I legit don't get the "the cover system is key. . ." arguments, especially after you choose your path it is pretty clear that healing is going to be tied to getting aggressive with the enemy (meaning NOT being in cover). I mean the Tricksters abilities are all focused on you being right next to the enemy. Who plays that and thinks "Yeah but remember when you told me to hit X a few hours ago in the beginning - why are you being contradictory!"
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Outriders demo | impressions thread
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I legit don't get the "the cover system is key. . ." arguments, especially after you choose your path it is pretty clear that healing is going to be tied to getting aggressive with the enemy (meaning NOT being in cover). I mean the Tricksters abilities are all focused on you being right next to the enemy. Who plays that and thinks "Yeah but remember when you told me to hit X a few hours ago in the beginning - why are you being contradictory!"
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
I don't think being different from the mold, means the devs didn't know what they wanted.
Having cover systems doesn't mean that's where they wanted the focus to be. And even in encounters you see the same behaviour: regular mobs will go into cover, but the powered enemies don't give a fuck about cover; it almost seems like the cover is just there for the enemies sake, otherwise you'd just swat them away like:
But agree to disagree I guess.
Lanrutcon
Member
That's a great point. Why release the demo with such a focus on the cover system after that tweet? Like, did something change or is it just incompetence or what? Their messaging is crazy weird, especially when it's such a derivative title. If they wanted to, let's say, distance themselves from Gears or the Division and not come off like a cheap substitute then scrap the fucking cover system for the love of God. You're making me wonder if there isn't some kind of weird story behind the development process of this game.
Tickle My Tendies
Member
With my Trickster I am literally never in cover. Literally. Never. I am behind you, shooting you in the fucking head with my shotgun and slicing your ass apart with my blades.
With my Pyro, I am in cover sometimes.
With my Techno I am in cover pretty often.
I like that there are distinctly difference playstyles. You can play how you like. This especially shines in co-op. The co-op synergies are, frankly, fantastic.
People who insist on playing the whole game solo might not get the most out of it, but that's normal with these kind of games.
Again, as I said before, there are issues here, especially on console, that I hope get ironed out by launch date, but I have played enough to say I will get a solid 30+ hours out of this at least.
(self own: I admit, I said same thing about Anthem. Gotta fully disclose that. But this feels better than Anthem, imo, even with its flaws)
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Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
But this is fucking cover shooter, you better get your ass in cover, dig in and play it like gears of war!
CuteFaceJay
Member
So is this a DLC for Destiny 2?
Lanrutcon
Member
Yes. All the little walls are a dead giveaway.
wOs
Member
What's with your attitude towards everyone?
Last time I checked being an adult meant not acting like a childish bully.
Have a conversation like a civilized person.
((hug))
on topic will download this weekend. After the acg video I was pretty soured on trying it, glad to see some people enjoying it.
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Tickle My Tendies
Member
From the dev's Mantra's of Survival video before the demo dropped
"The scared hide, and the hesitant die"
Almost like they were trying to tell us something......
"The scared hide, and the hesitant die"
Almost like they were trying to tell us something......
Lanrutcon
Member
Ogbert
Member
Then why include it?
It's not so much the ability to take cover, as a one off. Rather, why include a button prompt, a la Division, that allows you to hop from one barrier to the next? So far, every battle seems to be based in an 'arena' with cover littered everywhere, as if it wants you to progress from one side of the other, via cover. If it's not important, a vast majority of it becomes redundant.
Obviously, completely agree that that's not how you should play - you need to be as aggressive as possible to maintain health. But if that's the case, make the cover mechanic much, *much* more dynamic.
It feels like it should have a slide button instead, where you duck behind something and then immediately pop out again.
The balance at the moment feels off.
Ogbert
Member
Yes. That design changed halfway through, the long distance gunplay isn't good enough, the skills are imbalanced and don't lend themselves to cover, so we therefore removed the on-demand heals from most characters and instead added a weird leech system that doesn't really make sense.
Ogbert
Member
. . .what doesn't make sense about the healing system? They are all pretty straight forward and encourage getting in and fighting to various degrees for the characters.
As for cover being in the game if it isn't emphasized: it's a shooter, you kind of need it. No one plays flawlessly and a mistake in combat can be fixed by backing off and returning to cover while your cooldowns reset.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Here's the full bit instead of the snippet from the tweet.
