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[Nobody_Important]

Yes, it is borderline pornography, at the very least it is titillating erotic content with little value outside of that. But I have to disagree on the point of Sony not acting due to demand from the public. Such actions are always performed to prevent negative reactions that could be hurtful to the brand and thus Sony must have gotten the impression that it is indeed in public demand to act on such content. I think Sony's policies are reflective of the prudery in the US which has been on the rise (from a pretty high level anyway).

It is certainly not my kind of content, but in a world where games glorifying violence such as GTA and RDR and those romanticising war such as CoD or Battlefield are being heavily marketed on Sony systems, it is clearly a hypocritical move to ban some anime breasts. I want no part in either of those, but I cannot believe people think they are fighting for a greater good by complaining about anime breasts while financially supporting ultra violent games such as the ones I have talked about above. If one affects how people act in real life negatively (e.g. promoting disrespectful behaviour towards women), why would the other be harmless? And the argument that violent games are restricted towards reflected adult humans is inconsequential, it would have to be applied to erotic content as well.

That being said, of course a posting by JordanN can safely be assumed to be trollish and unbalanced. But I think this is precisely the reason why engaging with his constant stream of outrage posts is a waste of time.

Don't get me wrong. Like I said before I am not supporting Sony's censorship rules the way they stand now. I know that they are currently all over the fucking place. They need to nail down exactly what is and isn't okay in black and white for the devs and the public. Though I think the fact that some of the female characters in that game are 15 and 16yrs old is playing a big part in their decision to single out that game in particular and I don't blame them for that part one bit. Even if they haven't fixed the games that are already on the console that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to fix new ones that are coming if they feel they are violating their rules. Especially if it involves characters that are underage.


And you are 100% right on the last part. I should have learned my lesson by now.

 

[Papa]

Is "borderline pornography" illegal?

I mean, I wouldn't be playing the game at work (if I was playing it at all) so what difference does it make if the game is NSFW? People would be mostly playing it at home.

If it's borderline porn then I guess most would be playing it privately at home.

So what's going on with these people seemingly celebrating the game being censored?

You haven't added context at all. If the game had outright illegal content then it ought to be banned. No problem.

What if a developers starting point is "we want to make a game with big boobs and fan service"? They shouldn't be allowed?

You don’t understand. There are women being exploited and they need to be defended!

 

[Eotheod]

Hey there Eotheod! Could you take a look at this post i made on your commentary? Many thanks!

Sorry mate I am on a phone at the moment so was just grabbing the shorter replies. I'll get to replying in full but I do agree with a vast majority of your post.

 

[CatCouch]

And since JordanN is once again intentionally leaving out key context in his post in order to make the posts fit his narrative I will once again come in and provide that context.

Senran Kagura is the game that is being "Censored" in this case and it is a game famous for it's big boobed anime girls and blatant fan service. It's borderline hentai pornography. There is even an "intimacy mode" that had to be removed from Western versions of the game. In fact I am honestly afraid to post examples of the more blatant game "art" because I am not 100% sure the mods will actually allow me to post them and I don't want my first warning on this site to be for posting big boobed anime chicks. So I will instead just post one of the more tame pictures I have found related to the series

Spoiler: Potentially NSFW (Depends on how strict your boss is)

So you get the idea its a game filled with half naked anime girls with huge boobs and almost no clothing. And like I said that the most tame image I have found.
If you type in "Senran Kagura" into google images you will find out very quickly what the game is really about. I uh.......just wouldn't do it at work.


TL;DR: The game is being Censored because it's borderline pornography. Not because its a normal video game with normal themes. The game is being censored by Sony due to its own rules and regulations. Not out of any demand from the public.

I think I'm going to have to take a little issue with this response. Using words like "normal games" seems passive aggressive to me as does having censorship in quotations. Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't read all the responses here (a topic I was in was moved here), but I get the impression you don't play these games at all while trying to be a voice of reason in a debate about whether they should be censored. I get the point that the discussions here are not that balanced (I'm not a fan of all the "snowflake" and "triggered" posts) but putting "art" in quotations immediately makes me think you don't have a levelheaded view, like you're just trying to prove other posters wrong without thinking much about the actual games.

I can absolutely tell you these games are art and they do have value. Please remember that real people create these games, they are artists with passion for their creations! There's a reason words like ecchi and fan service exist, they are a valid way of expressing sexuality that isn't directly porn. There are many shades to sexually appealing art, it's obviously not black and white. With Japan in particular, it' easy to see why this kind of art is so popular, it's not censored like porn is!

