Cute, but you're misreading your own graph. The graph states 30% of the dutch population is overweight, while 10% is Obese. In the US it's more than 40% Obese, with another 35% being overweight. This is a huge difference.
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Obesity among US adults reaches all-time high, 40% of adults and 19% of kids
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Cute, but you're misreading your own graph. The graph states 30% of the dutch population is overweight, while 10% is Obese. In the US it's more than 40% Obese, with another 35% being overweight. This is a huge difference.
texhnolyze
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I'm aware of that.
I'm just merely asking about the regular portion of food that average people order at McDonalds over there.
Zoe
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Latvian Hitman
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Here's what a regular person in my country would order for lunch/dinner at McDonalds.
How bad is it in the US?
Lol.
highrider
Banned
Cooking doesnt take a lot of time, and leftovers dont have to be gross you just need to know what works as reheated food and what doesnt. I like making stews and soups, pot roast, all great as leftovers.
Im just judging by the quality of food I eat at most social dinners. Its pretty low quality despite good ingredients, and the person cooking it is overwhelmed and the kitchen looks like a bomb went off. On the flip most simple family dinners in America are trash. Im genuinely shocked when I see someone who is competent in the kitchen that isnt professional. I felt like my parents generation could generally cook well.
This just shows the problem. Even as a teen when I had super fast metabolism and played sports I was eating 2 big mac, 6 piece chicken nuggets and a large coke as a meal after hockey etc. But once university started, sports stopped, a more partying and sedentary lifestyle took hold I had massive weight gain. I was also addicted to caffeine and was drinking 2 litres of pop, drinking whipped cream and sugar laden lattes, red bulls etc. Took a solid 6 months of only water to break caffeine hold, help stabilize diet. Liquid calories are the worst. Think of how many people drink beers daily. Or have pop or sodas with dinner. How many drink a 400 calorie coffee drink from starbucks when if they need caffeine can take a pill or drink green tea with no sugar for their energy jolt.
People drive to work, sit in a chair, take escalators or elevators, don't walk outside or go to gym, don't do any physical exercise. Sedentsry lifestyle, large portions almost half daily calorie requirements, heavily processed foods full of chemicals etc. It all adds up.
I guess I should have said added sugars.
BobTheFork
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For me it was easy. I just got so fucking pissed off that I was about to start swinging on people....and I took up Yoga instead.
Honestly, I only seem to accomplish anything when I get mad.
Honestly, I only seem to accomplish anything when I get mad.
I have pretty much figured out what to do to never be a fat fuck. Something crazy would have to happen to me for that to spiral out of control. And it won't be depression because that just kills my appetite.
Blood sugar levels and colon/heart health who knows. But I will probably be thin when they bury me.
Blood sugar levels and colon/heart health who knows. But I will probably be thin when they bury me.
PuppetSlave
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Me. I get plenty of fluids through my food. (and coffee)
I drink an glass of water if I am thirsty, which is not every day.
But the whole drinking huge amounts of water every day was an very popular myth.
Drink if you are thirsty but don't do it in excess because then you will piss away minerals and other stuff wastefully.
God Dayumm
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Coffee is mostly water but it still dehydrates you. This is like saying you can drink saltwater for sustenance. And you don't piss away minerals if you have functioning kidneys, where did you read this fatlogic? The amount of water at which it becomes toxic is way past 2 gallons
PsychoSoldier
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While there is absolutely an aspect of personal responsibility involved here, when people are surrounded by awful choices it's not a surprise that more often than not they make a bad choice nutritionally. I mean, I keep almonds at my desk most of the time but when there are donuts at the table that sits 5 feet away from my desk it's not a surprise that occasionally I go get them.
It's not so bad for me because I consciously don't keep junk food in my house but I know people are surrounded by it all the time. And I can cook and don't eat out that much. But I still have to fight with my weight because occasionally indulge in the sugar that's always in the breakroom. Or I have an awful day and decide to buy ice cream or go get a big greasy cheeseburger.
So I can only imagine how hard it is for people who can't or don't have the time to cook or are surrounded by junk food or don't have access to healthy food where they live.
And, like the system is just rigged against some people. My wife is obese but before she got hurt did yoga and strenuous exercise almost every day, stuck to a pretty strict diet while working 8-10 hour days, managed to lose about 30 pounds after like six months. After a a few stressful months of having a wedding, moving into a house, changing job responsibilities and all that entails she gained like half of it back. Shit can be hard, and dismissively saying "Just eat better" underestimates how complicated and difficult that can be, and how little effect it can ultimately have.
It's not so bad for me because I consciously don't keep junk food in my house but I know people are surrounded by it all the time. And I can cook and don't eat out that much. But I still have to fight with my weight because occasionally indulge in the sugar that's always in the breakroom. Or I have an awful day and decide to buy ice cream or go get a big greasy cheeseburger.
