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Official Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix thread
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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otake said:
I'm kinda fed up of the delay too, but I'll definitely buy this.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Im gonna end up buying this game just out of sheer curiosity to see how fucked up it is, honestly.
RadarScope1
Member
The people who keep saying that they've lost interest in this game because of the delay crack me up. I agree that the delays have been annoying and mystifying, but ... we're talking about a game that was released in fucking 1994.
So you're keenly interested in a remake of a 13 year old game, but not a 14 year old game? :lol
I don't buy any arguments about SF4 coming out soon, either. This a stone cold classic, one of if not the best, 2D fighters. Either you want to play it or you don't.
So you're keenly interested in a remake of a 13 year old game, but not a 14 year old game? :lol
I don't buy any arguments about SF4 coming out soon, either. This a stone cold classic, one of if not the best, 2D fighters. Either you want to play it or you don't.
Ken Masters
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do not bump this thread when there is nothing to talk about, edit: if they are JUST NOW updating the online to this new tech, then this game won't come out until December at the earliest
over 1 year has been spent talking about a DL game which has gotten progressively worse every time it's been shown
over 1 year has been spent talking about a DL game which has gotten progressively worse every time it's been shown
yurinka
Member
Unlimited players worldwide through great on-line, lots of stats, tourneys etc gives the game another dimension. Also there are severall other very insteresting improvements with the remake process.RadarScope1 said:
For me, they can delay it as they want, if the final game deserves it. Is better a great delayed game than a non-delayed shit.
Ned Flanders
Banned
GrayFoxPL said:
Sold.
otake said:
Yeah, I just went back to the other5 versions of SSF2T I have and have lost all real sense of anticipation.
SF4 is the new hotness, when SSF2THD was announced SF4 wasn't revealed/unknown quantity/quality.
I'll buy it when it comes out, and I'll play it, but by then SF4 will be taking up all of my time. The window for SSF2HD to take center stage has passed.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Sapiens said:
My money is on incompetence
"Who knew making fighting games would be so hard? What? You mean we cant just redraw every single frame as detailed as we want, what is this "animation thing you keep talking about? Drawings need to be consistent with each other are you fucking kidding me?!?"
etc
RadarScope1
Member
Jirotrom said:
I would think so, or at least hope so. Capcom has been the top digital publisher on consoles, and I think it realizes the potential of a game like this. With Sirlin helming the remake and the producer of SF4 stating that online play is the future of fighting games, I think they are leaving nothing to chance. It's one of the most played and respected games of all time. Anything less than 100 percent will be shit and gamers will pass on buying it, just like they did Soul Calibur on XBLA.
Incompetence is too harsh.Raging Spaniard said:
These UDON guys, they're comic dudes. They're used to having leeway in their schedules, the ability to slave over a piece of art for an extended period of time. That's not to say there are no deadlines, true believers. You don't have to tell me.
I'm just saying that the kind of art UDON does is pretty far removed from the grindhouse assembly line work of putting together game assets. I'm sure they're working very, very hard. They're just not great at that kind of work.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Draft said:
My wording may be too harsh, Ill apologize for that (never know who reads these)
However, when it comics to comic book deadlines, I disagree. Ive seen it first hand since I went to comic book college and then graduated with a 2d animation degree. There are NO harsher deadlines than comic book deadlines, its an insane amount of work to make a page a day for a comic book, 22 pages each month, whatever, and then add the fact that you need to stay on top of your game and make those pages awesome, its a tough ass job. Animation deadlines are tough too, but not on the same level. In animation you usually delegate more than you do in comics, while a comic book artist sometimes is in charge of layout-pencils-inks-color, in animation you have separate guys for everything as a rule (the rough animation guys will never really bother with clean-up) Even under the basic Comic Book workload, the penciller alone has a great responsibility since hes the designer, the layout artist, the penciller and he adds the lighting information for the inker. Its really hard work.
What I think you're getting into are two very big craft differences. In comic books you focus on storytelling, posing, paneling and as much rendering as you have time to do. Those are the priorities. In animation you focus on two things mostly: movement and consistency. In comic books is easy to stay consistent since you will draw one character perhaps 50 times in one story. In animation you will draw that character 30 times PER SECOND of animation, its really hard making sure your characters face doesn't start morphing all of a sudden in the middle of a cycle :lol When Comic Book artists get into animation, thats one area of great struggle. Another is that they dont pay enough attention to the movement. Usually the key drawings will be great, but when it comes to adding the movement between the idle pose and the first keyframe of a high kick, that's when the quality drops substantially (in most cases)
Granted, for the purposes of reanimating a 16-bit game, the animation knowledge doesn't have to be that great (which, in retrospect is why a 3rd strike remake by Udon sounds kind of ridiculous, since the number of animations in that game is so much greater) but the growing pains have been evident from the number of newbie mistakes that have been shown. Udon style of art is also its biggest enemy. The way Udon comics usually draw SF characters is very unappealing for animation. Muscles are invented on the go, anatomy is always different to go with the perspective of the illustration, characters are not individual enough (they all share the same noses, ears and jawlines usually) A ot of these things can make for great illustrative work, but once again when it comes down to best practices for 2D animation, shit hits the fan.