Emphasizing non-nude sexuality is an art form itself! I am an artist with a lot of adult art and I just recently started posting on Pixiv, a Japanese art site, so I had to learn how to censor my art to post there. It's impressive how creative artists can be to express sexuality around censorship. Censorship will most definitely not cut these games down, artists will just find more creative ways to be express themselves~

It's very hard to explain why sexy art has the appeal it does, I know, I've tried in the past! It's a desire that's pretty deeply rooted, which makes sense to me as it is tied to one's sexuality and suppressing that is not comfortable. I really get people who want to see more gay representation in games, things like romance and even fan service (looking at Dragon Age Inquisition's Iron Bull and Dorian!). Seeing part of something as personal as sexuality represented brings that warm, fuzzy, satisfying feeling up! Yes, even games like SK do that for me!

Outside of that, It's not just SK that is worrisome here, it's that Sony is making this inconstant policy platform-wide. That has the potential to hurt many developers and damage quite a few games. While these kind of games don't often sell millions there are a lot of them. They tend to be lower budget but more prolific. I have a shelf entirely dedicated to Hyperdimension Neptunia games there's so many! For Sony to follow through they may end up censoring a lot of games. Look how many are being censored so far. The amount of games Sony can censor here could keep this policy in the limelight for a long time, especially if it hits bigger games like Catherine or a Persona game. I can see Sony getting a lot of pressure over this.

Anyway, I apologize if this kind of stuff was already brought up somewhere in the 6000(!) posts before this. I just thought I'd put my personal perspective out as someone who was heavily influenced by these games and now makes money drawing lewd art!

 

[Redneckerz]

Sorry mate I am on a phone at the moment so was just grabbing the shorter replies. I'll get to replying in full but I do agree with a vast majority of your post.

Alright, look forward to your expanded response.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I think I'm going to have to take a little issue with this response. Using words like "normal games" seems passive aggressive to me as does having censorship in quotations. Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't read all the responses here (a topic I was in was moved here), but I get the impression you don't play these games at all while trying to be a voice of reason in a debate about whether they should be censored. I get the point that the discussions here are not that balanced (I'm not a fan of all the "snowflake" and "triggered" posts) but putting "art" in quotations immediately makes me think you don't have a levelheaded view, like you're just trying to prove other posters wrong without thinking much about the actual games.

I can absolutely tell you these games are art and they do have value. Please remember that real people create these games, they are artists with passion for their creations! There's a reason words like ecchi and fan service exist, they are a valid way of expressing sexuality that isn't directly porn. There are many shades to sexually appealing art, it's obviously not black and white. With Japan in particular, it' easy to see why this kind of art is so popular, it's not censored like porn is!

Emphasizing non-nude sexuality is an art form itself! I am an artist with a lot of adult art and I just recently started posting on Pixiv, a Japanese art site, so I had to learn how to censor my art to post there. It's impressive how creative artists can be to express sexuality around censorship. Censorship will most definitely not cut these games down, artists will just find more creative ways to be express themselves~

It's very hard to explain why sexy art has the appeal it does, I know, I've tried in the past! It's a desire that's pretty deeply rooted, which makes sense to me as it is tied to one's sexuality and suppressing that is not comfortable. I really get people who want to see more gay representation in games, things like romance and even fan service (looking at Dragon Age Inquisition's Iron Bull and Dorian!). Seeing part of something as personal as sexuality represented brings that warm, fuzzy, satisfying feeling up! Yes, even games like SK do that for me!

Outside of that, It's not just SK that is worrisome here, it's that Sony is making this inconstant policy platform-wide. That has the potential to hurt many developers and damage quite a few games. While these kind of games don't often sell millions there are a lot of them. They tend to be lower budget but more prolific. I have a shelf entirely dedicated to Hyperdimension Neptunia games there's so many! For Sony to follow through they may end up censoring a lot of games. Look how many are being censored so far. The amount of games Sony can censor here could keep this policy in the limelight for a long time, especially if it hits bigger games like Catherine or a Persona game. I can see Sony getting a lot of pressure over this.

Anyway, I apologize if this kind of stuff was already brought up somewhere in the 6000(!) posts before this. I just thought I'd put my personal perspective out as someone who was heavily influenced by these games and now makes money drawing lewd art!

I have already explained my viewpoints on the subject in the thread. I have nothing new to add.

 

[CatCouch]

I have already explained my viewpoints on the subject in the thread. I have nothing new to add.

What a disappointing response.

 

[Nobody_Important]

What a disappointing response.

Sorry, but the people who posted before you wore out my ability to care enough to respond properly. Its just not worth it.

 

[CatCouch]

Sorry, but the people who posted before you wore out my ability to care enough to respond properly. Its just not worth it.

That's probably not an ideal attitude to have for discussions. You might miss why some people have a different perspective than your own if you focus too much on those who drain you. It can be hard not to write people off when discussions are hostile (or fall into echo-chambers) but not everyone is like that, it's a big world with billions of people. When a topic that has real impact on people's lives like censorship comes up there will be a lot of different perspectives on it.

