I’m going to go out on a limb here and he say you have absolutely no idea about the impact of illegal immigration in the United States. You seem to have no idea how badly we need young people in the United States to offset an aging population. How desperately we need tax revenue and insurance money from a young healthy Americans. I’d be willing to bet you know nothing about the declining birthrate of the current population.
none of this true. America's birthrate is fine, and we allow in over a million legal immigrants per year. We don't "need" illegal immigration at all. America has a labor surplus. Not a shortage
Oh sorry I did not know that it was not a troll post! If you want to play these stupid games I can too, we have real issues with kids dying! not being put in care facilities and given food. Surely if you care about children of the world you would have been posting and making a lot of noise on the subject of kids atually dying right.So what you’re saying is, not only did you not read the article, you didn’t read any of the posts in this thread. Awesome
Heres the thing, what do we do with these people? These kids?
Our own Americans who are impoverished are barely getting by with what limited government assistance we have.
Single mothers, families, are own waiting list for years for housing.
American kids in the "system" are more then our social workers can even keep track of.
American kids barely have enough money in schools for good books, teachers have 30 kids in a class.
So what do we do? We just open the flood gates?
Let's get this straight...
America is great, its AMAZING...But we DONT have a never ending wallet to feed, clothe, house, and educate every immigrant from a poor country.
Facts > Feelings.
I'd LOVE, LOVE an option on tax forms/W-2's for every EVERY "Let them in freely!" bleeding heart
"I as a person supporting free flowing immigration allot $100 per-week ($5200 a year) from my salary as well as agree to house a family for 3-5 years."
That's it. You want them, your heart is big enough to look past the facts...then YOU pay for them and YOU house them.
They took a chance, knew the rules, new are government for the last 16 months has publicly said "Turn around" and they said fuck it.
USCIS is responsible for overseeing the nation’s legal immigration system, which includes adjudicating asylum claims. The agency currently faces a crisis-level backlog of 311,000 pending asylum cases as of Jan. 21, 2018, making the asylum system increasingly vulnerable to fraud and abuse. This backlog has grown by more than 1750 percent over the last five years, and the rate of new asylum applications has more than tripled.
I voted for Trump. One of the things I like about him is his hard stance on border protection. I believe border security is very important.
I do not agree with the taking of children from their parents when their parents are asylum seekers. They are not breaking a law in these situations. It is done to stop people from flooding into a system we can't process fast enough due to the amount of people. Surely they can come up with a better solution then seperating families.
that most experts say is a giant waste of money
If you break the law your subject to prosecution. What happens to legit Americans when they commit a crime and have children? The kids go into the system.
How are we supposed to put kids into a system who arent American?
It's just a makeshift foster home/orphanage.
Dont want camps...stop breaking the law.
Yeah me and my brother were arguing over this and he was like you should never threaten to separate families and we as America should be better than this but I kind of felt when you break certain laws you can lose your kids even when your a legal citizen so why do illegal immigrants get a free pass. I'm aware that this is a simple but cold view on a rather complex issue with immense ramifications to the family's life.
They are ilegally entering the country so yes they are breaking the law. You can aslo seek asylum in your country. Here is the thing. You can not just make exceptions for families because this would send a message that they can come here with no problems. The same issue is Europe facing. With the way to lax rules and decisions you made the way free for mass immigration. Because of this families will now think twice trying to pass the border. You have to be strict here no matter what.So asylum seekers are law breakers?
Put yourself in their shoes. You and your family are seeking asylum due to whatever (let’s say Obama and the deep state has commissioned thugs to harm you and your family). You flee to Canada seeking asylum, your kids (including an infant) are shipped to a tent city and you may never see them again. Your kids have no idea what’s going on.
You see that as right and what you would expect to happen?
When people seek asylum they show up at the border, fill out paperwork and wait for their case to be heard. Nothing illegal is happening in these situations. Laws are not broken. What is new is that their kids are being taken and held elsewhere while these people are waiting for their case to be heard.
If a person comes across illegally once it is considered a misdemeanor. Not something worthy of taking a child away from a parent over.
If a person comes across illegally more the once it is considered a felony, which would lead to a child being taken from a parent while the case is processed - simliar to how things would occur for an American citizen.
You've lost me but I'm okay with everything you've said. I would say agree but I'm not knowledgeable on the three country entry options.