The powers in the game go through, under, around walls to either pull enemies out of cover, allow you to get around the cover, or outright kill groups of them in massive aoes. All your healing is based around using your powers to wipe out enemies quickly and in large numbers. You can go from a sliver of health to a full bar if you manage to kill mobs quickly. If you go into cover for any length of time, you have grenades landing beside you very quickly, a sniper staggering you out of it or Captain/Altered powers flushing you out. This demo actively punishes you for staying in cover for more than a couple seconds.
The only times I've used cover in the demo after the prologue is to quickly close distance on someone like a sniper if there's no close enemy around that I can slingshot off of.
But you do make a good point. The prologue did itself a massive disservice with how they first introduce you to the game especially by introducing you to the cover system first before your powers. Hell, I probably would have treated it like a cover shooter if I hadn't seen the above youtube vid and also the fact that I've played Bulletstorm which gave me a good idea of the type of game People Can Fly likes to make and how they generally intend you to play.
I think there's also the fact that the powers don't really open up until you start equipping blues at which point you're throwing powers out every couple seconds, completely obliterating everyone within a 50 foot radius, and staying in cover is actually severely limiting you.
Mind you, this is all based off the demo and basically the prologue of the game. The full game could be drastically different. Regardless, I've had fun with it so far, so I'm definitely interested in seeing how it turns out once the full game is live.
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Danteyke223
Member
Any time somebody says it has bulletsponge enemies I'll just refer to them to this video I made today:
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Probably link your accounts here first:I feel stupid...i already have a square enix account, what the hell do i have to do to play this fucking demo on ps5?!
Please wait ...
secure.square-enix.com
Ogbert
Member
But in this game, you don't really need it. Well, not from what we've seen so far.
You can hide and wait for a quarter of your bar to fill, but after that you need to got and shoot something. Perhaps, at higher difficulties, you will need it to wait for your interrupt ability to recharge (which seems to be the longest cooldown).
I'm certainly not disagreeing with you on how the game is supposed to be played. I just don't think the mechanics really gel. And if cover is used solely to wait for abilities to recharge, they should reduce the amount of cover available and make the movement more dynamic.
Anyway, off to give it another go now.
NullZ3r0
Banned
Stop playing it like Gears of War and move around.
NullZ3r0
Banned
I was pissed too but my anger turned into bewilderment when it turned out I already had an account. Don't ask me from what game.
NullZ3r0
Banned
They basically developed a Gears of War clone (due to working on a Gears game before), probably was afraid of getting sued by Microsoft and so abandoned it at the last minute.
Valt7786
Member
Nah I feel ya, getting bored of all these games having like 2 decent female hairstyles and the rest being side-shaved mullets or combovers.
GymWolf
Member
that link doesn't accept my id\password, and i know they are right because i did a log off\log in in the square site...
Edit: ok i'm in, i had to connect the square account to the psn.
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Sygma
Member
Had hilarious times with this demo, the writing is also good and from what I've gathered about the beta, its going to be some good shit at endgame since it will be resolved strictly around time trials in harsh conditions.
Funnily enough, few times I've died was when I actually was taking cover but as soon as I started sprinting + melee everywhere inbetween power cooldowns and gnashing everything around, it became a cakewalk basically. Devastator for me was the best class and I'll be grabbing this for 30 bucks on a cd key site
Funnily enough, few times I've died was when I actually was taking cover but as soon as I started sprinting + melee everywhere inbetween power cooldowns and gnashing everything around, it became a cakewalk basically. Devastator for me was the best class and I'll be grabbing this for 30 bucks on a cd key site
eastcoastkody
Member
Trickster is really fun to play as. Pyro and Technomancer aren't. I had a good time with the demo, but the most damning thing i can say about it. Is i have no urge to play the demo again. Which 9 times out of 10 with a beta or something, i will play it more than the day it launches. Heck the Anthem and Avengers betas i played nonstop until they expired. You just get sent out into these small linear maps. And then after completing it there is no respawning enemies to return to or anything. U can just play the mission again i guess?
I think the story is good - or at least it has a straight narrative that isn't trying to be more than it needs to be (ANTHEM and DESTINY spring to mind). The cutscene direction though REALLY hurts the story they are trying to tell and some of the VA work is inconsistent.
. . other than that they've laid some good groundwork for killing things come April.