 

[Nobody_Important]

That's probably not an ideal attitude to have for discussions. You might miss why some people have a different perspective than your own if you focus too much on those who drain you. It can be hard not to write people off when discussions are hostile (or fall into echo-chambers) but not everyone is like that, it's a big world with billions of people. When a topic that has real impact on people's lives like censorship comes up there will be a lot of different perspectives on it.

I know and you are right, but your post really doesn't change my view enough for me to second guess anything I have already said enough for me to feel the need to jump back into the conversation. I see where you are coming from, but I have already said my peace. If you still don't agree with me then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Acerac]

Hey there Eotheod! Could you take a look at this post i made on your commentary? Many thanks!

I commend you on the effort you give to individuals who obviously have no interest in legitimate discussion.

 

[royox]

I get a lot of downtime inbetween organic synthesis reactions :'(

hahaha I know this feeling "Now 4hours reflux??' OOOK IT'S GAF TIME!!"

 

[Redneckerz]

I commend you on the effort you give to individuals who obviously have no interest in legitimate discussion.

I mean, who knows. Instead of a negative energy by flipping him off, that user may now write an expanded response that can be useful.

Admittely, re-explaining is tedious though.

 

[Dr. Claus]

hahaha I know this feeling "Now 4hours reflux??' OOOK IT'S GAF TIME!!"

SOMEONE GETS IT!

 

[Sub_Level]

Are they gonna fix their mobile site in time for Captain Marvel trailer? I know that movie is heavily anticipated over there.

On a side note its funny to ponder if there's a few movie fans out there who will sit through NFL football just to see the trailer a couple minutes before its posted to youtube. Maybe they will become football fans heh

 

[Blam]

Damn that ERA design is fucking hot trash. Also proved my point their servers were running on $600 a month boxes which were a complete rip off. Since this new design isn't optimized, it's tanked their servers. lmao.

 

[fantomena]

Are they gonna fix their mobile site in time for Captain Marvel trailer? I know that movie is heavily anticipated over there.

On a side note its funny to ponder if there's a few movie fans out there who will sit through NFL football just to see the trailer a couple minutes before its posted to youtube. Maybe they will become football fans heh

Any Marvel trailer is anticipated on ERA. The Avengers 4 speculation thread has like 70 pages.

 

[The Elite]

Damn that ERA design is fucking hot trash. Also proved my point their servers were running on $600 a month boxes which were a complete rip off. Since this new design isn't optimized, it's tanked their servers. lmao.

Ok. That's what is going on. Was working fine this morning.

 

[royox]

SOMEONE GETS IT!

Chem-fist!!!

 

[michaelius]

I still have the game on my backlog, but from what i saw this is not even part of the main story, just a optional japanese beach troupe scene.

Its irrational to disregard the entire game based on this cutscene alone imo.

It's DLC - someone have to buy it in the first place to even have that scenario.

 

[Iceternal]

It seems I am sexist because I dared say Captain Marvel always looked pissed off in any footage/picture we've seen of her... I don't even ...

 

[JordanN]

Yo, is Gaf's reputation on the internet finally improving? We're finally getting some positive mind share.

Watch out. GAF is back with a vengeance.

 

[God Enel]

Yo, is Gaf's reputation on the internet finally improving? We're finally getting some positive mind share.

Watch out. GAF is back with a vengeance.

Ummm who is that?

 

[fantomena]

Yo, is Gaf's reputation on the internet finally improving? We're finally getting some positive mind share.

Watch out. GAF is back with a vengeance.

1 twitter account = GAF IS BACK

lolz

 

[JORMBO]

Plot twist - Jordan is RayRizzoPKMN

(not really)

 

[The Elite]

Yo, is Gaf's reputation on the internet finally improving? We're finally getting some positive mind share.

Watch out. GAF is back with a vengeance.

It's either JordanN's alt or a Nazi.

 

[royox]

It's either JordanN's alt or a Nazi.

Or Donald Trump!

 

[Afro Republican]

I took down Resetera servers with my Digital Denial of Misogyny attack (Abbreviated as L.O.L) so they will be down for another 48 hours, in the meantime we'll be trading places like a Boomerang.

 

[Eotheod]

I commend you on the effort you give to individuals who obviously have no interest in legitimate discussion.

Shame you think that.

Alright, look forward to your expanded response.

Terribly sorry it took so long, was late here in Australia

First and formost: Most users aren't angry here, but comment (in various intensities) on ERA, although i feel we should cover more sites.

Regarding your complaint: Welcome! I think one should know that we have had a lot of previous posters citing the same issue, and therefore, ill be doing an attempt at a proper conversation, taking cites from a prior post on this.

