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"Outlook not good" for Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth on Wii U, N3DS and Vita
- Thread starter Enter the Dragon Punch
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So basically he is saying that Afterbirth is more demanding than Xenoblade Chronicles X and Super Smash Bros U, and thus can't run on it?
Got it.
Lol ok
JHoNNy1OoO
Member
Man... no Vita would be incredibly disappointing. Of course I'll still play it on the PS4 but damn man. 
Really gotta wonder what the hell they are doing when it struggles to run on the Vita. I imagine the new bosses are where they are running into performance issues with the number of shots and explosions on screen.
Really gotta wonder what the hell they are doing when it struggles to run on the Vita. I imagine the new bosses are where they are running into performance issues with the number of shots and explosions on screen.
Check out this guy over here. The comedian.
Yeah, Nicalis is really making a shit name for the indie scene. Where other indies are putting a lot of effort into porting and releasing as soon as possible in every region Nicalis is delaying the shit out of everything and is being cheap on releasing in Europe in timely manner.
I still haven't forgotten how rubbish they are treating the 90's Arcade Racer backers.
I still haven't forgotten how rubbish they are treating the 90's Arcade Racer backers.
OminoMichelin
Member
I suspect the way they are running the game on 3DS/WiiU and Vita is just use some kind of wrapper and call it a day. Only reason I would think BoI wouldn't run well on WiiU is because of the CPU. It's a relatively CPU-intensive game.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
I would be upset if it wasn't for the reception of the dlc.
My thoughts exactly. If Rebirth didn't sell well enough then just say it, don't say it can't handle it.Well. Nicalis gonna Nicalis.
Considering the only reason we got a Vita version was likely due to Sony pushing it (with it coming to PS+ and all), it makes sense that he would be like "Well.....its just not worth our time man :l."
It bites but as someone who still has a LOT to dive into with Rebirth (....I suck at the game :'(), I don't mind hearing this news.
It bites but as someone who still has a LOT to dive into with Rebirth (....I suck at the game :'(), I don't mind hearing this news.
brainchild
Banned
Sooooo, the VITA can run this?
Go home, Tyrone. You're drunk.
Damn, that guys is mislead badly :').
The Wii U is at the power level of the PS3/360 but a bit more powerful. Games like Yoshi's Woolly World, Smash 4, Mario Kart 8, 3D World, Xenoblade X and other prove that time and time again.
The Vita is in-between a PSP and a PS3 power wise. Its not more powerful then a PS3 but its far more powerful then what the PSP can pull off. So, that leads the console being able to match most PS3 games graphically but they have to cut stuff down or face performance issues or other problems (look at the NG: Sigma ports; the first Sigma looked great but ran at 30FPS and the second Sigma game had bad performance issues and it was below 30FPS).
Sony proved when they did care about the console with games like Killzone and Tearaway that the system can produce great looking games that matched the PS3 and other developers did that too (Dangrompa Another Episode looks amazing on Vita; native res, great frame rate and tight controls).
lmao this dude
Sooooo, the VITA can run this?
Go home, Tyrone. You're drunk.
I think Vita could run XCX without much problem.
At half the resolution of that gif.
Conrad Link
Member
Nicalis are the worst.
Terrible PR and communication with the fans, every game release has some sort of problem or ten thousand year delay then they blame it on the console publishers every time for 'holding things up'. In PAL you're lucky if it's even a ten thousand year wait, 9 times out of 10 it's a forever wait.
Took over 4 months to fix the broken Achievements on Xbox One Isaac.
Then when asked if these games would come out in Australia/New Zealand for N3DS Tyrone said it wasn't needed and that everyone should just change the region to a store that has it available for purchase and give them money that way.... something that hasn't been doable on 3DS in years if you set up a NNID. :|
You cut indie developers some slack but these guys prove time and time again that they're completely inept. Many smaller, newer indie guys seem to manage much better than them which makes no sense.
Terrible PR and communication with the fans, every game release has some sort of problem or ten thousand year delay then they blame it on the console publishers every time for 'holding things up'. In PAL you're lucky if it's even a ten thousand year wait, 9 times out of 10 it's a forever wait.
Took over 4 months to fix the broken Achievements on Xbox One Isaac.
Then when asked if these games would come out in Australia/New Zealand for N3DS Tyrone said it wasn't needed and that everyone should just change the region to a store that has it available for purchase and give them money that way.... something that hasn't been doable on 3DS in years if you set up a NNID. :|
You cut indie developers some slack but these guys prove time and time again that they're completely inept. Many smaller, newer indie guys seem to manage much better than them which makes no sense.
That sums up Nicalis pretty well.
I never buy ports of Nicalis published games on day 1 because of how buggy they always turn out. I always wait until a lot of the bugs and issues get ironed out.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
The first time I tried to get our game to work on the Vita, it ran at sub 10 fps and crashed when trying to enter any large area. I realized that I had been taking for granted the power of the PS4 & your average computer to mask poorly optimized code so I went back, restructured a bunch of stuff, optimized a lot of code, and now the game runs well on the system.
I get that some games are just too ambitious and it's not reasonable to try to get them to run on a 3DS or Vita. However, if you have a low-res 2D indie game and can't get it to run properly on the Wii U, I'm going to guess it's a matter of having your priorities somewhere else more than anything.
