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monchi-kun said:
SO.....TORN!!!!! I'm turning into a serious gear slut which is sad since i should be able to emulate most of these sounds in Reason
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Maybe, but the hardware will always sound and feel better than in the box synths!
 
monchi-kun said:
I have Logic and Reason, i don't think i'm using either to their full potential. I believe you can patch instruments together in either program. Reason does it in a way that makes sense and allows you to learn the ins and outs of creating sound from scratch, its a very visual approach to patching where you literally drag and drop cables from one module to the next. You could (in theory) use a synth module to feed control voltage (CV) or modulation data into another which can then feed into another and so on. This allows you to create some far out shit in Reason.

Logic has this thing called the "Environment" where you could potentially patch together different. it's not very visual which makes it hard for n00bs like me to work in. This is why I run both programs with Logic as the host and Reason as a slave.

Do you know if Garage Band supports ReWire?
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im not sure, i don't know what ReWire is? I havent had much luck with extras working in garageband. ive got all the jampacks, made my own instruments and gotten a couple plugins to work but its been sort of a struggle. thats why i want to use logic.
 
btkadams said:
im not sure, i don't know what ReWire is? I havent had much luck with extras working in garageband. ive got all the jampacks, made my own instruments and gotten a couple plugins to work but its been sort of a struggle. thats why i want to use logic.
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At some point you will come to a standstill in GB. Those entry level programs are designed with limits, so that they tease you, and eventually you'll drop cash on the full. But don't expect Logic to be any easier to run. You should know yor way around GB before moving on, because it only gets more complicated.

Rewire allows you to run one program thru another. Many people, for ex. run Reason into Cubase for it's audio file handling capabilities.
 
lil smoke said:
At some point you will come to a standstill in GB. Those entry level programs are designed with limits, so that they tease you, and eventually you'll drop cash on the full. But don't expect Logic to be any easier to run. You should know yor way around GB before moving on, because it only gets more complicated.

Rewire allows you to run one program thru another. Many people, for ex. run Reason into Cubase for it's audio file handling capabilities.
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ive pretty much come to a standstill in garageband thats why i want to upgrade. its a fantastic program and ive come to be able to create some pretty awesome songs in it, but i feel like i need more freedom. i just don't have much knowledge on the technical side so its going to be really hard for me but in order for me to grow further with my music i've got to upgrade to something better. its not that im not understanding how to work plugins and such in gb, its that they arent compatible, buggy, etc.
 
btkadams said:
ive pretty much come to a standstill in garageband thats why i want to upgrade. its a fantastic program and ive come to be able to create some pretty awesome songs in it, but i feel like i need more freedom. i just don't have much knowledge on the technical side so its going to be really hard for me but in order for me to grow further with my music i've got to upgrade to something better. its not that im not understanding how to work plugins and such in gb, its that they arent compatible, buggy, etc.
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I see. Yeah maybe it is time to move on then!

The reason why some plug-ins may not work might have to do with the way you install them. Some plugs want to be in your USER:/AUDIO folder, some want to be in LIBRARY:/AUDIO, of course for GB and Logic, plugs need to be AU format, not VST or RTAS. Some older plugs just won't work if they arent Universal. Just so you know that some stuff just won't work either way. I have never used GB so I don't know how friendly it is, but definitely check to make sure that the problems are compatibility issues. Also free plug-ins can be buggy. Use them from trusty companies, always check to see if there is a user forum 1st. I have lost a few projects due to crap freeware, so I don't use them unless they are from CM Magazine.

You should look into whether you prefer VST plug-in availablility vs. AU. That is a driving factor in choosing software. The software you choose has lasting implications as to what will be compatible. Some things run better on Cubase than Logic and vice versa.

It is a very important decision, do your research before jumping into a new DAW.
 
lil smoke said:
I see. Yeah maybe it is time to move on then!