• In the land of The Names*, an opposing view, however nuanced, is a dangerous one in their eyes. Regardless of how correct you actually are, in the eyes of The Names you are always incorrect. This kiwipost about false equivalencies (A staple among the Book of Reasons) explains it better (found below), especially the bolded.
• My point is that because of this system, you are essentially given little leeway to deviate from what The Names consider valid. Some protected users ofcourse can deviate so that there is the appearance that more broad opinions are allowed, even though Reeeeelly, that isn't the case.
• If just activity is your main reason to pick ERA, then i feel one is essentially closing the eyes for the things lingering underneath. It isn't a bit banhappy either: The sole reason a site scraper exists documenting each and every single ban was made out of a necessity to keep track of the motivation behind said bans. Everything is a history of x/a false equivalency, as the bolded also shows, i don't feel these are the real reasons why people get banned. People get banned because The Names consider the opinions and conclusions of others as wrong when they run opposite of what they believe in. (The Names is a term i use to denote a part of the staff, and not all staff, that essentially dictate policy. By giving it a group term, it means i am not picking on specifics. Little Helpers refer to the members that effectively bait users into a ban, have protection, and so on.)
• Please highlight a series of posts from different threads that support either that we are angry, or that the site invokes racism, discrimination to a sufficient degree that it should be addressed. The thing is, multiple users have signed up (or returned) calling GAF out for these reasons, but when it is asked to elaborate, we never get any details. In order to have a conversation on this, we need factual evidence.
• On GAF, extremes are filtered out, but opinions of either side are allowed and maintained. The staff also attempts to not inject their own personal views regarding politics into threads. See this post chain i had with a staff member for more info regarding this. This should also help answering some. There is more, but this is in a private conversation.
• I am well aware that several ERA members have personal issues relating to depression, withdrawal, anxiety, and so on. I also understand that threads like the Mental Health thread and its Discord are an outlet to these people and i wholeheartly support that. However, i do not feel this is an excuse for the kind of rhetoric that goes around there (usually by The Names) regarding race, or pedophilia. There are takes in there that are reminiscent of OldGAF at its worst: How is it interconnectable that ERA users get offended that virtual character rights in games are not a thing, yet on the other end, the site is okay with wanting to see a 15 year old naked kid in a uncensored movie? Things do not add up. Claiming sexual harrassment in Valkirya Chronicles even tho the girl who is harassed actually holds her own more than most of the lads in the game... It just does not stick favourably for the negative image that the site has.
• Perhaps it is futile, but as you can see, i am willing to listen and to reason back with you on your points raised. I do not think every user on ERA is terrible or supporting the cause set forth by The Names. Naively, i'd wish both places would offer dialogue, like North and South Korea (As we are to each and one another).

Spoiler: The aforementioned Kiwipost

I get the "false equivalency" thing now. It's not about false arguments, it's about false *conclusions*.

They take as axiomatic certain social justice principles like the progressive stack and "mimorities can't be racist". Regardless of what you try to explain, what you argue, what facts you bring, you won't change those core beliefs. It'd be like trying to argue with a devout Christian about whether God exists. You're questioning their basic axioms, so you cannot be right. To them, saying "blacks can be racist" is indiscernible from claiming up is down, hot is cold, 4+4=7, etc.

So when they accuse someone of a "false equivalency", it's not *about* the equivalency itself. You must be wrong, because your conclusion is wrong. They see no need to actually show why any comparisons are invalid. They lead to the wrong conclusion, and therefore they are wrong.

There are numerous, really. I could point to a philosophy thread. I also make threads from time to time myself. Fancy carrying that torch aswell and make a thread on your own?

EDIT:

Ill happily invite you to the points raised above aswell (And the link!) if you are geniunely interested in that conversation. You may find that most users will react sceptically: This is because this particular complaint sort to say has been brought up numerous times, but the accusing end more often than not was not interested in a proper talk on this, and just wanted to say the same or a variant of the words you have been saying here now.

Which, for the more active users here, is kind of disappointing, since we won't get afar in an actual dialogue if the elpee is on repeat, sort to say So, care for that conversation?

So I think the big main points from your discussion is that ERA is an echo chamber due to The Names pushing such an image across, and I would agree with that. I've found myself discarding long-winded, well-thought out posts more often due to the fact I know either it will be dismissed with a "lol ok" or potentially banned because I have a differing opinion to those running the site. It is a shame and is basically repeating itself from the days before GAF blew up. Personally for me I don't like closing my eyes, but why I commented about the behaviour and actions of those here in this thread isn't that we shouldn't shut up, but that it all just seems to petty and "ex-girlfriend" that it somewhat removes the ability to speak properly.

I can definitely understand having a laugh at stupidity, I do it all the time. However with names like "reeee" and with blatant disregard for content posted just to make fun of doesn't exactly show me that GAF is becoming mature. Obviously this is just a micro slice of the site and in no way reflecting what really happens here, as its become apparent enough that the super sexist, nazi, alt-right comments of past are now gone because of proper moderation. I do agree with you that there are even those microcosms on ERA that are there because its safe for them and comfortable and more power to them. What I don't agree with is the direction ERA is going because it's become very clear that the open discussion nature promised at the beginning that would be different to GAF was a facade and it's falling away rather quickly.