I do give them respect for giving this a shot though, that's totally cool. I'm just disappointed at the results.
Bah, sorry for the rant, this stuff hits close to home is all.
Arpharmd B
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RadarScope1 said:
Soul Calibur sold really good on XBLA.
I'd love to see more DC games ported over as nicely as SC.
Back to topic. I was excited at first, but after playing the beta and Udons blah style, I'd just have much rather had a GGPO online Super Turbo with nothing new added, for 400-800 points. I think alot of us would.
For all the development time and money they spent (wasted), we could have had 3rd Strike, ST, Alpha 2 and 3, Marvel, who knows, put on the service with online play for 400-800. The community would have ate that shit up
MobiusPigeon
Banned
someone was able to bait the release out of a dev on the beta forums, seems like november.
Raging Spaniard said:
Uh... right. *groan*
People that rant about how hard their work is lose so many notches in my book.
You may not be the only one with a tough job! For real!
Just relax, they'll get the game to you guys when they decide it's ready, no sooner, no later. I'm fairly certain that your threats not to buy the game (or at least, certainly not enjoy buying the game) are falling on deaf ears, or at least not Capcom's.
prodystopian
Member
MobiusPigeon said:
Great update to this thread. Thanks.
If it is in November, I don't know how I feel about getting it. On one hand, who knows if SF4 will actually be out in February and there aren't any new fighters I currently want to play. On the other, there are a lot of games I want to play in that time frame. Tough call.
MobiusPigeon
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theres this teeny tiny rush called thanksgiving/christmas that kinda...how would you say it...brings in all kindsa new console owners as well as monies from the older as well as these newer console owners. that may have something to do with it. just a little. I mean they could wait until next august when its slow again. i dunno what they're thinking. :lolNakazato said:
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
poweld said:
Uh, right STFU if you dont know what the fuck you're talking about. The Joe Kubert School is a staple in the industry of Comic Books and many industry professionals have come out of it, just because you dont take it seriously doesnt mean its not well respected and indicative of its industry. Also, for real, the comic book industry is easily one of the hardest industires to break into, look at all the jobs available and the amount of people who want to be in it, its a very big sacrifice to be part of it, due to the deadlines and amount of work needed to even get a gig.
Jirotrom said:
I buy every video game with SF stamped on it.
I already own Super Turbo as:
3D0 version (bought new, full price)
Saturn SF Collection (bought new, full price)
PS1 SF Collection (bought new, full price)
Capcom Classics Vol 2 PS2 (bought new, full price)
Capcom Classics Vol 2 Xbox (bought new, full price)
So of course I'll buy this too.
shouamabane
Member
Fatghost said:
I'll match this and raise you the Gameboy Advance version. Sadly.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
poweld said:
I think you're misunderstanding, unless you're an artist you really cant relate to this. Somebody brought up a point where they said that animation was harder than making comic books and I brought up the differences, because many people don't know how hard the comic book industry is.
Of course many other jobs are tougher, that's not my point. What Im saying is that in the art field, the comic book industry is brutal: You work 60 hour weeks easy, take no weekends, no holidays, get paid about 25 bucks a page and job security is shit.... plus you have to keep your artwork top notch and interesting and new, which is another crazy challenge in and out itself.
And btw, Im not in the field, I work in videogames.
Raging Spaniard said:
If I misconstrued your words, then I apologize. I've never had an easy time understanding artists. Working on teams with them (I'm a programmer) always seems to lead to misunderstandings and disagreements. Then again, I think that's just because the few I've worked with believed that they knew more of my craft than I do (when I would never dream of doing the same to them).
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
poweld said:
Well, what else is new? Here at EA we have the same problem with some artists who assume to know too much, I tend to just stick to what I know, works better for me. Being an engineer is tough shit I'm sure, its never pretty when we hit alpha here (or beta, for that matter, lolz)
http://streetfighterblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/street-fighter-blog-interviews-rey.html
Didn't see this posted anywhere. They are working on fixing the bugs found in open beta and should announcing release date soon.
Didn't see this posted anywhere. They are working on fixing the bugs found in open beta and should announcing release date soon.
KingJ2002
Member
it's taken from the gamespot san francisco street fighter tournament.. it's all off screen... but it's good to look at some videos that doesnt include ryu and ken... it also shows off other remade stages as well... lookin good.
Fei Long Vs. Sagat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaEcfxq_vq8
Guile Vs. Vega:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9a788RAdO8
Vega Vs. Chun-Li:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_SCH_OPffA
Fei Long Vs. Sagat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaEcfxq_vq8
Guile Vs. Vega:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9a788RAdO8
Vega Vs. Chun-Li:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_SCH_OPffA
Freedom = $1.05
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Can't believe this has been in development for at least a year and a half.
2 Minutes Turkish
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I can't work out people complaining about it's release schedule in relation to SF4.
What does it matter? One is a full retail release one is a cheap Arcade game? Buy both for fucks sake if you love Street Fighter.
These are both no brainers for me, I dont see where the issues are coming from. Delays? Every fucking game has delays, get over it.
What does it matter? One is a full retail release one is a cheap Arcade game? Buy both for fucks sake if you love Street Fighter.
These are both no brainers for me, I dont see where the issues are coming from. Delays? Every fucking game has delays, get over it.