The reason why some plug-ins may not work might have to do with the way you install them. Some plugs want to be in your USER:/AUDIO folder, some want to be in LIBRARY:/AUDIO, of course for GB and Logic, plugs need to be AU format, not VST or RTAS. Some older plugs just won't work if they arent Universal. Just so you know that some stuff just won't work either way. I have never used GB so I don't know how friendly it is, but definitely check to make sure that the problems are compatibility issues. Also free plug-ins can be buggy. Use them from trusty companies, always check to see if there is a user forum 1st. I have lost a few projects due to crap freeware, so I don't use them unless they are from CM Magazine.

You should look into whether you prefer VST plug-in availablility vs. AU. That is a driving factor in choosing software. The software you choose has lasting implications as to what will be compatible. Some things run better on Cubase than Logic and vice versa.

It is a very important decision, do your research before jumping into a new DAW.
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hmm i still have the plugins on my comp but i dont think they are in the user audio folder ill check to see if thats the issue.

and the new DAW isn't as big a deal as youd think (if youre thinking forking out the cash). my brother has reason, ableton live and logic so i can just install his. but i do understand its a huge undertaking to learn how to use these professional programs. im a smart individual who's very musically inclined so i think i can push through it with time.

EDIT: theyre in both folders, i put them there. and they still dont show up in garageband.
 
Before you pick a DAW to use just figure out what you'd be using it for. Logic is a solid traditional DAW but Ableton Live's approach to song creation is leagues better with the session view. Plus it's pretty useful in a live setting as you can make changes to your song on the fly.

I'm debating on upgrading my Ableton Live license to 7.0....
 
hmm... i dont think id be that into the live thing as im not going to be performing anywhere.... but then again id like to be able to just jam in my room and change things ont he fly so maybe ableton would be better? is logic more along the lines of garageband where you're making a song to listen to not to mix?
 
In hindsight I should have just upgraded Ableton Live rather than buying Logic Studio but then again who knows what future updates will bring.

You can download a 14 day trial for Ableton Live and see if its workflow is for you. At the end of the day your audience will never know the difference between what you use to create your music.

workflow

workflow

workflow
 
btkadams said:
hmm... i dont think id be that into the live thing as im not going to be performing anywhere.... but then again id like to be able to just jam in my room and change things ont he fly so maybe ableton would be better?
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'Live' is kind of a bad name for Ableton because it's equally as good for production as it is for performance. Get the demo here:

http://www.ableton.com/free-trial

I bought Live 7 basic as I use NI's Komplete synths so I didn't need any Ableton synths and now I can't imagine needing anything else, unless I ever started doing some seriously high-end external tracking in which case I'd have to check out Pro Tools, but Ableton is the goods.
 
man, i had a limited edition reverse key microKORG in my shopping cart and when i checked out the item vanished...SOLD OUT!!!!!

i guess this means i should get a MOPHO
 
monchi-kun said:
man, i had a limited edition reverse key microKORG in my shopping cart and when i checked out the item vanished...SOLD OUT!!!!!

i guess this means i should get a MOPHO
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you get that and ill get the microKORG. we'll be like opposites tehe
 
If anyone is interested.

International Music Software Trade Association (IMSTA) is conducting a survey to hear what music software users have to say about software piracy. To reduce piracy, they have to know what people think about the subject and how they feel about it.

Here is the link to the "IMSTA Survey" page.

IMSTA survey

Their goal is to have as much feedback as possible

So give it to them!
 
survey filled out.

I left them a long comment which I will repost here:

Music software companies should look at the free-to-play design adopted by many online games. They should release software that's fully functional for free which allows users to create and share music. Each user able to create music with your free "robust" app becomes a potential advertiser for your product.

Just like free-to-play games, there will be users who will want more advanced functionality, they will be receptive to spending more money to enhance their experience. Software companies should take a modular approach to this and allow users to buy content suited for their needs. Users are usually hesitant to upgrade to a power-version of their app because they feel like they are paying for features they may not use.

