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Obsidian is better than Blizzard, Bethesda, and Bioware all AT THE SAME TIME
- Thread starter Jharp
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It really is. I thought the Ulysses's plot was more interesting than the main game.
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Dungeon Siege III isn't better than anything.
Obsidian are aight though.
Obsidian are aight though.
You're right. Its leagues better than 3
KefkaPalazzo
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No, in fact, they are by and above the worst of the four.
Obsidians best games? Fallout New Vegas and the Sith Lords? Both are built around two of the most acclaimed WRPGs of all time.
Obsidians next best game? Neverwinter Nights 2, which was generally considered a disappointing sequel.
Obsidians lone original IP? Enjoyed it, but the game was condemned by critics for a reason. Sub-par gameplay, dated graphics, glitches, awful AI.
Why GAF has such a hard on for them is mind boggling.
Obsidians best games? Fallout New Vegas and the Sith Lords? Both are built around two of the most acclaimed WRPGs of all time.
Obsidians next best game? Neverwinter Nights 2, which was generally considered a disappointing sequel.
Obsidians lone original IP? Enjoyed it, but the game was condemned by critics for a reason. Sub-par gameplay, dated graphics, glitches, awful AI.
Why GAF has such a hard on for them is mind boggling.
I know FNV is so much better. Mostly because it didn't have the terrible thing of some kid who lived in a vault, had everything provided for him, only ever shot a BB gun in his life, became some kind of wasteland bad ass the moment he sets foot out of the door.
KefkaPalazzo
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HOW DARE A VIDEO GAME FILLED WITH MUTANTS AND GIANT ANTS BE UNREALISTIC
Sure, blame Bethesda for Obsidians shortcomings. Forget that Oblivion and Skyrim have bigger worlds...
The strip being small was a combination of the consoles and Bethesda's garbage engine. They found files hidden away that showed the strip was supposed to be much bigger and more populated but at the end of the day it had to be cut to get it to run at all on consoles.
Sorry, but I have always considered Obsidian to be a lower mid level developer. I remember playing KotOR2 and thinking how incredibly boring, buggy and inferior it was to Bioware's original, and then when they had the audacity to request to work on the Chrono franchise (something NO current developer has the skill to do) I couldn't contain my laughter. Believe me, if Square felt they themselves or any current developer had the talent to produce a worthy sequel to Chrono Trigger, it would have been made years ago.
I do not consider Obsidian to be very great at anything.
I do not consider Obsidian to be very great at anything.
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Bethesda didn't invent Fallout. Obsidian knew what the fuck a Fallout game was supposed to be.
KotOR 2 makes Bioware's efforts at story and companions look like the Prequel Trilogy.
Mask of the Betrayer was an excellent expansion.
Alpha Protocol had its problems, granted, but it was a noble shot at a combination of genres we really hadn't seen put together before.
Holy fucking crap. Neverwinter Nights 1 is in the running for the most disappointing game ever made, and the sequel is massively improved in every single way. And that's before getting into the fact that its expansion is the best party-based RPG released this decade.
Honestly, I sometimes wonder if people even play the games they talk about.
Yeah unrealistic wasn't my complaint. It being ass easy was. The game starts you off as a one man killing machine who moves up to a god.
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Because they know how to make REAL GAMES, which as it turns out is buggy undercooked sequels with good writing.
jim-jam bongs
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You worry too much my friend. We have kickstarter now. Games like Project Eternity, Wasteland 2, etc sounds like RPGs to me.
Though I admit the days of high budget AAA rpgs are dead.
Oblivion in general.
Yeah we've got one last surge ahead of us with the 3 kickstarter games (everyone always forgets Mitsoda's Dead State :\) and witcher 3/cyberpunk but after that the future is up in the air. We could very well be left with nothing but Bioware and Bethesda's slop representing the "wrpg" genre.
_illmatic_
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Nothing touching StarCraft II though.
KefkaPalazzo
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Never said Bethesda invented Fallout, but it was a total different mold than the previous entries. Obsidians played like Bethesdas...only more glitchy...and thats clearly saying something.
Speaking of glitches and bugs galore...
Nice.
Was the option to adjust the difficulty absent in your version of the game?
I love getting these Project Eternity update emails from Obsidian once in a while.
Gives you a cool look into a project as its getting made that most people never heard about.
