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[NYT] An Urgent Reckoning for the Trump Brand

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"Companies and institutions are shunning President Trump and some associates after the attack on the U.S. Capitol. The Trump family business, built on luxury hospitality, is contemplating a reinvention."​

Bolding my own.
In the span of four days, President Trump’s family business has lost its online store, the buzz from Mr. Trump’s promotional tweets about its luxury resorts and bragging rights as host to one of the world’s most prestigious golf tournaments.

The mob attack on Congress last week by Mr. Trump’s supporters has spurred a reckoning for the Trump Organization by businesses and institutions, at a scale far greater than his previous polarizing actions.

And the Trump brand, premised on gold-plated luxury and a super-affluent clientele, may not fully recover from the fallout of his supporters violently storming and vandalizing the U.S. Capitol, hospitality analysts say and some people close to the business acknowledge. Other companies linked with the Trumps, including Deutsche Bank, the president’s largest lender, and Signature Bank, are also seeking distance from him and his business.

The backlash is part of a broader shunning of Mr. Trump and his allies unfolding in the wake of the deadly assault on the Capitol. Schools stripped the president of honorary degrees, some prominent Republicans threatened to leave the party and the New York State Bar Association announced it had begun investigating Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, which could lead to his removal from the group.

As House Democrats introduced an article of impeachment on Monday, more than a dozen big businesses vowed to withhold certain political donations. Coca-Cola said it would pause donations from its political action committee, saying in a statement that “these events will long be remembered and will factor into our future contribution decisions.” Marriott, the giant hotel chain, said it would pause donations from its political action committee “to those who voted against certification of the election,” a reference to the congressional Republicans who joined Mr. Trump’s false claims of election fraud. Morgan Stanley and AT&T said they, too, would suspend contributions to those lawmakers.

The Trump Organization had already been facing considerable financial challenges. Many of its golf and resort properties had been losing money, and the pandemic had forced it to close some restaurants and bars and drastically reduce hotel occupancy, including at its hotel a few blocks from the White House. And with more than $300 million in debt coming due in the next few years that the president has personally guaranteed, there had been some urgency for the company to line up new deals.

While such an array of challenges would spell doom for just about any hospitality brand, executives of the Trump Organization said they planned on cashing in on Mr. Trump’s global fame with overseas branding deals.

“There has never been a political figure with more support or energy behind them than my father,” Eric Trump, the president’s son, who helps run the family business, said in a statement on Monday.
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The family is also already considering starting a media outfit that would cater to Mr. Trump’s tens of millions of supporters, an effort that gained some urgency last week when Twitter and Facebook barred the president from their platforms.

“There will be no shortage of incredible opportunities in real estate and beyond,” Eric Trump said.

Before becoming president, Mr. Trump had cycled through many lines of business, including casinos, an airline and reality television. Some ventures were wildly successful, while others were colossal failures. But they revealed his ability to camouflage his wares and capitalize on opportunities, even when his name appeared irreparably tarnished.

This time, the challenges are steeper. The fallout began on Thursday, when the e-commerce provider Shopify said it had terminated online stores affiliated with the president.

The biggest blow came on Sunday, when the P.G.A. of America announced it would strip Mr. Trump’s New Jersey golf club of a major tournament.

Mr. Trump was said to be “gutted” by the P.G.A. decision, according to a person close to the White House, as he had worked personally for years to push the tournament executives to hold events at his courses.

In a statement that hinted at a potential legal challenge, the Trump Organization called the decision “a breach of a binding contract,” adding that “they have no right to terminate the agreement.”

The P.G.A. Championship, scheduled for May 2022, was the ultimate golf-world trophy for the Trump brand, which over the last two decades has assembled an international collection of golf courses and resorts that now collectively represent about a third of the company’s revenue, according to the most recent financial disclosure report.

The tournament itself is not a major source of profit, but hosting an internationally recognized event is enormously valuable for marketing. It also would have bestowed greater legitimacy on Mr. Trump and his brand, which includes 16 golf clubs around the world.

“It has become clear that conducting the P.G.A. Championship at Trump Bedminster would be detrimental to the P.G.A. of America brand,” Jim Richerson, the P.G.A. of America president, said in a video statement.

The loss associated with the cancellation is difficult to calculate, but it will be very large and last for years, said Jay Karen, chief executive of the National Golf Course Owners Association.

