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Ohio School Shooter gives no damns at sentencing
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He should not be able to enjoy life.
Spider from Mars
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Because wishing rape on anybody is disgusting. Prisoners should be treated like human beings and mental health and education should be a focus for those who can gain from it. I guess it just comes down to what you believe the role of prison is.
maximize his value to society? since when has the purpose of the state (or the criminal justice system, even) been to maximize utility?
Rajack
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He hopes to waste the State of Ohio's time, money, and torture the families of the kids he brutally executed. He plans to take down as many people as he can with him. If even one of the poor souls that survived his carnage commits suicide, its his victory. They should never allow him to taste that victory.
Tax dollars. Give him the guillotine and end it.
Monocle
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Why shouldn't people be allowed to torture others who have harmed them? Do we have to reinvent ethics from square one every time the subject of the justice system is brought up? People sure like to play dumb about the value and character of basic human decency when it comes to punishing criminals.
So how far do we go to ensure he remains miserable? Is it OK to smash his feet if he seems to take some small comfort in pacing from wall to wall in his cell?
Why not drop all pretenses and admit that you don't care about fairness or respecting basic human rights here? This is about revenge, and revenge has no place in a modern system of justice.
Be careful. In depriving others of their rights you forfeit your own. If we want to recognize the concept of inalienable human rights in our society, we have to apply them to all people or none. If you were to find yourself on the other side of the bars, you probably wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the importance of preserving this standard.
I don't advocate prison rape, but I fail to see why anyone needs to educate or help this person. He is and always will be human trash.
I don't see how it is unethical to let him fester in solitary confinement. Nor do I see any reason why rehabilitation is even worth anything in this case.
windowlurker
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Those wishing rape for this kid seriously need to watch HBO's 'Oz'
I guess the general idea is to understand how did he become human trash in the first place? What went wrong? Can we risk more people turning out like this?
Spider from Mars
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You don't see any ethical issue with placing mentally ill people in a place that will only make them worse instead of even attempting to help them?
Ken Masters
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As sick and evil as he is I still don't wish death on him
Yeah I would, provided they hadn't murdered people.
windowlurker
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Gets parole, kills a man taking a piss using the short urinal. Yeah, maybe we should have killed this gigantic husk of shit.
grandjedi6
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I don't think this kid fully understands the life he is about to endure in prison.
that or he does and he's coping by being even more despicable for attention.
that or he does and he's coping by being even more despicable for attention.
nailbombxx
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How did this guy get a gun?
His accommodations should be worse than someone living below the poverty line.
Which is exactly what this kid did.
Ninja Scooter
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Don't know how it works in Ohio, but considering how high profile this case was isn't it likely he will spend the rest of his life in protected custody? I know people that work in the prison system out here in California and from what I've been told a lot of the high profile people (Manson, obviously but also Scott Peterson and Phil Spector) have like ZERO contact with the other inmates. So much for those rape fantasies people were having earlier in this thread I guess.
Or he's just a twisted fuck and really doesn't care.
Spider from Mars
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Aren't those people the ones that could potentially gain the most from treatment? Or should we just treat our prisoners like shit and then release them back into society and wonder why our re incarceration rates are so high?
I consider myself a very passive individual, a very non-violent person.
But this fucking guy? I would rather him be beaten and raped for the rest of his miserable life then get off with a bullet in the head.
The fuck is that kid. He needs complete treatment. Wouldn't mind if he gets imprisoned for ever and ever.
Yeah, in a sense, he doesn't deserve death. Not that anyone does but especially not him.
Yeah, in a sense, he doesn't deserve death. Not that anyone does but especially not him.
adamsappel
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Why do you think prison is fun? Because of a communal, cable tv? 3 square meals a day? Is it the prison rape?
Though I advocate for this man's death, I don't think a prison sentence should be engineered to torture and drive convicts insane. Remember, there are innocent people in jail, and the prison atmosphere you design for the multiple-murderer is also the one you sentence the pot-smokers and tax cheats to. As far as that goes, I think prisons should be entirely segregated by similar convict classes.
Why not rehabilitate prisoners? It makes them less violent. Realizing the enormity of your crime is one of the goals of rehabilitation! Would you rather he spend his time exercising so he can prey on weaker prisoners or getting a diploma? Join the Aryan Nation or the prison chess club?
There is never a good moment in prison that isn't really shitty compared to being free.
Laughing Banana
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Well, if he caused death to any of your loved ones or the most important persons of your life, then dare I venture that you wouldn't also be so quick to value the importance of preserving such standard?
