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Obsidian hit with layoffs

Obsidian has laid off six employees and three interns, according to the Obsidian official forums which cites Twitter and Linkedin:

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=57290&view=findpost&p=1109378
Akil Hooper (producer/designer at OEI)
"11 years, nearly a dozen shipped titles, Designer, Lead, Producer. 1 cancelled game, survived 7 layoffs, 8th got me. Not a bad track record."

Jason Fader (producer)
"*sigh*"

Justin Reynard (programmer)
"Today marks my 3 year anniversary working at Obsidian Entertainment. To my coworkers (and sadly the ones we've lost) you guys are amazing.<3"

Ashley Betters (QA tester)
"No longer work at Obsidian. I guess this means I will have to start buying my own pens."

According to LI, producer Tess Treadwell and designer Sydney Wolfram (and three interns) seem to be got laid off too.


Update 1 - An Obsidian employee chimes in:

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=57290&st=15&p=1109998&#entry1109998



Update 2 - Chris Avellone writes recommendations on Linkedin for some of those laid off. Appears to be several people who were working with him on Fallout New Vegas DLC:

http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=57290
Joe Sanabria
Art Director at Obsidian Entertainment

I worked with Joe Sanabria while he was Art Director on Fallout New Vegas and on all the Fallout DLCs, and during that time, it's a testament to Joe's ability that I never had to worry about the art pipeline for the project, it was always being handled and handled well. Joe kept his team informed, established a consistent tone and direction, provided feedback both personally with his artists and in paintovers if he felt a paintover would be easier to work from, and he also took care to give visual theme presentations of the artistic goals for each DLC with key props, weather systems, color palettes, and character designs (usually coupled with extensive reference photos and art he had gathered from his library and his own research). Also, Joe just doesn't stop... he loves the craft. He's always got a sketchbook in hand, drafting concepts for vistas and characters, and often spends his off-hours drawing for the sake of the project, then bring the images in the next day to show how to take an area, cinematic, or vista shot in a cool direction. Joe was a leader - he wasn't just someone who provided feedback, he actively encouraged folks to take initiative with their tasks, take responsibility, and also worked hard to improve the art community at Obsidian. When someone shined, Joe was always there to let the owners and production know of someone going beyond the call of duty and specifically called out the positive contributions they'd made to the project. He took critiques well, stuck to his guns when he felt he was right (and was), and never once did I feel Joe was not receptive to a suggestion or critique without weighing it and respecting the person's opinion. Working with Joe was a positive experience, and I learned a great deal from his approach, both in the creative and managerial sense. He cares about what he's working on, he cares about the company he works for, and most importantly, he cares about the team he's a part of. He can not only speak confidently and strongly on a game's theme and direction, he is able to create the vision for a project and work hard to bring it to completion. I'd gladly work with Joe again, and I feel he's a strong leader and an asset to whatever team he becomes a part of. April 22, 2011

Sydney Wolfram
Jr Designer at Obsidian Entertainment

I worked with Sydney Wolfram on Fallout New Vegas and the Fallout DLCs. Obsidian initially hired Sydney to assist with the technical aspects of world building for Fallout, she exceeded our expectations for the position and moved quickly into a full time world and level building role. Not only did she flesh out many areas of the Mojave wasteland in New Vegas, she also designed a number of praised levels for the title as well, including a number (Vault 34) have been frequently cited as being a much-needed challenge for hardcore players. There's a lot to recommend about Sydney's drive and the way she tackle problems - she can't abide bugs in her area, and the way she systematically killed bugs and addressed feedback in her area was rapid and thorough. Sydney also helped us with appraising future world designer candidates for Fallout, helped mentor them on best editor practices, and in addition, she put in many long hours across the Fallout titles to make the design shine. It wouldn't be unusual to make a request of Sydney, ask her to appraise the idea to see if she had time to tackle it, then come in to discover the next day that it was in the build, done, and fun. Lastly, while future Fallout releases will prove the strengths of this, Sydney had the extremely challenging task of designing almost an entire world zone for Fallout on her own, measuring its performance, gameplay pacing, and making it fun and engaging for the player, and by my count, she succeeded. The moment you step into the DLC in question, you'll see everything she brought to life in one huge vista shot, and to this day, I feel it's one of the most amazing shots I've seen in a Fallout title to date. I believe Sydney has a lot to offer any development team, and if the opportunity presented itself, I would work with her again in a heartbeat. April 21, 2011