ERA has its place on the Internet like anything, be it as a form of "this is what happens when extreme leftist views take over" or as a place for those to discuss like-minded attitudes. A great example of something similar is /r/fallout and /r/fo76. Both offer the same content but one is incredibly liberal and open to discussions (fallout) and the other is blatantly shilling for the game with barely any reasonable thought process in discussions (fo76). It sucks that GAF had to suffer in the wake of Tyler's shit fiasco but that is what it is. We've rebuilt, re-gathered but I think the mindset still needs some working on. I'm glad that no one is sticking fingers in ears and I certainly didn't mean to come across as that case, I just believe critical thinking needs to be relevant and thought out rather than "reeeee" responses or shitty one liners.

Should posters continue to post about stupid shit happening on ERA? Sure, I can't stop you and don't intend to. I just find it hard to participate in discussions of other sites because it always comes across as whigning (outside of posts like yours of course) because they have the shiny toys (more users/active threads) and we don't here which is what it comes across as. Yeah the traffic is fucking dead here and Tyler can claim it's the best it has ever been or whatever but it clearly is not. But "reeeeing" isn't exactly bringing that traffic or making for proper discussions and I feel that is actually hurting this site more than helping purely out of the idea of resources dictated here rather than elsewhere. Hell the only reason some threads are being bumped right now is BECAUSE ERA is down. That is super sad and hurts me to know that this site is basically a shell of itself.

On the topic of GAF, this place is way better. Took awhile to get use to the new site but it works so much better. Moderation is key and that is currently being shown as fair and surprisingly balanced by removing extremist views on either side and still allowing discussion. Content is there albeit ridiculously slow, and I do fear that it may never get better because no one either wants to or they can't like myself. At the same time what is here is the best version of GAF and I'm not sure if more content would ruin that or not. I don't believe so because there have been instituted mindsets now of how to run this place which should definitely help, but time will tell on that one.

Sorry if this all is rambling incoherency. I'm writing this at 7.13am AEST and about to get ready for work

 

[Redneckerz]

Shame you think that.


Terribly sorry it took so long, was late here in Australia


So I think the big main points from your discussion is that ERA is an echo chamber due to The Names pushing such an image across, and I would agree with that. I've found myself discarding long-winded, well-thought out posts more often due to the fact I know either it will be dismissed with a "lol ok" or potentially banned because I have a differing opinion to those running the site. It is a shame and is basically repeating itself from the days before GAF blew up. Personally for me I don't like closing my eyes, but why I commented about the behaviour and actions of those here in this thread isn't that we shouldn't shut up, but that it all just seems to petty and "ex-girlfriend" that it somewhat removes the ability to speak properly.

I can definitely understand having a laugh at stupidity, I do it all the time. However with names like "reeee" and with blatant disregard for content posted just to make fun of doesn't exactly show me that GAF is becoming mature. Obviously this is just a micro slice of the site and in no way reflecting what really happens here, as its become apparent enough that the super sexist, nazi, alt-right comments of past are now gone because of proper moderation. I do agree with you that there are even those microcosms on ERA that are there because its safe for them and comfortable and more power to them. What I don't agree with is the direction ERA is going because it's become very clear that the open discussion nature promised at the beginning that would be different to GAF was a facade and it's falling away rather quickly.

ERA has its place on the Internet like anything, be it as a form of "this is what happens when extreme leftist views take over" or as a place for those to discuss like-minded attitudes. A great example of something similar is /r/fallout and /r/fo76. Both offer the same content but one is incredibly liberal and open to discussions (fallout) and the other is blatantly shilling for the game with barely any reasonable thought process in discussions (fo76). It sucks that GAF had to suffer in the wake of Tyler's shit fiasco but that is what it is. We've rebuilt, re-gathered but I think the mindset still needs some working on. I'm glad that no one is sticking fingers in ears and I certainly didn't mean to come across as that case, I just believe critical thinking needs to be relevant and thought out rather than "reeeee" responses or shitty one liners.

Should posters continue to post about stupid shit happening on ERA? Sure, I can't stop you and don't intend to. I just find it hard to participate in discussions of other sites because it always comes across as whigning (outside of posts like yours of course) because they have the shiny toys (more users/active threads) and we don't here which is what it comes across as. Yeah the traffic is fucking dead here and Tyler can claim it's the best it has ever been or whatever but it clearly is not. But "reeeeing" isn't exactly bringing that traffic or making for proper discussions and I feel that is actually hurting this site more than helping purely out of the idea of resources dictated here rather than elsewhere. Hell the only reason some threads are being bumped right now is BECAUSE ERA is down. That is super sad and hurts me to know that this site is basically a shell of itself.

