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Upset because women aren't included in PES 2020.
PES would have to change its rating system to have women because if the worst male player is around a 40/100 then the best female player is probably an 8/100 and so the bad female players would require decimals.

I watched 30 minutes of the France - USA quarter final and the level of play was abysmal, embarrassing really and yet the media are tripping over themselves to say "they're just as good as the guys". Which guys are those exactly? The guys at the geriatrics ward?

Because this is the reality of things: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html
 
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Slightly lighten an obscure dark skinned character on a piece of fan-art and these people go apeshit, frothing at the mouth ready to jump on anybody that doesn't think it's a huge problem.


Meanwhile, making a beloved and popular white character black in an official version is awesome and praise-worthy, and they can't wait for the "racists" to have a "meltdown".
 
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There were actually quite a few level-headed comments in there.

Mods are probably taking notes.
Some members just throw the truth on the face of the complaining ones. They said that complainers in the thread never gonna touch this games(totally true), so it would be senseless to invest to appease them. Waste of money.

I'm glad theres people with sense there.
 
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Oh boy, this thread is something.
 

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*Etika kills himself*

Neogaf: He killed himself because people on the internet harassed him

*15 years old girl gets harassed on the internet*

"She deserves it with pictures like this"
"She needs to grow a thicker skin, it's the internet"
"She's over exaggerating it and she's 15"

The hypocrisy on display here is truly something else.
I wonder what REEEE member that was.
 

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I think it's time to take a break from GAF. That Smash harrassment thread has really disappointed me. A lot of people I genuinely thought were cool showed a side of them i didn't know existed. The majority of people I talk to on GAF usually post in here, so I figured I'd say my peace here. Love you guys ♥
Sorry to hear that. I don’t think we’ve spoken much as I tend to lurk a lot more than I post, but I always enjoyed your posts man. As long as you are happy and healthy, that’s what counts. Hope to see you back one day soon!
 

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Hahahhaa the fun never ends
I will say to start that I love Footie in all forms, and am an avid watcher and yes I have been enjoying the women's WC.
That being said, the only reason anyone seems to give a shit right now is because of nationalism. It is like the olympics, does anyone really give a shit about women's curling? Nobody gives a fuck. But it is a chance for people to cheer for the part of this rock that they sit on.
You would think that this was the first Women's World cup out there the way REE acts, but it is not and the US has had a solid team before. What IS different is not the dominating performances but because news outlets have created a democratic babyface hero in Megan Rapinoe and her very public spat with Trump and the fact that the Women's world cup team is suing the soccer fed because they are doing better than the men's team and they bring in more revenue but are getting paid less (I am not here to discuss either of those topics ). This is why REEE are suddenly fans of the great game. This whole thing is a gift from the gods to media outlets wanting clicks for sensationalism.
 

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TBH who gives a shit about men's curling either hahaha? What a bizarre sport. Never got it.
Oh I agree. I meant in general as far as that goes men's women's either or. Just that the olympics makes people pretend to care about things that they forget about the rest of the year
 
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Nobody gives a shit about women's soccer unless they're making the headlines by doing very well.

People pay attention to men's soccer on avergae whether they're winning or losing.

It is what it is, cry about it.
 

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Crossing Eden is such a dumb piece of garbage craving constant attention.
 

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Nobody gives a shit about women's soccer unless they're making the headlines by doing very well.

People pay attention to men's soccer on avergae whether they're winning or losing.

It is what it is, cry about it.
Nobody talks about women's soccer outside of the world cup and even then it feels completely forced. Soccer fans were more focused on the U21 Euro, Copa America, Gold Cup and the African Cup of Nations than the women's world cup.
 

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A TALE OF TWO THREADS Part II:


It's hard to believe there's even a trial for killing a member of ISIS during a war in the first place but here we are and of course the asylum is irate that he was acquitted and says the other guy's confession can't be taken seriously because he was promised immunity.