“You have millions of avid golfers who have a proverbial bucket list,” tied to major tournaments like the P.G.A. Championship, he said. “If you had a major coming to you and it was pulled from you, that would certainly sting.”

In an email to members on Monday, the golf club said, “We have had a wonderful partnership with the P.G.A. of America and share your disappointment on their decision.”

The damage is expected to continue as various companies and industries reassess their relationship with Mr. Trump and his family business.

Mr. Trump’s hotels, like the Trump National Doral near Miami, had already lost many of the major corporate conferences after he made disparaging remarks about Muslims and Mexicans, among others, during his first presidential campaign, and his comments after a deadly rally by white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017 suggesting that “there is blame on both sides.”

But the fallout from the attacks last week will be steeper and longer lasting, analysts and people familiar with the company said. Some members of the president’s golf clubs are reassessing whether to keep their memberships because of possible protests and vandalism, one of the people said.

David J. Sangree, a hotel industry consultant from Ohio, said that Mr. Trump’s role in the attack on the Capitol would further undermine the company’s efforts to appeal to affluent customers who were not Trump supporters.

“This is a big negative,” Mr. Sangree said. “There’s no question they’re going to lose more events because many groups are saying, ‘We don’t want to be associated with this brand.’”


Even plans to launch a Trump media platform will face obstacles. If Mr. Trump seeks to forge a new conservative news network, or join an existing one like OAN or Newsmax, corporate advertisers are hardly guaranteed to support him.

“There’s only so much that My Pillow guy can subsidize,” said Jon Klein, the former president of CNN U.S., referring to Mike Lindell, the chief executive of My Pillow who is an outspoken supporter of the president. “It’s suddenly a lot more daunting a proposition than it was a week ago for OAN and Newsmax.”

Instead, Mr. Trump might find more success in generating a newsletter — embedded with a link to a streaming channel — for millions of paid subscribers, said Mr. Klein, who is chairman of TAPP Media, a subscription streaming service. “He has ignited the passions of his tribe and subscription services are all about tribalism.”

After Twitter permanently suspended the president’s account on Friday, he suggested he might build his own social media platform, but doing so would likely present daunting logistical and legal challenges. And whatever he seeks to create may require significant resources and possibly loans, which could be in short supply from mainstream sources.

Deutsche Bank, which has been Mr. Trump’s primary lender for two decades, has decided not to do business with Mr. Trump or his company in the future, according to a person familiar with the bank’s thinking. Mr. Trump currently owes Deutsche Bank more than $300 million, which is due in the next few years.

The bank has concluded that, short of forgiving the debt, it has no way to extricate itself from the Trump relationship before the loans come due.

Another longtime financial partner of the Trumps, Signature Bank, also is cutting ties. The bank — which helped Mr. Trump finance his Florida golf course and where Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter, was once a board member — issued a statement calling on Mr. Trump to resign as president “in the best interests of our nation and the American people.”

Susan Turkell, a spokeswoman for the bank, said Signature had decided that it “will not do business in the future with any members of Congress who voted to disregard the Electoral College.” Ms. Turkell said that in the wake of the riots the bank began closing Mr. Trump’s two personal accounts, which had about $5.3 million.


As his presidency ends, Mr. Trump is returning to a far different business than the one he ran when he took office.

Several hotel properties that carried his name have been erased from the portfolio, including ones in New York, Panama and Toronto. Plans for two new budget-friendly hotel lines, once a priority, have been indefinitely shelved. And a product branding windfall, which led Mr. Trump to endorse an array of items from steaks to mattresses, has dwindled.

The company also faces a criminal investigation from the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is examining whether the president and his company committed any financial or tax crimes in recent years.

Leaving the White House, however, means that Mr. Trump will no longer face ethical restrictions like bans on international deals, potentially opening new business possibilities. The company could look for new deals in places where company executives believe Mr. Trump remains popular, such as Brazil, Argentina, Israel, Saudi Arabia and India. Mr. Trump could also hit the speaking circuit, collecting large payments for each appearance, a company executive said.

And some customers are likely to remain loyal to the existing Trump properties — particularly in red or purple states like Florida and North Carolina — no matter what the president does or says, or how many times he is impeached.

Mickael Damelincourt, the managing director at the Trump hotel in Washington, proclaimed on Twitter on Sunday that “America’s Living Room is ready for you,” as the hotel steakhouse and lobby bar aim to reopen on Friday.