I get that some games are just too ambitious and it's not reasonable to try to get them to run on a 3DS or Vita. However, if you have a low-res 2D indie game and can't get it to run properly on the Wii U, I'm going to guess it's a matter of having your priorities somewhere else more than anything.
Candescence
Member
I'm pretty sure Nicalis is mostly hands-off with that game. It's a Unity title and being done by one guy, to boot, to be fair.
Zombegoast
Member
Of course it is. Why do you think the Vita is getting more 3rd party support?
I doubt he's being serious.
Well Cave Story could have a lot of stuff on screen at once to, so they can just work on it for a couple more years and then we should be almost good to go.
Why does Nicalis keep getting business? They have a track record of ridulous delays and buggy releases with litte to no fixes. Still glad that Spelunky was never handled by them.
Why does Nicalis keep getting business? They have a track record of ridulous delays and buggy releases with litte to no fixes. Still glad that Spelunky was never handled by them.
You were saying that rhe ram was the issue but the number of things on screens isn't what fills the ram, assets are what take most of the memory, a single texture rendered 1000 times is still a single texture on the ram, it may cause slowdowns because you render it 1000 times but it doesn't give memory problems.
Dragon's Crown for example on the other hand had lots of unique, beautiful, big and well animated sprites, landscapes etc, those fill the ram, not BOI assets that are small, few and repeated.
You point physics and number of sprites, but those are exactly what i pointed too in my previous post(if you don't know spritebatching is a way to draw fast many sprites), i just disagree on the ram being the problem and that the wiiu(and maybe Vita too) can't handle it if well optimized.
From the screenshot thread, this is RE:R on 3dsHe's absolutely right.
Barely any difference at all.
And this is RE:R2 on Vita(not ported by Capcom)
Does it mean that the 3ds is more powerful than Vita?
He's obviously wrong though.
Great, now that BoI:Rebirth WiiU/3DS launched in PAL a bit ago (finally!!) and their ambiguous statements about Afterbirth for these platforms shortly before release, they are now able to say "fuck it, we don't really care" basically. That's just bad communication, it always was seen as a matter of "when" not "if at all". Or even "Lol, console's too weak anyway".
I hate this habit of releasing versions on other platforms without supporting it properly like other versions (at least without very good reasons). A habit, I've seen way too often with early WiiU games.
I'd rather have them think if they can fulfill the wishes of their customers (that they themselves created by announcing the add-on, hyping it together with the WiiU/ 3DS (PAL) releases) on the desired platform before releasing.
(Btw. BoI is born for Off-Tv Play. Quick sessions while catching up with your favourite tv shows etc.)
I hate this habit of releasing versions on other platforms without supporting it properly like other versions (at least without very good reasons). A habit, I've seen way too often with early WiiU games.
I'd rather have them think if they can fulfill the wishes of their customers (that they themselves created by announcing the add-on, hyping it together with the WiiU/ 3DS (PAL) releases) on the desired platform before releasing.
(Btw. BoI is born for Off-Tv Play. Quick sessions while catching up with your favourite tv shows etc.)
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Sounds like a BS excuse to be honest. I mean, I'm no programmer, but as others have pointed out, the Vita is no slouch.
And the Vita is basically my main platform for Isaac, so this is real kick in the balls.
Exactly.
And the Vita is basically my main platform for Isaac, so this is real kick in the balls.
Exactly.
"My tweets aren't bad, it's my keyboard's fault."
OminoMichelin
Member
There would be no reason not to say this in that case.
It's entirely possible that it's just Nicalis' fault, but then don't send Tyrone (and by extension the entire dev team) to take the brunt of the blow.
FreedomFighter
Member
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Oh it seems that this tyrone rodriguez guy actually has an account on GAF, let's see if he comes here to backup his statements.
That wasn't punny.
That wasn't punny at all!
From the screenshot thread, this is RE:R on 3ds
And this is RE:R2 on Vita(not ported by Capcom)
Does it mean that the 3ds is more powerful than Vita?
He's obviously wrong though.
Difference is you're comparing a new game to a remake and the other comparison was the same game on both systems.
Opinionatedfish
Member
I'll just get it on PS4. Unless he suddenly says THAT version is having problems. (LOL. But it could happen.. uh huh.)
Right now though, I'll be happy with optimized versions of the game on the Vita, N3DS, and Wii U. I'm okay if they just get those fully working and, maybe, add a little bit of the Afterbirth Content in that "works."
They could call it "The Binding of Isaac: Abortion Edition."
Because that would be amazing to see on the front page of the eShop.
Particle Effects. Also, it's running on, like, unoptimized Unity or something.
Right now though, I'll be happy with optimized versions of the game on the Vita, N3DS, and Wii U. I'm okay if they just get those fully working and, maybe, add a little bit of the Afterbirth Content in that "works."
They could call it "The Binding of Isaac: Abortion Edition."
Because that would be amazing to see on the front page of the eShop.
Particle Effects. Also, it's running on, like, unoptimized Unity or something.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Yea, no
eot
Banned
He's absolutely right.
Barely any difference at all.
I don't think the GPU matters much for BoI