Not that I disagree with you, however. It's just, if I'm being honest here, I don't know if I will still sing the same tune if this guy killed my loved ones and then seeing with my own eyes how he act so nonchalant about it--enjoying it, and even mocking me.
Ideally murderers shouldn't see the light of day as free men (or women) ever again. Also I really couldn't give a rat's ass gets out of his prison experience, what matters is what society gets and we'll never get anything useful out of him.
Angry Fork
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Haven't read all of the pages but based on the first page I'm likely in the vast minority that still cares more about rehabilitation for these people rather than torture/death. It should be the point of prison in my opinion, to at least attempt to create a functioning human being out of a sociopath.
I don't know what revenge/human sacrifice would solve for anyone but the mother. And if you think it's a waste of tax dollars then you might as well advocate the death by pistol of every violent, non repentant inmate.
How do you know this?
I don't know what revenge/human sacrifice would solve for anyone but the mother. And if you think it's a waste of tax dollars then you might as well advocate the death by pistol of every violent, non repentant inmate.
How do you know this?
Oh.. You are one of those people.
It's cute that you actually believe everyone can be rehabilitated.
Angry Fork
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Did not say that at all, I said there should be an attempt on everyone. If it is not successful then they obviously remain in prison.
Torture and human sacrifice is out of the question though.
Monocle
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Then you may have a moral blind spot. I advise you to look into ethics and consider why it might be wrong to torture a person who poses no harm to society.
No, you're right. That's why the affected party should have no say in the punishment of the criminal: invariably they'll want to satisfy their personal needs (for revenge, a sense of closure, etc.) rather than do what's best for society and what's consistent with the standard of justice we maintain to ensure that the government doesn't abuse people who are rightly or wrongly labeled as criminals.
If we want governing bodies and institutions to respect human rights, we can't be arbitrary or selective about it. We can't make exceptions by denying the humanity of the few people who go bad.
You have to think this one through, better let him forget how to talk and communicate in a hole than give him a rather "quick" but painful dead. Or well, just do the stoning, than let him heal and repeat the process. Those are the anger filled thoughts though, Monocle's position seems to be the right one here. He should still get slapped the shit out of him for his statement.
As a principle, I can agree with your point. But I also strongly believe some people are just too far gone to ever be rehabilitated. I don't care how much psychiatric evaluation and therapy a guy like this is subjected to, I still, at no point in the rest of his life, would not be comfortable with giving him back his freedom.
To gun down people like he did, then proceed to excibit the utter lack of empathy or remorse like here, I don't think he'll ever be turned into a just semi-decent human being.
Stop wasting my tax money on this kid. It shouldn't cost any of us money to keep him alive.
I hope this is what you were banned for, because you clearly deserve it.
I hope this is what you were banned for, because you clearly deserve it.
eternaLightness
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Ugh, so sickening. Sometimes I can't wrap my head around how people can be so evil.
If he was bullied, would it make him less evil?
Sho_Nuff82
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I don't think murder is the correct term for the equivalent of putting down a wild dog.
Roland Deschain
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What are the odds of his life being pretty comfortable in jail? Here in Belgium they put a horrible child rapist/murderer behind bars some time ago. Later it turns out that he has his own cell, a TV, game console, books etc.
So yeah, no more freedom sucks but a lot free people probably live in worse conditions than this piece of shit. Don't know what conditions/privileges are like in the US though.
So yeah, no more freedom sucks but a lot free people probably live in worse conditions than this piece of shit. Don't know what conditions/privileges are like in the US though.
Robot Pants
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ADABISI LIVES!!!
Tizoc
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What happened after that was found out?
To me, life in prison is worse than being executed. You're stuck there for the rest of your life, there's nothing you can do, nobody cares or wants to help you. You're not allowed to do anything, it's your life set until you die. I don't think there's anything more messed up than that.
He was 17 when he committed his crimes, more than old enough to understand the consequences of his actions, and that's the path he chose. He's clearly psychotic and so he'll be paying for his despicable actions.
I'd rather he be executed however, simply because keeping such prisoners like him alive is just a waste of tax-payer dollars. He'll never contribute to anything, why keep him around?
He was 17 when he committed his crimes, more than old enough to understand the consequences of his actions, and that's the path he chose. He's clearly psychotic and so he'll be paying for his despicable actions.
I'd rather he be executed however, simply because keeping such prisoners like him alive is just a waste of tax-payer dollars. He'll never contribute to anything, why keep him around?
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