Give us free powerful apps and sell modules and not upgrades!
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the survey is really bias in the way a couple of the questions are worded. so what if i put up MY songs on the internet for people to download? and i personally believe its ok for me to buy a cd and then my mom says she likes one of the songs so i burn that song on a cd for her. i know it's technically illegal but fuck piracy is so technical.

i do believe in paying for music software.

EDIT: monchi-kun i agree with you fully.
 
Personally I think there is plenty of free software out there. There are also entry level software that is limited. In terms of Cubase, there are like 6 "stepping stone" versions before you get to Nuendo.

My angle is simply, if I paid, then everyone else should.

My second angle is, if you can't afford it, then wait until you can. That's what motivates me to work hard everyday in life.
 
lil smoke said:
My angle is simply, if I paid, then everyone else should.
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Nothing against you, but that statement would only be valid if everyone made the same amount of money as you. As an example: Just because you can afford the cost of living doesn't mean everyone else can, thus we have welfare/food stamps/gov't assistance.

In reverse, (I feel) there is not enough free software available to create on (and what is is way too hard to locate for the average person). Music is the fundamental tool for all societies. When we limit creation to the rich, the poor are left with no voice.
 
pirahna1 said:
Nothing against you, but that statement would only be valid if everyone made the same amount of money as you. As an example: Just because you can afford the cost of living doesn't mean everyone else can, thus we have welfare/food stamps/gov't assistance.

In reverse, (I feel) there is not enough free software available to create on (and what is is way too hard to locate for the average person). Music is the fundamental tool for all societies. When we limit creation to the rich, the poor are left with no voice.
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well said. thats why i respect apple a lot for having a program as deep and easy to use as garageband on every mac. is there a free program similar on windows?
 
pirahna1 said:
Nothing against you, but that statement would only be valid if everyone made the same amount of money as you. As an example: Just because you can afford the cost of living doesn't mean everyone else can, thus we have welfare/food stamps/gov't assistance.

In reverse, (I feel) there is not enough free software available to create on (and what is is way too hard to locate for the average person). Music is the fundamental tool for all societies. When we limit creation to the rich, the poor are left with no voice.
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Relativity.

There are people that make MUCH more than me and can afford SSL consoles and Neve Pres and Waves Plug-in bundles.

It does not change the principle at all. I prefer to work until I can afford those things. Until then I simply can not have an SSL or Neve sound.

I agree there should be more options. Piracy IMO is not a viable option at all.
 
there are 2 ways to approach piracy and the one dominant response is to become more guarded. this act also increases the value of pirating software. the free-to-play (as long as its not super gimped) approach would deter piracy and the low cost of modular sales would not carry a heavy burden for people especially if buying the module qualifies you for customer support and bug fixes.
 
pirahna1 said:
Just because you can afford the cost of living doesn't mean everyone else can, thus we have welfare/food stamps/gov't assistance.
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BTW Let me just throw in that I grew up on welfare. I worked extremely hard to earn the things I have.
 
I caned the shit out every DAW and VST I could get my hands on when I started out to figure out what I liked best. Once I finally knew what I needed (Ableton 7 basic + NI Komplete Synths) and was 100% sure that producing was gonna be a long-term hobby and not a flash in the pan like my other discarded hobbies then I laid out the cash for what I wanted.

Music software is costly stuff, so I can understand why people just experimenting with production wouldn't want to spring for licenses right off the bat but once you're grounded and you've got your workflow sorted, yeah definitely time to give back to the devs. I'm a big fan of VSTis these days, once I realised how much all my outboard gear (synth, compressor, effects etc) was getting in the way of my workflow I flogged it off and went 100% software and I don't think I'd ever go back now.
 
nope, just punched a few settings and just let the pattern run. the only thing i actually played with are the different instrument variables
 
monchi-kun said:
nope, just punched a few settings and just let the pattern run. the only thing i actually played with are the different instrument variables
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interesting, im going to screw around with reason this weekend and see if i can get the hang of it.
 
