the future but certainly the pc ssds will have to be used just star citizen needs a ssd compulsory doesnt matter how fast your pc gpu is
 

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Minor difference . Well then the XSX Ram speed is around 620 GB/s , I mean the difference is minor.
 
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I know, I was making a joke about the added imaginery speed of the ps5 ram that you mentioned. Since you are using peak numbers for the ps5 SSD , the XSX 560 GB/s Ram combined with its 4.8 gb/s SSD (because some people are pretending that the XSX doesn’t even have an SSD) will have absolutely no problem taking advantage of the console’s monster 12.155 TF GPU which is combined with a true 3.8 GHz Zen2 CPU (none of the variable clock speeds bullshit).
 
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Solid video NX, have a cookie!

What NX digested for our ease of consumption is undoubtedly the sentiment of every single dev out there that is an actual dev.

Don't call me a fragile fanboy! I would be singing the exact tune were it reversed between MS & Sony. I'm all about the tech and I'm lucky enough to have enough clarity of vision to add 2 & 2 together. PS5 is the next gen disruption the sector needs.

Yes XsX has an extra ~2f, and it will result in more raw pixels. But what is also true are diminishing returns at these levels especially with reconstruction techniques and dynamic rez scaling etc.

But a game made around the PS5 ram subsystem cannot be replicated on XsX without drastic cutbacks.

The possibilities the PS5 offers to devs is a whole new paradigm shift for the industry.
I agree that PS5 has some secret sauce with that SSD. But do you thing people outside of first party will use it ? I owe all consoles this gen, and i will buy a both console this holiday . I really think these consoles are more similar than different.
 
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