On the topic of GAF, this place is way better. Took awhile to get use to the new site but it works so much better. Moderation is key and that is currently being shown as fair and surprisingly balanced by removing extremist views on either side and still allowing discussion. Content is there albeit ridiculously slow, and I do fear that it may never get better because no one either wants to or they can't like myself. At the same time what is here is the best version of GAF and I'm not sure if more content would ruin that or not. I don't believe so because there have been instituted mindsets now of how to run this place which should definitely help, but time will tell on that one.

Sorry if this all is rambling incoherency. I'm writing this at 7.13am AEST and about to get ready for work

Ill reply to this later myself, just wanted to post that at the very least i appreciate that you provided an extensive comment, which is rather uncommon these days from the argumentative side. So, whether i share your views or not, thank you for providing it

 

[Blam]

Should posters continue to post about stupid shit happening on ERA? Sure, I can't stop you and don't intend to. I just find it hard to participate in discussions of other sites because it always comes across as whigning (outside of posts like yours of course) because they have the shiny toys (more users/active threads) and we don't here which is what it comes across as. Yeah the traffic is fucking dead here and Tyler can claim it's the best it has ever been or whatever but it clearly is not. But "reeeeing" isn't exactly bringing that traffic or making for proper discussions and I feel that is actually hurting this site more than helping purely out of the idea of resources dictated here rather than elsewhere. Hell the only reason some threads are being bumped right now is BECAUSE ERA is down. That is super sad and hurts me to know that this site is basically a shell of itself.

I mean I wouldn't say traffic is completely dead and it's gotten better, and continues to do so, but we're not reeing at everything we are pointing out hypocrisies and other stupid shit that happens on the site. It is rarely about user count if ever. Sure asking you to go back and read is sorta a heavy task especially with some long ass posts by some of the people here. ( Redneckerz looking at you )

This is totally not my conversation to bud into but I felt I should at least say something about it since it's sorta false.

 

[JetSetRadio]

This would be the best GAMING forum now if you can lure the puppets and shills back in again making topics and basically treating it like a fulltime job. It's not happening so yeah.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

This would be the best GAMING forum now if you can lure the puppets and shills back in again making topics and basically treating it like a fulltime job. It's not happening so yeah.

Ye of little faith

 

[captainraincoat]

Shame you think that.


Terribly sorry it took so long, was late here in Australia


So I think the big main points from your discussion is that ERA is an echo chamber due to The Names pushing such an image across, and I would agree with that. I've found myself discarding long-winded, well-thought out posts more often due to the fact I know either it will be dismissed with a "lol ok" or potentially banned because I have a differing opinion to those running the site. It is a shame and is basically repeating itself from the days before GAF blew up. Personally for me I don't like closing my eyes, but why I commented about the behaviour and actions of those here in this thread isn't that we shouldn't shut up, but that it all just seems to petty and "ex-girlfriend" that it somewhat removes the ability to speak properly.

I can definitely understand having a laugh at stupidity, I do it all the time. However with names like "reeee" and with blatant disregard for content posted just to make fun of doesn't exactly show me that GAF is becoming mature. Obviously this is just a micro slice of the site and in no way reflecting what really happens here, as its become apparent enough that the super sexist, nazi, alt-right comments of past are now gone because of proper moderation. I do agree with you that there are even those microcosms on ERA that are there because its safe for them and comfortable and more power to them. What I don't agree with is the direction ERA is going because it's become very clear that the open discussion nature promised at the beginning that would be different to GAF was a facade and it's falling away rather quickly.

ERA has its place on the Internet like anything, be it as a form of "this is what happens when extreme leftist views take over" or as a place for those to discuss like-minded attitudes. A great example of something similar is /r/fallout and /r/fo76. Both offer the same content but one is incredibly liberal and open to discussions (fallout) and the other is blatantly shilling for the game with barely any reasonable thought process in discussions (fo76). It sucks that GAF had to suffer in the wake of Tyler's shit fiasco but that is what it is. We've rebuilt, re-gathered but I think the mindset still needs some working on. I'm glad that no one is sticking fingers in ears and I certainly didn't mean to come across as that case, I just believe critical thinking needs to be relevant and thought out rather than "reeeee" responses or shitty one liners.

Should posters continue to post about stupid shit happening on ERA? Sure, I can't stop you and don't intend to. I just find it hard to participate in discussions of other sites because it always comes across as whigning (outside of posts like yours of course) because they have the shiny toys (more users/active threads) and we don't here which is what it comes across as. Yeah the traffic is fucking dead here and Tyler can claim it's the best it has ever been or whatever but it clearly is not. But "reeeeing" isn't exactly bringing that traffic or making for proper discussions and I feel that is actually hurting this site more than helping purely out of the idea of resources dictated here rather than elsewhere. Hell the only reason some threads are being bumped right now is BECAUSE ERA is down. That is super sad and hurts me to know that this site is basically a shell of itself.