Ah man.. I missed the deadline (and start) for GAME 3 too didn't I? I guess I don't check off-topic discussion often enough :/

Well there's always GAME 4 I hope :)
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
So what's going on with 3.1? Is tonight the deadline?
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Yeah, but nothing new came in. Just get er in when you're ready, if it won't make this one, then it'll make 3.2. Thankfully this one can be full of the ones already remixed so it won't be an entirely skimpy release.
 
FightyF said:
Yeah, but nothing new came in. Just get er in when you're ready, if it won't make this one, then it'll make 3.2. Thankfully this one can be full of the ones already remixed so it won't be an entirely skimpy release.
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I'm mostly done with the composition, just need to get through the tweaking. If I could have another day or two I could probably make it happen.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
I'm mostly done with the composition, just need to get through the tweaking. If I could have another day or two I could probably make it happen.
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Yeah just try to get it to me by tomorrow night.
 
My track's done, I just need to get it up to volume. How do I go about doing that? EG. My mix is SUPER quiet compared to 3.0's songs. I'll have to mess around with some compression settings I spose. Now that I think of it, I think my last track was quiet too.

I'll try to get them both in by tomorrow night. I was bogged with work today :(

EDIT: Got em cleaned up. I'mma up the wavs to Zshare and my MP3s to Soundcloud to let you all hear my final mixes. I think they turned out OK with my completely amateur mixing/mastering skills. I used this tutorial for final compression help: http://sonictransfer.com/compression-house-tutorial-oscilloscope.shtml
 
I'm gonna get rich off you, my first book is gonna be 'Electronica production secrets I stoled from monchi'

1. Punch a few settings and let the pattern run.
2. Wait for track to grow on you.
3. Wrap it up with EQ tweaks.
4. ????
5. Profit!!

:D
 
While everyone's giving away production secrets, there's this effect that everyone uses where a loop ends with an echo, it's shown up in a couple of G.A.M.E. tracks and like every trance song ever.

Are you guys automating the echo to kick in on the last loop, or just repeating the last note while fading the volume? Both work, but it's so common I get the feeling there's some effect or plugin that's used.
 
You're spot on, for an easy tempo delay I usually cut'n'paste whatever I want to be the tail and then automate the fade.

edit - you could also do it by automating either the 'effect on' or wet/dry of your delay but it's quicker to do it my way and it doesn't need resampling or bouncing down after.
 
The one effect i'd love to emulate but haven't figured out how is the grain shifter on the Electribe EMX. Hard to describe but what it does is grab on to whatever sound is active at the moment and loops it. You could even control the resolution or granularity of the loop.

so much easier to do this with hardware running as an effect loop (mini KAOSS PAD) but i just can't seem to construct the ideal environment to pull this off....
 
Beat Repeat in Ableton sounds like what you're after, there's a Grain Delay in there too if Beat Repeat doesn't fill the bill.
 
Title: ASGSYS
Author: monchi-kun
Website: http://web.mac.com/baka.saru/Music/Baka_Saru.html
Genre: Electronic
Sofware: Reason 4.0
Hardware: Mac Pro, Novation ReMOTE 49SL Compact
About the track: Ah, Reason, my first foray into digital audio, how i missed you. Decided to go simple and pick a few automated sequenced instruments in Reason. I simply manipulated instrument parameters this time rather than create a melody from scratch and i'm surprised by the musicality that happens from tweaking knobs and sliders.

download: ASGSYS
 
Got the tracks but haven't been able to put it together. I slept early last night to take extra advantage of the extra hour of sleep but ever since I woke up I've been throwing up. Don't know if it's food poisoning, but I've had it before and it's nearly as bad. I just hope I can go to work tomorrow because it's getting busy.

I'll keep you guys updated on the progress.
 
hey guys im looking for an effect thats somewhat like a reverse reverb (maybe thats the name? lol) im just pulling shit out of my ass trying to describe it. here's an example, its the effect thats being put on the piano and how it almost seems to suck into the note.

CLICK HERE FOR EFFECT GOODNESS
 
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