Meanwhile, the central park five who brutally raped an innocent jogger get exonerated after another guy's confession who's already serving a life sentence, but that confession is totally legit according to the asylum because what's good for the goose is never good for the gander after all. The cops and evidence says they're guilty, and the prosecutor says the Netflix documentary is a complete fabrication.
 
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I will never understand that site and the smarmy insistence that everything is political.
Just the insufferable attitude towards anyone who is just like "nah man there is no deeper meaning to Mario, it's just a fun game".

Trump really did a number on some of these people. We're all supposed to care about the USA and Trump so EVERYTHING we consume must have a political, activist, angle to it. Then that angle must be discussed in great detail and anyone who disagrees is "part of the problem".

I wonder is it because they have become so obsessed with accusing, often anonymous, opponents of being the worst people ever, and also with looking for thought-traitors within their ranks, that escapism just doesn't work for them any more?

Sure, every game probably has room for several political interpretations but that doesn't mean the intent of the game was to send some deep message.
They keep treating games like books and movies, in my opinion, and the end result is forgetting some of the things that make games special as an entertainment medium.

PLUS they reserve the right to pivot on a dime to "oh are the angry man-babies upset about their electronic toys" whenever it suits them.

Does anyone know about Film Critic Hulk? That dude is a case study in this kind of thing, I reckon.
Used to be he did pretty good and insightful articles about movies and he seemed like a cool guy.
Then he catches the Trump Derangement Syndrome and becomes a rude, arrogant, angry asshole who will tolerate no opinion opposed to his own.
From a good lad who was worth a read to a whiny preachy cunt.
 

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I will never understand that site and the smarmy insistence that everything is political.
Just the insufferable attitude towards anyone who is just like "nah man there is no deeper meaning to Mario, it's just a fun game".

Trump really did a number on some of these people. We're all supposed to care about the USA and Trump so EVERYTHING we consume must have a political, activist, angle to it. Then that angle must be discussed in great detail and anyone who disagrees is "part of the problem".

I wonder is it because they have become so obsessed with accusing, often anonymous, opponents of being the worst people ever, and also with looking for thought-traitors within their ranks, that escapism just doesn't work for them any more?

Sure, every game probably has room for several political interpretations but that doesn't mean the intent of the game was to send some deep message.
They keep treating games like books and movies, in my opinion, and the end result is forgetting some of the things that make games special as an entertainment medium.

PLUS they reserve the right to pivot on a dime to "oh are the angry man-babies upset about their electronic toys" whenever it suits them.

Does anyone know about Film Critic Hulk? That dude is a case study in this kind of thing, I reckon.
Used to be he did pretty good and insightful articles about movies and he seemed like a cool guy.
Then he catches the Trump Derangement Syndrome and becomes a rude, arrogant, angry asshole who will tolerate no opinion opposed to his own.
From a good lad who was worth a read to a whiny preachy cunt.
It seems that there are two groups of people here.

Those who say they don't want games to be political and those who say that everything is political in response.

Reading that thread the second group of people are interpreting the first group as wanting all elements of games that can be described as political to be removed, Metal Gear Solid for example, which deals with government espionage, rogue military groups, nuclear weapons and all that to apparently disappear.

I don't think this interpretation of this sentiment is entirely correct, so can someone give an example of;

1. Something that makes a game "political" as intended by the first group.
2. Why this thing would be a detriment, thus providing the reason why one might not want it it be in a game.

I think the problem is that the statement that one does not want a game to be political is vague enough that it can be intrepreted multiple ways. I think discourse could be improved if people making this statement could be more specific in regards to what they mean when they say it because even though I don't agree with the interpretation that the people in that thread are making I can't recall an example that would more accurately represent what this sentiment is supposed to express.
 

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It seems that there are two groups of people here.

Those who say they don't want games to be political and those who say that everything is political in response.