On the topic of GAF, this place is way better. Took awhile to get use to the new site but it works so much better. Moderation is key and that is currently being shown as fair and surprisingly balanced by removing extremist views on either side and still allowing discussion. Content is there albeit ridiculously slow, and I do fear that it may never get better because no one either wants to or they can't like myself. At the same time what is here is the best version of GAF and I'm not sure if more content would ruin that or not. I don't believe so because there have been instituted mindsets now of how to run this place which should definitely help, but time will tell on that one.

Sorry if this all is rambling incoherency. I'm writing this at 7.13am AEST and about to get ready for work

Just chiming in to say that was a great thought out post but I’m going to have to disagree with a few of your points.

This thread here does have some stupid posts and I am probably guilty of some of them but in most cases The content is pretty much a direct copy of stuff from Era and its simply highlighting the absolute stupidity of not only the mods But also the people that accept this as the normal over there...having this thread is not only a great way of reminding people of what An oppressive and close minded place gaf used to be but also means for users who were banned over there to come back to reflect and actually look at things from a different angle.

Era was founded as a result of a bunch of users who maliciously undermined this site in order to push through an extreme left narrative
Its become pretty clear over the last 12 months that this place had people actively sabotaging things and some half assed story about Evilore was pushed through as the narrative (which has still never been proven) as
The reason for the mods resigning and the site imploding…the reality is these mods were the ones who were stealth banning people and promoting and creating an environment which was toxic And not a very fun place to read and post….these same people then ended up as mods and names over at Era…and guess what…the same stuff that was happening here is going on over there…

Funny about that.

The reality is that a large chunk of this userbase fell for the bait and promise of a fresh open and free place to post and didn’t actually look at the captains of their new ship and now you are seeing first hand What the place really is and you have no real way of changing that as the site was built around that lie.

There is no question that this place is a shell of what it once was but gaf took years to become established and this was done through good moderation and quality posters
And from what I have seen over the last 12 months this is starting to happen…many would argee that having pages and pages of active threads and things updating so quickly is a great thing But as someone who lurked here for many years prior to joining many years ago the slower pace is actually what made this place great to begin with as you could invest more time in the threads and appreciate the users And their experiences and while not all posts are up to the high standards of some they are not thrown to the wolves and they learn and grow from their mistakes…this is what creates a great forum and this in turn brings in more users and the place grows.

Just because there are a ton of traffic running through a site does not mean it’s healthy

Era’s unique post count has not gone above 7500 in the last 6 months and from Aug to Nov the member count has only gone from 40k to 41k…when we look at the average Bans handed out per month has been nudging 1k..they are almost banning more users then they are gaining.

You can disregard all the above because there are indeed more users posting threads which are interesting and unique on era but the core of your apple your defending is rotten and is slowly rotting away

Only a matter of time…….in the meantime this thread is the moviechair with the popcorn bucket and the place we can sit back and reflect and say..”Glad we are not like that”

Once again Appreciate your feedback and the time you have invested in replying in here

Edit
Sorry about formatting...new phone

 

[Kagey K]

Someone brought this post to my attention and I’m curious if anyone can link me to the threads he’s talking about or is he just making shit up?

I visited the old place and, man, there's just such naked racism. Like whole threads dedicated to promoting white power videos.

A gay user posted a thread about how threatened they felt, and Evilore just lectured her on how it was her fault she was such a snowflake even as other posters in the thread questioned her right to exist.

But ultimately, the site is a bunch of alt-right 4channers gawping at the novelty of being "on the inside" and pushing the envelope of GAF's increasingly desiccated corpse as far as they can go whilst Evilore screams to anyone who will listen that it's their fault for not being able to handle alternative viewpoints.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Someone brought this post to my attention and I’m curious if anyone can link me to the threads he’s talking about or is he just making shit up?

Honestly, I’ve never seen any of this and I feel the vast majority would report this stuff.

But it’s not real anyway. You can’t even call it a misinterpretation of events here. It’s just 100% lies.

Straight up liar. And if you have to lie to get your point across, your point is bullshit.

 

[Kagey K]

Honestly, I’ve never seen any of this and I feel the vast majority would report this stuff.

But it’s not real anyway. You can’t even call it a misinterpretation of events here. It’s just 100% lies.

Straight up liar. And if you have to lie to get your point across, your point is bullshit.

I thought so. I tend to jump around the forum a lot but mostly avoid politics so I thought maybe I had missed something there.

Something about it didn’t sound right to me. Why make something up that can be so easily disputed?

 

[JordanN]

Someone brought this post to my attention and I’m curious if anyone can link me to the threads he’s talking about or is he just making shit up?

You have to remember Reset uses double speak.

Anything that is to the right of Joseph Stalin is considered "white power" to them.

Even centrists like Boogie2988 are still seen as worse than Hitler. It's useless talking to Reset about politics, because everything is Nazi to them.