Theresa Kanae Treadwell
Associate Producer at Obsidian Entertainment

I worked with Tess on Fallout: New Vegas, she was helping to head up production on the title and track art and design across the many areas in the game. There's a number of strengths that Tess brings to the table in her role as producer, and I'll list a few of them: One, energy - if you point Tess at a problem, she'll attack it relentlessly until it's dead. Two, her willingness to put in the hours necessary to make the game shine - there were many nights on Fallout New Vegas where Tess would stay late, much later than others, to insure that work was done and the game was in good shape for submission and QA. Lastly, Tess routinely went outside of her production roles and looked for other ways to help the company by playing our titles, offering feedback, and solutions for how to address art, level, and gameplay flow in all the titles she played. It became customary in the projects that we'd have a "Tess phase" where we'd ask her to stomp up and down on a build to help with critical feedback as well as her gamer feedback on a title. I can't speak enough to Tess's energy, her passion for her job, and her willingness to work hard to make a title (and all a company's titles) shine. I think for any studio looking for game design or production assistance, she's someone that can bring a lot to the table, and she's proved it repeatedly over the years. April 21, 2011

Jessica Johnson
Jr Designer at Obsidian Entertainment

Jessica worked at Obsidian as a level designer on Fallout New Vegas and again as level designer on the run of the Fallout New Vegas DLCs. We hired her from a pool of applicants as her test stood out as showcasing a fresh take on a sample Fallout level coupled with interesting quest design and a visually compelling design layout. She proved herself further once she became a level designer at Obsidian - she helped flesh out the Sierra Madre casino for FNV DLC1: Dead Money, and also created a number of cool quest areas for the future DLCs as well (tba). Among our designers, artists, and QA, Jessica was cited as especially easy to work with, and she had a natural ability to work with the environment artists to create visually stunning levels. In addition, Jessica is modest and low-key about her own accomplisments, but her contributions to design and the larger themes for the DLCs speak for themselves. Even seemingly minor hooks and character references provided good fuel for tying into larger narrative hooks for the DLC, and the DLC narratives benefited a great deal from the quest seeds she placed in her area. In upcoming DLCs, Jessica had a great deal of involvement in the formation of character personalities, end slides, and other cool adventure hooks that wouldn't have been present without her involvement, and the DLCs would have been weaker without her design skills. It's worth noting that Jessica also took on a number of what could only be described as "heavy lifting" for much of New Vegas. She spent a great deal of time fleshing out the technical design elements for New Vegas, and during this period, not once did she complain, she simply tackled every task in turn thoroughly, quickly, and efficiently. She proved herself able to be relied on not just for design flow and aesthetics, but she didn't shy away from the more difficult routine tasks either, which is one of the qualities of a hard-working, dedicated designer. Furthermore, she was able to take what she had learned and use that to help evaluate future applicants and provide valuable critiques as to what skill sets were necessary for expanding the scope of technical design at the company. Jessica is a modest, hard-working, and skilled level designer, and she's an asset to any company she chooses to work with. Not only would I recommend her work and work ethic, I would work with her again if the opportunity presented itself.
 

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Aw, shit.

This isn't good that this is happening BEFORE DS3 comes out.

I don't want Obsidian to die.
 

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What are they working on right now anyways? I though New Vegas sold very well and even Alpha Protocol I thought did alright despite average reviews.
 
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No justice.

I hope there's enough left to keep it alive long enough for a large project to allow them to hire as many back on as they can.

Say what you will about their games being rough around the edges, they are one of the few unique voices in terms of experimenting with videogame writing. The games industry is significantly worse off if their influence is silenced.
 