In Miami, at Trump National Doral, the bar was busy at happy hour on Friday, as was the members-only clubhouse, with customers overheard talking both about golf games and business deals, almost none of them wearing masks.

Marion McCarthy and her husband, Donald, were having drinks there — where they have been members for decades. Dozens of other guests were arriving at the resort for the U.S. Am Tour, which drew more than 100 players, according to one scorecard, which added “Doral Amateur is SOLD OUT!!!!”

“What we are seeing is an overreaction,” Mr. McCarthy said. “Once he is out of office, I think he will be able to come down here and play a little more golf.”
 
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Whoops--title should say "[NYT] An Urgent Reckoning for the Trump Brand"

Any mods able to update? EviLore EviLore ?

Edit: Much appreciated brother!
 
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It's worth calling out on it's own some big implications for Trump. His banks have stated they will no longer work with him

Deutsche Bank, which has been Mr. Trump’s primary lender for two decades, has decided not to do business with Mr. Trump or his company in the future, according to a person familiar with the bank’s thinking. Mr. Trump currently owes Deutsche Bank more than $300 million, which is due in the next few years.

The bank has concluded that, short of forgiving the debt, it has no way to extricate itself from the Trump relationship before the loans come due.

Another longtime financial partner of the Trumps, Signature Bank, also is cutting ties. The bank — which helped Mr. Trump finance his Florida golf course and where Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter, was once a board member — issued a statement calling on Mr. Trump to resign as president “in the best interests of our nation and the American people.”

Susan Turkell, a spokeswoman for the bank, said Signature had decided that it “will not do business in the future with any members of Congress who voted to disregard the Electoral College.” Ms. Turkell said that in the wake of the riots the bank began closing Mr. Trump’s two personal accounts, which had about $5.3 million.

As his presidency ends, Mr. Trump is returning to a far different business than the one he ran when he took office.

I am curious if Trump can survive financially from this. Seems grim.
 

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worst case scenario they reinvent themselves as a 100% political brand

Who will finance it though?
Even plans to launch a Trump media platform will face obstacles. If Mr. Trump seeks to forge a new conservative news network, or join an existing one like OAN or Newsmax, corporate advertisers are hardly guaranteed to support him.

“There’s only so much that My Pillow guy can subsidize,” said Jon Klein, the former president of CNN U.S., referring to Mike Lindell, the chief executive of My Pillow who is an outspoken supporter of the president. “It’s suddenly a lot more daunting a proposition than it was a week ago for OAN and Newsmax.”

Instead, Mr. Trump might find more success in generating a newsletter — embedded with a link to a streaming channel — for millions of paid subscribers, said Mr. Klein, who is chairman of TAPP Media, a subscription streaming service. “He has ignited the passions of his tribe and subscription services are all about tribalism.”

After Twitter permanently suspended the president’s account on Friday, he suggested he might build his own social media platform, but doing so would likely present daunting logistical and legal challenges. And whatever he seeks to create may require significant resources and possibly loans, which could be in short supply from mainstream sources.
 

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The democrats wouldn’t have let that happen regardless. I’m glad he went out fighting
Maybe, maybe not.

However, the Capitol whatever-you-call-it had them crawling on all fours and sh**ting their paints and pantsuits. This is very personal now.
 

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What's a nice retirement life worth if you're nothing but a loser? You're ascribing to Trump a motivation he does not have. He cares ONLY about winning and adulation
Sounds like something a loser would say. If he would have just admitted he lost and conceded so much of this could have been avoided. Im not ascribing to anything, just being logical. Don't even know why you brought up the second thing
 
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Sounds like something a loser would say. If he would have just admitted he lost and conceded so much of this could have been avoided. Im not ascribing to anything, just being logical. Don't even know why you brought up the second thing
I think you misunderstand my post, the first sentence is something Trump would think, it's not what I think! Trump doesn't care about "a nice retirement", retirement would mean disappearing quietly out of the public eye and there's not enough winning and adulation in that game
 

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This was Trump's choice. He went the thermonuclear route to losing and in so doing irradiated his brand for the general public. The only person he has to blame is himself and he'll have to live with his own actions.
 
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I think you misunderstand my post, the first sentence is something Trump would think, it's not what I think! Trump doesn't care about "a nice retirement", retirement would mean disappearing quietly out of the public eye and there's not enough winning and adulation in that game
Oh ok, my bad then.
 