They are ilegally entering the country so yes they are breaking the law. You can aslo seek asylum in your country. Here is the thing. You can not just make exceptions for families because this would send a message that they can come here with no problems. The same issue is Europe facing. With the way to lax rules and decisions you made the way free for mass immigration. Because of this families will now think twice trying to pass the border. You have to be strict here no matter what.
If they are doing this in the USA you have already tresspassed and broken the law. If you do it before and do not enter before than its not agaionst the law.
None of that proves we need illegal immigration. Like I stated earlier, America allows in a million legal immigrants per year. Also your concern over our birthrate is laughable. A one year blip means we now have to open our borders? Stop this nonsense.
Claiming asylum isn't a guaranteed entry ticket into the country, and sneaking into the country, getting caught and then claiming asylum isn't exactly legal either.No laws are being broken by seeking asylum. Period.
IF you do it OUTSIDE of the country yes if you do it IN the country you have broken the law. Its pretty easy to understand.lol
No laws are being broken by seeking asylum. Period.
The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside his or her country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.
When you need to listen to an expert to understand common sense you have failed. Why do you Americas want public healthcare like Europe and free university education yet do not think that every other countries border controls are legit! Its hilarious - you need to read an expert opinion to understand what a wall does! You probably needed expert opinion to tell you Hilary will win the election when every Trump rally was packed and hers were empty! I learnt a long time ago that common sense was not that common, you school systems have failed you heavily.
IF you do it OUTSIDE of the country yes if you do it IN the country you have broken the law. Its pretty easy to understand.
but it also seems the current administration is taking on a harder stance aganist asylum seekers and not just those who enter illegally. imo that is .What you quoted describes what an asylum seeker is, not the legality of it (other than the obligation the US has, in this case).
Coming into the country illegally and then asking for asylum when caught, is obviously illegal.
Presenting yourself at an official port of entry (like a border crossing) and seeking asylum as you enter is not illegal. It’s literally following our official policies.
The Trump administration continues its no-holds-barred attack on asylum seekers.
This week, US Attorney General Jeff Sessions raised the bar to make asylum nearly impossible for people fleeing domestic abuse and gang violence who cannot be protected in their home countries. His decision undoes established US precedent and goes against international law, which clearly recognizes people fleeing persecution by groups or individuals as refugees when their governments fail to protect them.
Because of the nature of the US immigration and asylum system, the attorney general, as head of the Department of Justice, has the power to unilaterally change decisions made by the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA), the appellate body for immigration cases.
Now, the attorney general has used this power to overrule the BIA’s decision in a seminal 2014 case which had allowed domestic violence survivors whose governments didn’t protect them – and who were otherwise qualified – to receive asylum in the United States. Sessions’s order directs an immigration judge to deny a case called Matter of A-B-, and in doing so, overruled a 2014 decision called Matter of A-R-C-G-.
but it also seems the current administration is taking on a harder stance aganist asylum seekers and not just those who enter illegally. imo that is .
Right. That’s what people are saying is inhumane and indefensible.
So speaking out is having an effect? LOL
You think you are resisting some system of oppression by posting how you don't like it on an internet forum? Why don't you do something good?
If these laws were so heinous, why weren't they touched during the last 8-year administration?
Got any more pictures from 2014 of "children left at the border by Trump"?
Meanwhile, American children still suffer in impoverished cities. Where are the helping hands from our Holy Knights of Liberalism from New York or California when it comes to Flint and Chicago and Detroit?
Don't just spout some simpleton caveman logic like "hurr durr build a wall cus it stops things." That's how you end up wasting stupid amounts of money.
This is how society has worked since like...forever. Generally, you want to listen to people who are experts in their subject matter because they can prevent you from making mistakes they have made. Or, they might have some insights into solving an unrelated problem that you might find useful. But somehow, we've gotten to the point that listening to experts is a bad thing?
STOP. THAT. DUMB. SHIT.
This is a clusterfuck in the making if not already all self-inflicted by this administration. It's not moral, unethical and not American do take kids away and put them in cages, let them eat off the floor, etc. This did not need to happen.
The statue of liberty is probably hiding its face right now as we are no longer the beacon of light for rest of the world.
Lets not waste money by allowing unlimited people to come and then have to process them - are you being completely trolling by saying that you think illegal immigration is free and does not cost the country BILLIONS! If you cant work that out there is no point continuing to more advances issues.
There's no need to worry about pepole defending this, they are the loyalists.
Only 55% of Republicans support all this, the rest do not, and the vast majority of Democrats and moderates do not support this.
That's still a lot of people supporting this, but the other side wins the popularity contest by far, and Republicans will start backing away from it.