Seda said:
What are they working on right now anyways? I though New Vegas sold very well and even Alpha Protocol I thought did alright despite average reviews.
Alpha Protocol super bombed and it seems that ZeniMax has no interest in working with Obsidian again after New Vegas, since most of that team's staff (including the senior staff) went on to a new XBLA/PSN/PC downloadable IP.
 
I am sad to hear about the people losing their jobs.

I wonder if this is a sign of restructuring at Obsidian? I've thought for a while that they might need to pull back from being a major player and focus on more moderately sized games. That, and bring in more tech people and less ambitious goals. Their writing would be just as good in a non-AAA title, and less room for jank.
 

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I wonder what prompted this? Did a publisher cancel one of their projects perhaps?
 

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Nirolak said:
Alpha Protocol super bombed and it seems that ZeniMax had no interest in working with Obsidian again after New Vegas, since most of that team's staff (including the senior staff) went on to a new XBLA/PSN/PC downloadable IP.

Damn shame.

We will always have NV :(
 

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Traumahound said:
That sucks. I thought they were doing ok since they seemed to have a ton of projects on the go the past couple years.

That is never a good indicator.

Example: GRIN
 

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Obsidian will suffer the same fate as Troika, and Red Studio will be the last bastion of true WRPGs.

I have forseen it.
 

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EatChildren said:
Obsidian will suffer the same fate as Troika, and Red Studio will be the last bastion of true WRPGs.

I have forseen it.

Bioware will save us!

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:lol
:(
 
miladesn said:
I was checking linkedin profiles and these seem to be from Fallout New Vegas and DLC team
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jsanabria
http://linkd.in/fGxAvR

there is more on Obisidian forum, there is an unannounced project listed for one of them, maybe they canned something, and DS3 is finished too.
EatChildren said:
Obsidian will suffer the same fate as Troika, and Red Studio will be the last bastion of true WRPGs.

I have forseen it.
Yeah, this isn't looking good.

Patryn said:
Wonder if Zenimax felt burned by the buggy initial state of New Vegas?
I think the kind of innovation they like (better mainstream attraction) is not the kind of innovation Obsidian offers.

I mean, New Vegas was designed around hardcore mode, which is kind of the opposite of the Bethesda way.
 

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Obsidian should die. Then either let another, decent, company take the good devs(Bethesda?). Or let the good devs form a new studio and build from there with the skill to create a good RPG, and the new devs to make it run well, look nice and be bug free.
 
Darklord said:
Obsidian should die. Then either let another, decent, company take the good devs(Bethesda?). Or let the good devs form a new studio and build from there with the skill to create a good RPG, and the new devs to make it run well, look nice and be bug free.
The last time an Obsidian staffer (a major writer) went to Bethesda, they quit and went back to Obsidian after about two weeks, so I'm not sure their cultures match so well.
 

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Sad news, hope everybody lands on their feet or is able to get a new job soon.

Maybe they should form a new studio and become LucasArts' go-to RPG developer?
 

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Why? Bethesda isn't exactly the king of polish.

Yes, but NV was unquestionably more buggy than even FO3. Even worse, NV's bugs caused a lot of people to paint all of Bethesda as bad with bugs.

I'm saying this as a person who loves Obsidian.

FunkyPajamas said:
Sad news, hope everybody lands on their feet or is able to get a new job soon.

Maybe they should form a new studio and become LucasArts' go-to RPG developer?

After KOTOR2, I think LucasArts is the last company they want to deal with again.
 

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According to a tweet from Akil Hooper a producer and designer who has been at the firm 11 years survived seven different round of lay-offs, but sadly not the eighth: ” 11 years, nearly a dozen shipped titles, Designer, Lead, Producer. 1 canceled game, survived 7 layoffs, 8th got me. Not a bad track record.”
Huh? Is this counting time with Black Isle?

Anyway this is not entirely unsurprising but absolutely horrible. <3 Obsidian, warts and all.
 

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Nirolak said:
The last time an Obsidian staffer (a major writer) went to Bethesda, they quit and went back to Obsidian after about two weeks, so I'm not sure their cultures match so well.

I'd have said Bioware but recently they've...changed. Excuse, after excuse is a bad sigh. Maybe form a new studio would be best then.
 