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I personally feel he’ll run to the Arabia’s to hide out for a few years.

The middle east is the last place he'll go. An arrest warrant in Iraq and a price on his head in Iran. Wouldn't want to be on his secret service detail either way.

Central Europe would be a better bet, after all that's where he recruits his wives. Melania might be ready to hit the road. Four years as the first lady she'll be able to supplement her current wealth with some book deals.

The brand itself is dead, at least in the US. Might still be viable some places overseas I suppose. Rename everything Kushner. ;)
 
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Belichick turned down a medal of freedom from Trump today. PGA pulled away. People aren’t going to want to go to his properties.

Basically anyone or any organization that has something to lose isn’t going to want to go near Trump. He is tainted.
 

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75 Million people voted for him. He and his family have plenty of ways to make money. Hell if they can get 10+ million to subscribe to some stream service/newsletter/social app that's a Billion plus a year. Plus he has high and powerful friends that would help him behind the scenes.

His options are limited but he won't be ruined.

I'm sure we might get another bankruptcy out of him to clear up any debt lol
 
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75 Million people voted for him. He and his family have plenty of ways to make money. Hell if they can get 10+ million to subscribe to some stream service/newsletter/social app that's a Billion plus a year. Plus he has high and powerful friends that would help him behind the scenes.

His options are limited but he won't be ruined.

I'm sure we might get another bankruptcy out of him to clear up any debt lol

He'll have to accept crypto or cash.
 
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I am curious if Trump can survive financially from this. Seems grim.

He already had very limited access to banks quite famously.

It is pretty grim as far as the future of his businesses; but we'll see about his overall finances.. he does have a high net worth, despite his debt, because he owns a ton of shit. More than enough equity to cover his debts 10 times over.
 
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75 Million people voted for him. He and his family have plenty of ways to make money. Hell if they can get 10+ million to subscribe to some stream service/newsletter/social app that's a Billion plus a year. Plus he has high and powerful friends that would help him behind the scenes.

His options are limited but he won't be ruined.

I'm sure we might get another bankruptcy out of him to clear up any debt lol
Yeah, but that was before a riot at the Capitol. That seems to be a bridge too far for a lot of people if approval ratings are to be believed.

the full weight of both government and private enterprise is being brought to bear in Trump. Soon to be legal. Trump is going to have a very hard few years.
 
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He'll have to accept crypto or cash.
I doubt every bank in the world would deny him a personal account.

He probably has personal accounts that are alive and well and not making the news would be my guess; it's just those that offered him loans that are getting the PR win, as those banks were known to be giving him said loans (whereas nobody is gonna know where his random personal accounts are.)

Can you operate in the real estate market without taking on loans? No.. his business is fucked for sure. but he'll be fine.
 
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I doubt every bank in the world would deny him a personal account.

He probably has personal accounts that are alive and well and not making the news would be my guess; it's just those that offered him loans that are getting the PR win, as those banks were known to be giving him said loans (whereas nobody is gonna know where his random personal accounts are.)

Can you operate in the real estate market without taking on loans? No.. his business is fucked for sure. but he'll be fine.

How does he accept donos though? I doubt he'd be willing to give out his ACH info to receive money. I son't see any of the normal donation sites giving him access. Shopify just abandoned him as well.

But, you did make a good point in the other post, that his assets likely make it all a moot point. He can likely live the same lifestyle for the rest of his life without issue. I don't know if he would fully self finance a new media empire though.
 
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How does he accept donos though? I doubt he'd be willing to give out his ACH info to receive money. I son't see any of the normal donation sites giving him access. Shopify just abandoned him as well.

But, you did make a good point in the other post, that his assets likely make it all a moot point. He can likely live the same lifestyle for the rest of his life without issue. I don't know if he would fully self finance a new media empire though.
What do donation sites have to do with it? Not quite sure what you are getting at. His campaign didn't get their bank account's yanked.
 

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A long haul flight from wherever you are.
Now this is the story all about how,
My life got flipped-turned upside down,
And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there,
I'll tell you how I became the fallen prince of a town called Belyov.

In Queen New York, born and raised
On the penthouse is where I spent most of my days.
Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin all cool,
And claiming a shootin' without losing some votes.

When a couple of guys who were up to no good,
Started makin' trouble for my presidency.
I started one little riot and my country got scared,
And said "You're movin' with your uncle Putin in Belyov."