Reading that thread the second group of people are interpreting the first group as wanting all elements of games that can be described as political to be removed, Metal Gear Solid for example, which deals with government espionage, rogue military groups, nuclear weapons and all that to apparently disappear.

I don't think this interpretation of this sentiment is entirely correct, so can someone give an example of;

1. Something that makes a game "political" as intended by the first group.
2. Why this thing would be a detriment, thus providing the reason why one might not want it it be in a game.

I think the problem is that the statement that one does not want a game to be political is vague enough that it can be intrepreted multiple ways. I think discourse could be improved if people making this statement could be more specific in regards to what they mean when they say it because even though I don't agree with the interpretation that the people in that thread are making I can't recall an example that would more accurately represent what this sentiment is supposed to express.
You're thinking through this too hard.

"Political" is religion to them, and whether it is conscious or subconscious, they know that if you undermine their universal application of "it's political", you are undermining the influence of their religion.

It would be no different than a Christian trying to shut down conversation by saying "everything is God's will". No matter what you bring up to this person, no matter how you try to plead with them, they will just shrug and say "it's God's will lol".

Of course, no one would expect to have a logical conversation with such a person after their appeal to a Deus Ex Machina. Even as a Christian I would eventually just shake my head and back away in frustration. Yet, this thought process is identical to what the "everything is political" ideologues are thinking.

When you don't agree that "everything is political", you don't agree that their god exists.
 
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You're thinking through this too hard.

"Political" is religion to them, and whether it is conscious or subconscious, they know that if you undermine their universal application of "it's political", you are undermining the influence of their religion.

It would be no different than a Christian trying to shut down conversation by saying "everything is God's will". No matter what you bring up to this person, no matter how you try to plead with them, they will just shrug and say "it's God's will lol".

Of course, no one would expect to have a logical conversation with such a person after their appeal to a Deus Ex Machina. Even as a Christian I would eventually just shake my head and back away in frustration. Yet, this thought process is identical to what the "everything is political" ideologues are thinking.

When you don't agree that "everything is political", you don't agree that their god exists.
History's not going to look back kindly on this fuckery that's for sure.
 
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Can't imagine the market for womens soccer videogames is large.
I can’t see making a whole game, but having a mode like Fifa had a few years ago could sell a few copies with the surge in interest from the World Cup.

Women’s soccer is the only female sport I enjoy watching. It’s the same as watching the men’s game in terms of quality of play. I’m not saying the women could compete with men, they couldn’t. Just that it’s not like say basketball where the game it’s self is very different due few players being able to dunk and so on.

Soccer is skill and speed and thus not so dependent on height and musculature. Thus watching high level women’s play is just as entertaining to me as watching the men play. Plus many of them are hot as fuck (just like my wife and her friends love watching men’s soccer as the guys are fit and not overly muscled like football players).
 
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A TALE OF TWO THREADS:


Slightly lighten an obscure dark skinned character on a piece of fan-art and these people go apeshit, frothing at the mouth ready to jump on anybody that doesn't think it's a huge problem.


Meanwhile, making a beloved and popular white character black in an official version is awesome and praise-worthy, and they can't wait for the "racists" to have a "meltdown".
As a ginger, less than 2% of the world population, the systematic replacement of us in media is concerning. As very much of a minority, I feel like this move is both extremely racist and xenophobic.


Oh boy, this thread is something.
I find it odd how many people don't realize the difference between "political" and "current day social commentary".
 
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Slightly lighten an obscure dark skinned character on a piece of fan-art and these people go apeshit, frothing at the mouth ready to jump on anybody that doesn't think it's a huge problem.
Geez the OP is like war and peace size novel. How many hours did the OP spend creating that first post just for a slightly lighter skin tone. Probably spent longer on that than a gender studies student does on their thesis.
 

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Geez the OP is like war and peace size novel. How many hours did the OP spend creating that first post just for a slightly lighter skin tone. Probably spent longer on that than a gender studies student does on their thesis.
Must've been a slow week for him when he did that. Assuming he has a job or was attending classes at school/college... who knows.
 