So I can only imagine how hard it is for people who can't or don't have the time to cook or are surrounded by junk food or don't have access to healthy food where they live.
And, like the system is just rigged against some people. My wife is obese but before she got hurt did yoga and strenuous exercise almost every day, stuck to a pretty strict diet while working 8-10 hour days, managed to lose about 30 pounds after like six months. After a a few stressful months of having a wedding, moving into a house, changing job responsibilities and all that entails she gained like half of it back. Shit can be hard, and dismissively saying "Just eat better" underestimates how complicated and difficult that can be, and how little effect it can ultimately have.
OmegaTreeFish
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To be fair 'facts' like "Coffee is mostly water but it still dehydrates you" are also not really true.
If you drink nothing but tea or coffee you can still stay hydrated. I wouldnt recommend it for other reasons (well coffee anyway) but you dont get dehydrated drinking it. Same with booze.
You just need to stay hydrated. Water is best but you can drink other stuff too.
Is your piss brown?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It's amazing how people worry about trivial stuff like this instead of the much bigger issues with what we put inside ourselves.
That's awful, I know we're not the only country to have problems with obesity, but I wish I knew exactly why it's such an issue here.
I had some dumbass libertarian argue with me that universal healthcare wouldn't work here because our country is too unhealthy. Starting to wonder if it's true.
I had some dumbass libertarian argue with me that universal healthcare wouldn't work here because our country is too unhealthy. Starting to wonder if it's true.
ShadowKingpin
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I changed my eating habits completely. No more bread, cereal, pop, etc. Cut most red meat and a lot of dairy. I only have been eating chicken, fish & vegetables with some occasional pasta. I eat in portion sizes and won't eat after 8pm. I went from 280lbs down to 220 as of recent. Best decision ever made.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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I don't know if it's just my social circle or class status but it seems like I see less obese people than I used to, not more. Like I'm kind of shocked that it's gone up so much and not just stayed flat. I think it goes to show that healthcare and healthy living is a luxury item in this country and that's sad and wrong.
Even the UK has had to cut back on services through the NHS for obesity or smoking related issues since they are preventable. The cost of obesity and obesity related issues will be in the hundreds of billions to trillions if thr majority of Americans become obese with no signs of a decrease. Trump even reversed Michelle Obama's school policies meant to help with childhood obesity. Imagine if there was universal healthcare, what the cost of 200 million+ Americans with hormone issues, depression, joint and back problems, diabetes type 2 medications and surgeries like foot amputations would cost.
This is the single greatest health issue in the US and no one is really acknowledging it. No one is bringing up the fact the current US President is the 3rd fattest President of all time right now. Team sports participation is at an all time low for children. If obesity really kicked off post 1980's, then we are going to start to see 20 and 30 and 40 year olds who are obese and growing each year stsrt to suffer the effects we don't see when they are 15 or 25. Cardiac arrests and strokes, arthritis and pain meds, statins and blood thinners for cholesterol, etc.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/0812982193/?tag=neogaf0e-20
This book got me into cooking all of my meals from scratch. Every single meal. Highly recommended.
If you're worried about the NRA and their influence, consider how much bigger the various food industry lobbies are. The food industry will play you like a fool and take all of your money until you're dead and can't do shit about it. Learn about them and take control of your life.
LegendofDragoonLives
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That's insanely unhealthy lol
Slightly off topic.. I tried Red Lobster for the first time this summer, and dear God were the burgers absolutely incredible. Haven't had good burger like it in Canada in years.
CornBurrito
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No it doesn't. But people perceive it as taking a lot of time. They get home from work and are hungry. Their kids are hungry.
DiipuSurotu
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IMO cooking should be taught in school (personal finance also).
Queen Vulpix
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Back when I was in High school (2005-2009) my school actually had a couple classes on both, a nutrition/how to cook class as well as finances and banking/business classes among others. Sadly starting my sophomore year there were budget cuts and those classes were the very first ones cut along with the entire department.
Both are covered in Home Economics, an elective in almost all high schools. Many high schools also offer a personal finance course as well.
Most Americans know how to cook when asked, that ain't the problem.
People are acknowledging it there are just no great answers in dealing with it.
Well the healthcare experts are.
But it's true, people really don't acknowledge things unless they're directly affected by them.
If we were to delve a bit into the world of psychology, we should be talking about the idea of personal invincibility, or optimism bias. In short we tend to think bad things happen to everyone else but me. This occurs in all of us in different degrees and it easily makes us believe this doesn't concern me, so I don't have to worry about it.