I whistled for a cab, and when it came near,
The license plate said "Drumf" and it had dice in the mirror.
If anything I could say that this cab was rare,
But I thought "Nah forget it, Yo home to Belyov."

I pulled up to the house about seven or eight,
and I yelled to the cabby "Yo homes, deport you later."
Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there,
To sit on my throne as the fallen Prince of Belyov.

 

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We will have "reckonings" for previous leadership whenever Democrats take office, every time. They have proven themselves to be the party of accusations, of impeachment, of congressional investigations, of slander, of public destruction. Go their way or learn the hard way. Without their Orange Satan to pin every sin upon, they'd lose a lot of their grip on their constituents.
 
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Trump isn't going anywhere. And the institutions will come back once they realize that. Money talks.
 

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Hasn't the trump brand always been failure and bankruptcy, and being fired

What he's been know for over here
 
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Trump isn't going anywhere. And the institutions will come back once they realize that. Money talks.

Hmmmm. Not so sure those institutions - with shareholders, bottom lines, and public images to maintain on a domestic and global level - are going to flock back to a man perceived to have instigated armed rioters who beat a cop to death.
 
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Hmmmm. Not so sure those institutions - with shareholders, bottom lines, and public images to maintain on a domestic and global level - are going to flock back to a man perceived to have instigated armed rioters who beat a cop to death.
Just give Biden some time to disillusion people and those perceptions will gradually change. It's not like the current perception is that universal anyway.
 

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Just give Biden some time to disillusion people and those perceptions will gradually change. It's not like the current perception is that universal anyway.

Dude... it doesn’t matter how bad Biden is, Trump’s brand is tainted forever. If anything, distance is only going to make people’s attitudes to what happened last week worse. A cop was beaten to death by a violent bunch of thugs, whipped up by constant lies and incitement from Trump and his supporters. This isn’t a political or social gaffe we‘re talking about...
 

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Unless he ends up in jail, which I doubt it will be the case, he'll suffer some financial losses, he might even see part of his empire go bankrupt but he'll still be what he has always been: a rich NYC guy, with powerful friends and connections, part of that elite, super rich 1% he convinced his supporters he was fighting again.

He'll keep his brand where it's strong, rename where it's convenient, but people thinking he'll end up poor are sadly mistaken.
 

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What do donation sites have to do with it? Not quite sure what you are getting at. His campaign didn't get their bank account's yanked.

I'm thinking more along the lines of what happened with PornHub recently. If Trump has a platform that will accept CC payments, then it's no issue.

Are there websites like Patreon for conservatives?
 

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We will have "reckonings" for previous leadership whenever Democrats take office, every time. They have proven themselves to be the party of accusations, of impeachment, of congressional investigations, of slander, of public destruction. Go their way or learn the hard way. Without their Orange Satan to pin every sin upon, they'd lose a lot of their grip on their constituents.

W. got away unscathed 🤷‍♂️
 

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We will have "reckonings" for previous leadership whenever Democrats take office, every time. They have proven themselves to be the party of accusations, of impeachment, of congressional investigations, of slander, of public destruction. Go their way or learn the hard way. Without their Orange Satan to pin every sin upon, they'd lose a lot of their grip on their constituents.

So impeaching for blowjobs, congressional investigations into Benghazi (that ended less than a month after the election ended), constant slander of public officials by the current president.... all under republican control is now the democrats fault?

"Thanks Obama!!"
 
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W. got away unscathed 🤷‍♂️
W was very much a part of the same neolib/neocon cabal that has the country under its thumb.

So impeaching for blowjobs, congressional investigations into Benghazi (that ended less than a month after the election ended), constant slander of public officials by the current president.... all under republican control is now the democrats fault?

"Thanks Obama!!"
None of the things committed by republicans are Democrats fault.

But none of the things you listed magically erase the Democrat behavior over the past 4 years.
 
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So only certain Republicans. Got it.
W Bush wasn't a very good "Orange Satan" when Obama continued many of the same policies and practices, so there'd be little reason to go after him. But someone like Trump can continue to be the evil that causes all evils, and any other non-Democrat receives similar treatment. Heck, if you're an elected Democrat but go against their agenda they'll still call you a russian.
 
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None of the things committed by republicans are Democrats fault.

But none of the things you listed magically erase the Democrat behavior over the past 4 years.