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Yes, but NV was unquestionably more buggy than even FO3. Even worse, NV's bugs caused a lot of people to paint all of Bethesda as bad with bugs.

I'm saying this as a person who loves Obsidian.



After KOTOR2, I think LucasArts is the last company they want to deal with again.

It's funny people say that because I easily had way more bugs with Fallout 3 than New Vegas.

Oh well, this is sad news. It's a shame we're not getting a new Fallout from these guys.
 

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Nirolak said:
it seems that ZeniMax has no interest in working with Obsidian again after New Vegas, since most of that team's staff (including the senior staff) went on to a new XBLA/PSN/PC downloadable IP.

not sure how you came to this conclusion. I just don't see logic.
 

FrankT

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Hate to hear this. Really do. Release all the NV DLC as I want to give you my monies.
 

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To be completely honest I'm surprised it took this long... still, sad, sad news.
 

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I thought New Vegas sold very well?

Me too. Didn't Obsidian get a sizable chunk of that money?

Also

Obsidian should die. Then either let another, decent, company take the good devs(Bethesda?). Or let the good devs form a new studio and build from there with the skill to create a good RPG, and the new devs to make it run well, look nice and be bug free.

No. Obsidian is one of the last truly good rpg makers. If they die we 'll be left with bioware(which is going downhill for the last few years quality wise ) , Bethesda (which can't write a story to save their life), and a bunch for eastern european devs(which may be good but they can't put out sufficient volume for the entire genre).
 
subversus said:
not sure how you came to this conclusion. I just don't see logic.
Well, for multiple reasons.

The project lead is working on a new XBLA/PSN game for Obsidian.

Other lead staffers (such as the lead narrative designer) have left to other studios.

And now a lot of these layoffs are from the New Vegas team.

This doesn't happen when you have a new game going into production. At least someone (usually the senior staff) has to be prototyping it.
 

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After KOTOR2, I think LucasArts is the last company they want to deal with again.

Take work from LA or go bust? I think they would be happy to get a big project from LA over having to fire more people or close down.
 

subversus

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Nirolak said:
The last time an Obsidian staffer (a major writer) went to Bethesda, they quit and went back to Obsidian after about two weeks, so I'm not sure their cultures match so well.
wow, who was it?
 

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Vlodril said:
No. Obsidian is one of the last truly good rpg makers. If they die we 'll be left with bioware(which is going downhill for the last few years quality wise ) , Bethesda (which can't write a story to save their life), and a bunch for eastern european devs(which may be good but they can't put out sufficient volume for the entire genre).

I know people on here love Obsidian but I've been burned too many times by them. They can do good work but it's hampered down by so many bad things I can't call them a good studio, I can only say they have some very talented people...who should move on and take a studio of their own.

Bethesda can't write good stories but there games have always been about exploration and giant open worlds. They never have been story focused. Also, I liked the story in Morrowind.
 

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Nirolak said:
This doesn't happen when you have a new game going into production. At least someone (usually the senior staff) has to be prototyping it.

The DLC chapters are being worked on by different staffers, and I wouldn't have expected Bethesda to greenlight another external Fallout non-number game yet anyway. (F4 will certainly be internal.)

There's not much to read into this other than that Obsidian is still living project-to-project.
 
subversus said:
wow, who was it?
I'm having trouble remembering who it was, but EviLore should know when he gets here since he was the one telling me about it.

Darklord said:
I know people on here love Obsidian but I've been burned too many times by them. They can do good work but it's hampered down by so many bad things I can't call them a good studio, I can only say they have some very talented people...who should move on and take a studio of their own.

Bethesda can't write good stories but there games have always been about exploration and giant open worlds. They never have been story focused. Also, I liked the story in Morrowind.
This is the studio a lot of those people did move on to make though. They were from Black Isle, and then they formed Obsidian when Interplay went bankrupt.

Edit:

I have to go for a little bit though, be back soon.
 

subversus

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Nirolak said:
Other lead staffers (such as the lead narrative designer) have left to other studios.

.

Was it John Gonzalez?