Steering a bit the other way, this bias also has a flip side, we tend to think we're in control - a good example of this is that vast majority of drivers think they're better than average drivers, and it's the others who are bad that get into accidents. But the implication is that you have to be in control, which can lead to bad thinking. It's basically like when smokers say "I'm in control, I can quit anytime I want." The more you think you're in control the stronger your belief in personal invincibility.
This has implications in our personal dietary habits. Many people think they're in control of what they eat or how they go about their lives. And if you think you're in control, you really don't listen if people say you're not. When affected by this bias, you are not very perceptive towards criticism. Which is a bit of a problem.
ShadowKingpin
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/0812982193/?tag=neogaf0e-20
This book got me into cooking all of my meals from scratch. Every single meal. Highly recommended.
If you're worried about the NRA and their influence, consider how much bigger the various food industry lobbies are. The food industry will play you like a fool and take all of your money until you're dead and can't do shit about it. Learn about them and take control of your life.
Yep. I cut fast food completely a long while ago and it was the best decision ever made. I cook huge meals constantly for leftovers and whatnot.
mckmas8808
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BRUH! Truest thing ever said.
lol I don't get how people can enjoy salads that literally drown all their shit in dressing. Sometimes at restaurants they go overboard and it tastes like a tangy ass soup with shriveled up greens and it's the grossest thing ever.
On another note, ranch is disgusting both as a dressing and a dip.
On another note, ranch is disgusting both as a dressing and a dip.
water is Extremely cheap. i drink it from tap every day. very cheap.
Reptars Revenge
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Buy the gallon jugs
This is false.
This is false.
You're not helping him but spreading this Low Carb-movement bullshit that has been going around for ages now.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I'll clear it up for you.
Philip Morris's internal motto was "our product is doubt". You might know Philip Morris now as Altria, the global corporation that owns Kraft and Nabisco. That's right: Our food industry in 2017 is run by the same industries and people as the cigarette industry in the mid-1900s. This doubt you feel about making your own choices is intentional. They will continue making you feel like your poor choices are actually the right ones as they take all of your money and health.
The dairy, egg, and meat industries pay for pretty much any study that gives them the headlines in the media that makes people think continuing to eat that shit is actually healthy. The food lobbies are bigger than any other political lobby entity out there any of us typically worries about (NRA, etc), and we should stop supporting them with our money.
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Deleted member 17706
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What in the world do you have against dairy, eggs, and meat? Is this some vegan craziness?
Vicetrailia
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It seems like things ate so bad now that you're only option is self discipline.
Are you trying to say that is why we have an obesity epidemic because the answer is much, much more complicated than that.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The industries are killing us, animals, and the planet for capitalist motives.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock's_Long_Shadow
http://who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
I see a lot of people in this thread and many others mistaking sugar as the primary problem... how much sugar is anyone really eating these days? Bottled water sells more now. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bottled-water-sales-outpace-soda-for-the-first-time/
Beardz
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Next time you go shopping, look at the labels and see how much sugar anything has.
I don't know what that has to do with anything. Are you claiming research papers from New England Journal of Medicine caused that? It's some kind of conspiracy?
CornBurrito
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Veganism isn't crazy.
Animal agriculture is destroying the environment, much faster than if most people dropped meat to even just once a week.
Going vegan is the most significant thing an individual human can do to combat climate change.
Beardz
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People still believe that fat make you fat, that having "light" on the labels means something, that eggs are bad for your cholesterol levels, that exercise is going to make you thin, etc.
So yeah, people still believe ancient wrong stuff.
Btw, this sugar "conspiracy" is real and well documented.
No it isn't, sugar has calories. Calories make you fat that's hardly a revelation even though the anti carb brigade will tell you it is. There are a lot of factors at play.
You still have not proven any link to your research paper. Too much sugar being bad for you is not some new concept. Health professionals have been telling people too much sugar is bad. When someone is diabetic they don't tell them to eat more sugar because some research from the 60's claimed it was okay.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yep.
God Dayumm
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You don't have to be anti-carb to realize that there is a sugar lobby who pays for studies and advertisement that promote sugar consumption. Many people still believe in the falsehoods spread by those studies decades ago
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Are you sure you're not the one believing dated myths? The bolded is egg industry bullshit. They have to justify their continued existence.
https://nutritionfacts.org/2016/04/28/egg-consumption-and-ldl-cholesterol-size/
The thing is that simple sugars directly lead to obesity in a fashion that fats and carbs do not. I mean, it's pretty clearly laid out in the video how the metabolic pathway heavily exacerbates the issue when simple sugars are involved (yes, I am aware it is a really long video - but it's well worth watching, IMO).
It's not just calories. It's a fact that sugars are the absolute worst calories one can consume when it comes to excessive weight gain.
It's not just calories. It's a fact that sugars are the absolute worst calories one can consume when it comes to excessive weight gain.
What do they believe that the sugar lobby has drilled into them?