Blizzard and Bioware are a far cry from the top tier studios they used to be. To me they're both mid tier, and they're done irreparable damage to both their brands (Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Warcraft, Starraft and Diablo) and the reputation of their company.
It sucks but neither of them are making the kinds of games they used to anymore.
It sucks but neither of them are making the kinds of games they used to anymore.
I recently replayed KOTOR2 with the Sith Lords Restored Content mod (now that it's finished.) Amazing game.
Please tell me what NWN1 does better than NWN2. Anything.
I have faith the the wave of Kickstarter RPGs will do well enough to start a nice little niche market. Where 1-2 million sales are a massive success and not just the break even point.
And I did forget about Dead State.
I will have to check out the updates now. I haven't really followed the game since the kickstarter ended.
hemtae
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I only played like an hour of it, but it seemed to have more mods. So that's something.
No it was there. Just didn't seem to do much. I think it might have been bugged it being a Bethesda game and all.
No. His first "They're" is correct. As in, "They are a very talented bunch."
Both NWN1 and NWN2 feel like demonstrations of what can be done with the toolsets. They really should be judged for their expansions. Hordes of Underdark is good. Mask of the Betrayer is Torment spiritual sequel. Storm of Zehir has some neat ideas though it fails to deliver.
That said, NWN2 OC is miles better than NWN1 OC simply based on the fact that the former has a party to control. And is simply a much better implementation of D&D.
That said, NWN2 OC is miles better than NWN1 OC simply based on the fact that the former has a party to control. And is simply a much better implementation of D&D.
This is actually completely true. They admitted as much in that recent Kotaku story and it's part of the reason why Sega eventually just stopped funding the game. They said they spent a lot of time completely stuck in the planning phase on what they wanted the game to be and they admitted it was a mistake to try to make it some RPG and some action (as far as the combat goes).
KefkaPalazzo
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One doesn't suffer from horrible bugs, technical problems, and broken AI, plus has a superior editor.
I enjoyed the story in one more as well, but that is more based in opinion, so I won't claim that as fact.
jim-jam bongs
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When I said "NWN1" and "NWN2" above, I meant the base games, not expansion and obviously not community content. NWN1's OC is terrible.
I can only assume you didn't play NWN1 at launch. Please feel free to peruse the change log of the first few patches.
I honestly don't even remember the story in NWN1. Or any characters. What I do remember is that it had me gather 3 (I think?) things, which were conveniently located in 3 cardinal directions from the starting location.
I think so too. I'll be curious to see how Project Eternity fares after release.
FairXchange
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New Vegas is incredible, Fallout 3 is a great game of course but there's no comparison it terms of how you traverse the game world itself, the quality of writing, the excellent faction system, the DLCs, the weapon variety, enemy variety. Just my 2 cents. With respect to the topic of the thread, Obsidian are an exceptionally talented studio and I'll continue to support their works.
I hope that kickstarter game shows up on next gen consoles.
I hope that kickstarter game shows up on next gen consoles.
Fallout 3's higher difficulty levels are a joke. You get more experience from killing enemies on higher difficulties, so you level up even faster and break the game even sooner.
And even before that happens, enemies are only slightly more deadly on Very Hard than they are on lower difficulties; the primary difference is that most of them get jacked up HP and turn into bullet sponges (Which also doesn't matter after the first couple hours because ammo has no weight to it and you're never in danger of running low once you've built up a stockpile).
Doesn't that leave out Mask of the Betrayer, the best part about NWN2?
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Because zomg the writing. Who cares if the game works, plays well, is finished, etc.
hemtae
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unless they use kb/m it won't judging by MCA comments.
Eternity? It will not.
It does, but that doesn't matter, since NWN1's OC is so bad that even NWN2's rather pedestrian main campaign outshines it by leaps and bounds.
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No chance, it's a PC game through and through. They explicitly said that they won't be porting it to any console/mobile device so they don't feel restricted in the UI/controls.
funny you bring this up
because bethesda and bioware games don't work. and mass effect 3 was NO WHERE near finished. but hey, they have 100 million dollar budgets and 50 million dollar marketing campaigns and are from notable devs so they get a free pass
True. Skyrim and Mass Effect 3 are two of the buggiest games I've played this generation and at least in ME3's case I can't even begin to see why, other than it was rushed which becomes obvious the more you play through it. That game is linear as all hell with more fetch quests than actual quests and yet it's as buggy as a Bethesda game.