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You're thinking through this too hard.

"Political" is religion to them, and whether it is conscious or subconscious, they know that if you undermine their universal application of "it's political", you are undermining the influence of their religion.

It would be no different than a Christian trying to shut down conversation by saying "everything is God's will". No matter what you bring up to this person, no matter how you try to plead with them, they will just shrug and say "it's God's will lol".

Of course, no one would expect to have a logical conversation with such a person after their appeal to a Deus Ex Machina. Even as a Christian I would eventually just shake my head and back away in frustration. Yet, this thought process is identical to what the "everything is political" ideologues are thinking.

When you don't agree that "everything is political", you don't agree that their god exists.
Upon further thought it seems to be a result of a confusion between something being political in nature and intent versus something having political themes to explore ideas and concepts or just simply as a backdrop for flavour. There should be delineation between something that uses political themes in some capacity like most creative works like Mario, versus something that's political in intent like a propoganda film released by a dictatorship to its citizens.

I don't deny that there is some truth to what you say, given the very hostile replies I've seen to some that have said that not every game is political, as if they have said something deeply offensive worthy of rebuke instead of just an opinion that deserves a normal response like any other. To be clear I do get the vibe that this misinterpretation of political is an intentional strawman and not just a misunderstanding, which would explain why these sorts of threads are full of people who are replying to people that don't seem to really exist.

I just wanted to clarify the idea more for my own understanding. And after I made that post I did come up with an example of something that could fit within the idea of not wanting politics in games. That being the Extra Credits video that came out recently about nazis and terrorists in video games.

Here's the video


And here's a response video that completely dismantles the idea and explains why it doesn't have merit.


If you're not going to watch the entire Extra Credits video I'd recommend watching the Echelon Games one at the very least as it's pretty thorough in dismantling the the arguments put forth in the EC one.
 

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I don't get it. If America is running death camps at the border, then how are millions of illegal immigrants still alive and millions more continue to pour in through the border?

This is the dumbest shit I've seen in my life.

Well, maybe the second dumbest...



America is the shithole but Latin America is the 1st world tech paradise. You can't make this shit up.
 

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I wonder how many people know that the very internet they post on, was invented in America?

How could America be a shithole, yet also be the same ones that gave BILLIONS of people a voice to express such a comment? Hilarious.
 
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Geez the OP is like war and peace size novel. How many hours did the OP spend creating that first post just for a slightly lighter skin tone. Probably spent longer on that than a gender studies student does on their thesis.
Not having a job frees up a lot of time.
 

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PES would have to change its rating system to have women because if the worst male player is around a 40/100 then the best female player is probably an 8/100 and so the bad female players would require decimals.

I watched 30 minutes of the France - USA quarter final and the level of play was abysmal, embarrassing really and yet the media are tripping over themselves to say "they're just as good as the guys". Which guys are those exactly? The guys at the geriatrics ward?

Because this is the reality of things: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html
Transgenders like me will be rated 2/100 at best cuz we're like extra girly. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

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Watch out! Here comes the gay communists! :ROFLMAO::sick:😨






Reminder, Communists are just as bloodthirsty as the "Nazis" they accuse people of.



But because they're gay, we're not suppose to pay attention right?
 
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Don't these people know that communism wasn’t too kind to the gays?

Neither is Islam that they circle the wagons around.

I swear these people have to just be trolling to be a living embodiment of a parody.
This is the insanity of SJW's.

They are willing to suffer collateral damage in order to "own" the conservatives. That is how much hatred is running through their veins.
 
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Don't these people know that communism wasn’t too kind to the gays?

Neither is Islam that they circle the wagons around.