Meanwhile, they'll dismiss the actual racism that originates from the their leadership.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I thought so. I tend to jump around the forum a lot but mostly avoid politics so I thought maybe I had missed something there.

Something about it didn’t sound right to me. Why make something up that can be so easily disputed?

Who’s gonna dispute it there? Just pats on the back.

 

[fantomena]

You have to remember Reset uses double speak.

Anything that is to the right of Joseph Stalin is considered "white power" to them.

Even centrists like Boogie2988 are still seen as worse than Hitler. It's useless talking to Reset about politics, because everything is Nazi to them..

That reads like a load of bullshit, unless you can provide me enough proof that can back it up.

Easy counterpoint to your Stalin argument: ERA likes Obama and Clinton. Both are pretty conservative in many ways, especially Obama.

 

[JordanN]

Speak of the devil. Here is a post that confirms everything I just said.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tu...t-on-december-17th.84770/page-6#post-15614229

Reset calls everyone Hitler. Don't fall for their tricks.

Edit: Here's another brainwashed zealot spouting the same thing.

Trust me, I know how SJW's think. They can't outsmart me, because I always aim to be one step ahead of them.

 

[fantomena]

Speak of the devil. Here is a post that confirms everything I just said.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tu...t-on-december-17th.84770/page-6#post-15614229

Reset calls everyone Hitler. Don't fall for their tricks.

So Pop-O-Matic speaks for the thousands of registered users? He/she speaks for me?

Also, that's no proof for the Stalin argument or Boogie argument about him being worse than Hitler.

Trust me,

No.

I know how SJW's think. They can't outsmart me, because I always aim to be one step ahead of them.

You sound very narcisstic and you are being very full of yourself.

 

[JordanN]

So Pop-O-Matic speaks for the thousands of registered users? He/she speaks for me?

You can't force me to quote every single Resetera poster ever and ask them the same question.
I presented evidence, so I wont speak anymore on this subject.

 

[fantomena]

You can't force me to quote every single Resetera poster ever and ask them the same question.
I presented evidence, so I wont speak anymore on this subject.

lol

I asked you for proof of your Stalin argument and Boogie being worse than Hitler. You provided nothing.

I can't force you of course, the fact that you won't even speak anything more about this subject makes you look like you only wrote tales from your ass, you know you don't have anything that provides proof for the Stalin and Boogie arguments, so you are backing out, because if you did have proof, why couldn't you just show me? You asked me to trust me (I assume you meant me in your post about trust?). What's a good way to gain trust? Proof.

 

[captainraincoat]

lol

I asked you for proof of your Stalin argument and Boogie being worse than Hitler. You provided nothing.

I can't force you of course, the fact that you won't even speak anything more about this subject makes you look like you only wrote tales from your ass, you know you don't have anything that provides proof for the Stalin and Boogie arguments, so you are backing out, because if you did have proof, why couldn't you just show me? You asked me to trust me (I assume you meant me in your post about trust?). What's a good way to gain trust? Proof.

Wow first google search and it's a locked boogie thread with his head on a pike
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bo...age-equality-anita-and-charlottesville.50764/

Edit
Someone able to screengrab some of those posts (I'm on a phone)...pretty sure I saw nazi in there

 

[JORMBO]

Speak of the devil. Here is a post that confirms everything I just said.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tu...t-on-december-17th.84770/page-6#post-15614229

Reset calls everyone Hitler. Don't fall for their tricks.

Edit: Here's another brainwashed zealot spouting the same thing.

Trust me, I know how SJW's think. They can't outsmart me, because I always aim to be one step ahead of them.

Nazis have taken over the Internet? How does one even begin to believe some of the stuff that goes through their heads.

 

[Acerac]

Shame you think that.

I am thrilled to be wrong. Hats off to you, you take a route many others ignore. If more of those from ERA took the well thought out approach you went with this thread would be a fraction of it's current size.

I will offer a disagreement when it comes to referring to ERA as Reeee.... that's not GAF's idea, you can find much larger sites using it to describe whiners throughout the net. The fact that it fits perfectly with ERA's name is too wonderful of a coincidence to ignore, you know?

Still, even with that quibble, way to step up with that response.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Someone brought this post to my attention and I’m curious if anyone can link me to the threads he’s talking about or is he just making shit up?

the site is a bunch of alt-right 4channers gawping at the novelty of being "on the inside"

What did he mean by this?

 

[888]

Nazis have taken over the Internet? How does one even begin to believe some of the stuff that goes through their heads.

Nazis. Nazis everywhere! Lol. These people are a joke.

 

[ULTROS!]

A site that rivals this place and Resetera for garbage Sony fanboy central.

I always thought it's a Nintendo dominated site (Era). I mean I see soooooooo many threads about Nintendo and how it changed their life and how every little tiny thing and experience is like a goddamn mind blowing thing next to reaching Nirvana.