I think the fact that people were not voting for Biden but against Trump is lost on a lot. Biden is just going to be like Jimmy Carter. He's there for one term to just reverse everything Trump did. 2024 is the real presidential race. Both parties are equally evil, for everything you said the "dems did" there is an older example of republicans doing the same and worse. It's like how there is always an older Trump tweet to contradict a current Trump tweet.

The real sheep here are the ones that believe in a two party us/versus them system. They are all corrupt and just trying to outscrew each other.
 

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W Bush wasn't a very good "Orange Satan" when Obama continued many of the same policies and practices, so there'd be little reason to go after him. But someone like Trump can continue to be the evil that causes all evils, and any other non-Democrat receives similar treatment. Heck, if you're an elected Democrat but go against their agenda they'll still call you a russian.

I think there was easily more to prosecute W with than there is today for Trump. Same for Obama. I agree it sets a dangerous precedent. But I do think saying all Dems will do this to all Repubs going forward is hyperbole.
 
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W Bush wasn't a very good "Orange Satan" when Obama continued many of the same policies and practices, so there'd be little reason to go after him. But someone like Trump can continue to be the evil that causes all evils, and any other non-Democrat receives similar treatment. Heck, if you're an elected Democrat but go against their agenda they'll still call you a russian.

Again, goes both ways. Any republican that went against Trump was automatically labeled a "RINO" including Mitch McConnell.
 

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Again, goes both ways. Any republican that went against Trump was automatically labeled a "RINO" including Mitch McConnell.

If McConnell and Thune are RINOs then I don't even know what the Republican Party is anymore.
 

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Again, goes both ways. Any republican that went against Trump was automatically labeled a "RINO" including Mitch McConnell.
I think the fact that people were not voting for Biden but against Trump is lost on a lot. Biden is just going to be like Jimmy Carter. He's there for one term to just reverse everything Trump did. 2024 is the real presidential race. Both parties are equally evil, for everything you said the "dems did" there is an older example of republicans doing the same and worse. It's like how there is always an older Trump tweet to contradict a current Trump tweet.

The real sheep here are the ones that believe in a two party us/versus them system. They are all corrupt and just trying to outscrew each other.
These strokes are too broad. And it still doesn't erase what Democrats have done for the past four years.

I'm not a Republican and the only Republican I've voted for is Trump. You seem to be indulging in the us/versus them system yourself by defaulting back to "bu bu but Republicans" when my comment is about how Democrats have acted during Trump's last four years. I don't expect the behavior to stop because Democrats continue to do what you are doing: shuffle the attention and the blame away from the Democrats, even if it means defaulting to pleas of Both Sides.
I think there was easily more to prosecute W with than there is today for Trump. Same for Obama. I agree it sets a dangerous precedent. But I do think saying all Dems will do this to all Repubs going forward is hyperbole.
I don't think the Democrat party will last much longer, but yeah I do think they'll continue doing prosecuting and browbeating until the party burns out / undergoes a major reform. I don't think it's hyperbole when I consider what they've done for the last 4 years. For instance, investigating the president based on a false campaign document that they wrote.

Republicans are terrible at browbeating, which is why they had to give up the tactic. They can't browbeat their own constituents to "vote for Jesus" to the same degree they could in the past so new tactics have evolved. Democrat constituents are still happy to be told "you ain't black".
 
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I don't think the Democrat party will last much longer, but yeah I do think they'll continue doing prosecuting and browbeating until the party burns out / undergoes a major reform. I don't think it's hyperbole when I consider what they've done for the last 4 years. For instance, investigating the president based on a false campaign document that they wrote.

Republicans are terrible at browbeating, which is why they had to give up the tactic. They can't browbeat their own constituents to "vote for Jesus" to the same degree they could in the past so new tactics have evolved. Democrat constituents are still happy to be told "you ain't black".

I think both parties are on life support. If they don't evolve with the times, they will continue to use their power & energy to solely making the other party look bad, they will cease to be. I have the same level of disdain for both parties equally.

Now is a great time for the Republicans to rebrand. The Dems would need to shortly follow. I could easily see the creation of a viable 3rd or 4th party, given the divisions in both.
 
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What's a nice retirement life worth if you're nothing but a loser? You're ascribing to Trump a motivation he does not have. He cares ONLY about winning and adulation
Funny because he conceded anyways...
Again, goes both ways. Any republican that went against Trump was automatically labeled a "RINO" including Mitch McConnell.
Which is so delusional it’s hilarious cause it should be the opposite lol...
 
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