I swear these people have to just be trolling to be a living embodiment of a parody.
Their "education" is strictly confined to the territory of their own ideology. It's not hard to see this is the case. Simply watch what happens when they are confronted by information that contradicts their beliefs ('specially science or historical events). It is the same behavior of the 80s/90s oversensitive Christians who take any challenge to their beliefs as a personal insult. Instead of taking it as an opportunity to reflect and ponder the truthfulness of their beliefs, they take it an attack from Trump neo-Nazi fascist scum Satan.

It's not a parody. They're just stupid. Their leash-holders pat them on the head and tell them they're smart and not-racist, so they stick with the charade, fueled by artificial self-righteousness until a new cause comes along.

'True believers' never change.
 

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Their "education" is strictly confined to the territory of their own ideology. It's not hard to see this is the case. Simply watch what happens when they are confronted by information that contradicts their beliefs ('specially science or historical events). It is the same behavior of the 80s/90s oversensitive Christians who take any challenge to their beliefs as a personal insult. Instead of taking it as an opportunity to reflect and ponder the truthfulness of their beliefs, they take it an attack from Trump neo-Nazi fascist scum Satan.

It's not a parody. They're just stupid. Their leash-holders pat them on the head and tell them they're smart and not-racist, so they stick with the charade, fueled by artificial self-righteousness until a new cause comes along.

'True believers' never change.
They’re too dumb to realize they’re being used as pawns from a certain agenda, and if ever that agenda should gain a foothold and control, they will be the first to be casted aside.

Still crack up at that tweet where one of them thinks they would be a uniform designer for the red army.

:pie_roffles: :messenger_ok:
 
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They’re too dumb to realize they’re being used as pawns from a certain agenda, and if ever that agenda should gain a foothold and control, they will be the first to be casted aside.

Still crack up at that tweet where one of them thinks they would be a uniform designer for the red army.

:pie_roffles: :messenger_ok:
The so-called kulaks were happy to work hard and lift themselves out of serfdom, building up their impoverished villages when the Tsar's magistrates wouldn't lift a finger. These were the first to go when the cheka arrived.

Then, the cheka had too much blood on their hands so they had to be replaced. The cheka were so devoted to the cause, they were usually the first to turn stoolie in gulag when the NKVD took over and slowly began incarcerating all the old revolutionaries.

And when the NKVD agents and their troikas were replaced by the KGB, these too were the first to turn stoolie in gulag when they had to be imprisoned for the sake of The State's reputation.

It's an ideology of lambs to the slaughter. But hey, the lambs get to sharpen their teeth and gnaw on the bones of their lessers for a short while. When The State is your god, it's all worth it.
 

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I don't get it. If America is running death camps at the border, then how are millions of illegal immigrants still alive and millions more continue to pour in through the border?

This is the dumbest shit I've seen in my life.

Well, maybe the second dumbest...



America is the shithole but Latin America is the 1st world tech paradise. You can't make this shit up.
You’re reading the first one wrong. It’s a bad comparison in a way but they are talking about technical upgrades that are still shitty..... but an upgrade all the same. Plus work camps can result in death......
 

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Well, maybe the second dumbest...



America is the shithole but Latin America is the 1st world tech paradise. You can't make this shit up.
Just to clarify: that idiot from Panama doesn't represent the whole Latin America. I don't think he doesn't even represent his own country.
 

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All this talk about nazis and gays made me go and do a bit of reading as my history was a little fuzzy

Apparently they did punish Germán gays as they didn’t contribute to a reproductive society or grow the master race....they didn’t give a shit about lesbians though and if you were non Germán they didn’t really give a shit what you did as long as it was behind closed doors and not with other Germans

 

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As a ginger, less than 2% of the world population, the systematic replacement of us in media is concerning. As very much of a minority, I feel like this move is both extremely racist and xenophobic.
You had better be concerned. Gingers will be the first to go on the Day of the Rope.
 

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As a ginger, less than 2% of the world population, the systematic replacement of us in media is concerning. As very much of a minority, I feel like this move is both extremely racist and xenophobic.
Actually I can say the reality is much darker. Our soulless nature as a ginger in fact means that we can not indeed go "under the sea" and instead float. It is a tragedy indeed, because darling it's better down where it's wetter.
 

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God im sick of the “they want us dead” hysteria.

I went to the Stone Mountain laser show a few weeks ago. Elvis sang Dixieland and they had laser versions of Robert E Lee breaking his sword and the broken country joining together in union. The park was full of POC and tourists from all over the world. They were there to have a good time in the summer and see some fireworks. The park is usually filled with POCs and the city itself is almost 75% black.

Southerners do not want these people dead, they live with them, in large numbers, they probably are better integrated than most northern cities or European towns that have relatively tiny minority populations. I’ve lived in the south my whole life and have been to plenty of Civil War sites (it is local history) and have never seen anyone seriously advocating for killing people. It’s pure hysteria
 
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lol get a load of this genius take

I'm inclined to believe they would be as the capitalist profit motive would be removed. We'd see more creative projects that aren't motivated purely by money. With no need to chase after capital, developers would be willing to take more risks and make more experimental games, crunch and other exploitative labour would likely disappear. Free and open-source games would be the norm. There'd be a games industry without any bosses etc.


crunch and other exploitative labour would likely disappear

crunch and other exploitative labour would likely disappear
 
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God im sick of the “they want us dead” hysteria.

I went to the Stone Mountain laser show a few weeks ago. Elvis sang Dixieland and they had laser versions of Robert E Lee breaking his sword and the broken country joining together in union. The park was full of POC and tourists from all over the world. They were there to have a good time in the summer and see some fireworks. The park is usually filled with POCs and the city itself is almost 75% black.

Southerners do not want these people dead, they live with them, in large numbers, they probably are better integrated than most northern cities or European towns that have relatively tiny minority populations. I’ve lived in the south my whole life and have been to plenty of Civil War sites (it is local history) and have never seen anyone seriously advocating for killing people. It’s pure hysteria
Definitely a lot of hyperbole among those nutjobs.

That said, living here, Stone Mountain/Dekalb County/Atlanta is kind of anomaly in the south--or even the state of Georgia since it is a majority black area and very liberal. Southern GA, and even GA north of Atlanta gets pretty backwoods scary pretty damn fast. I don't like venturing out there even as a white person--not for safety reasons though. I just grew up around poor white trash (and had plenty in my family outside of my parents) and can't fucking stand those kind of areas and people.

Also, the types of people who are super offended by that stuff, PoC or white, are just not patronizing Stone Mountain. So it's mostly crowds of people who don't give a shit about these things--except for when there's some white power group rallying there along with counter protesters anyway.
 

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You know what I find funny about that Communism & Games thread?
Even though there are still many users against it, there are still people stupid enough to believe that "real communism hasn't been tried" and that when given enough time, the Left will start moving far-left without any hesitation to fight back.

Meanwhile, you never see this type of drift happening on the right. There is no desire for mainstream Conservatives to ever want to go full "far-right". At worst, you always hear Republicans wanting to have things go back to the past, but even 50 years ago, the USA or Canada weren't far-right states like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy was. We just had more traditional roles and stronger immigration policies, but guess what? Those countries were still never shitholes like the USSR or Venezuela is.

I'm just glad everyday I just refuse to back to Liberalism. It doesn't matter how much good intentions you have, left-wing parties will always start drifting further and further left untill someone suggests "hey, maybe real communism wasn't tried yet? Lets try it now".

Even in my country, this example plays true. When the Liberal party failed to win over my province in 2018, the rest of the Left voters actually went ahead and voted for NDP (a more far-left leaning party). This type of behavior is way to self destructive compared to all the criticisms that Conservatism gets.
 

Shaqazooloo

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I was about to post that Games and communism thread. Gave me a chuckle, I'm about to dive in and see how much I can stand before I become disgusted.
 
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