SCB3
Member
Varteras
Gold Member
Even as a demo this felt like it lacked A LOT of polish. Captions not showing up when they're talking. Audio desyncing with the image on screen. The cutscenes often felt like they ended or switched perspectives too abruptly. The character you play constantly being referred to as Outrider or Boss by people who should be much more intimate with you made it impossible for me to take any emotional connections seriously. Visually, the demo on PS4 Pro looks.... rough. Blurring, texture pop-in, and only passable character models. The level design is just boring to me. Uninspiring. So far I only tried the Technomancer and I was not impressed. Behind cover my trajectory arrow was always a pain to see where what I was throwing would land. I played for a couple hours and I'm planning on doing it again later today with friends but I am not at all impressed.
HellforLeather
Member
I knew nothing about this game before playing the demo. The story went from a K-Mart Mass Effect to mother fucking Mad Max in the blink of an eye. Did not see that coming.
The game is pretty generic so far. Not terrible but not great either. Gameplay feels like a discount Gears of War. Like imagine Gears but if all the weapons had the impact of a pop gun.
The game is pretty generic so far. Not terrible but not great either. Gameplay feels like a discount Gears of War. Like imagine Gears but if all the weapons had the impact of a pop gun.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah the thechnomancer felt wrong, I had more fun with pyro and tank.
dark_knightmare2
Member
Lol the game plays nothing like the Division have you actually tried it? Oh and it’s def not a cover shooter not even close so you can quit repeating that. It wants you to play aggressively at all times hell the healing system being set up the way it is proves that.
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Lanrutcon
Member
Oh hey. Welcome to the thread! You're like, 4 hours late for the conversation. Have fun reading everything, because smarter people than you already had this discussion. I doubt you have anything to contribute except poor grammar and the overuse of internet slang that people stop using when they reach adulthood.
(ah shit, that makes 3 people! sorry, W w0s )
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SCB3
Member
Alright I went back to it a few hours later and managed to get past this boss after a few more attempts, it reminds of Remnant: from the Ashes a lot, which is not a bad thing, the checkpoints are super forgiving as well, straight back into the action, which I like a lot.
The Demo's last boss is actually super easy though compared to the Side Mission bosses, so that maybe where the good content will be?
Still I'm not 100% sold, but its got a month to go for fixes, so I can imagine the final game being a solid 7 or 8/10 game
Stuart360
Member
It actually reminds me a lot of The Division, and The Division 2 was one of my fave games from last gen.
01011001
Banned
PC players beware:
Well it is a shooter game.
don't come at me with that PC mouse and keyboard masterrace bullshit, I'll destroy you in any (good) shooter on controller any time
too bad there are still incompetent idiot devs out there like these who still haven't learned how to properly do controller aiming. incompetent fucks.
for real, any developer who works on a shooter like this should be forced to play Apex Legends and Warframe on controller for 200h. there you got the 2 gold standards for First Person Shooter controls and Third Person Shooter controls on controller. so that they can feel how much of a terrible job they have done on their own shitty ass game
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CitizenZ
Banned
Whats a gears of War, sounds like something from the 80's
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
A lot of jankyness in the cutscenes
Love the gameplay though. Trickster is so fun
Love the gameplay though. Trickster is so fun
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Seems like a mix of Defiance and Division. The cutscene and voice acting is cringy. The story is ridiculously bad so far. The shooting is boring, typical 3rd person cover. The graphics are not good. This game has bomb written all over it unless it has a great gameplay loop and end game.
GymWolf
Member
The game is fun to play and at least on ps5 the graphics are perfectly fine for a AA title.
The controls\cover are a bit janky tho.
The tank class play a lot like the tank class in anthem except the flying around, running around smashing enemies from close distance with melee and abilities with the occasional shotgun to the face.
And this is clearly not a classic cover shooter except for when you need a small pause to recharge weapons or abilities, enemies spam granades and come at you far more aggressively than gears and moving around the map is more easy because there is far less of the gears exagerated zoom on the characters while sprinting and the character itself turn angles more easily (sorry i don't know how to explain myself better).
The gunplay is decent and the gore is good, i was expecting a little better tho, destiny2 or division2 this is not.
Story and chara are acceptable for the type of game, onestly better than destiny 2 and anthem first hours, cutscenes are pretty buggy tho.
It's not gonna win any award and it has 68-72 Mc written all over it (for people who cares about scores) but it's a decent game to kill time while waiting for bigger releases.
The controls\cover are a bit janky tho.
The tank class play a lot like the tank class in anthem except the flying around, running around smashing enemies from close distance with melee and abilities with the occasional shotgun to the face.
And this is clearly not a classic cover shooter except for when you need a small pause to recharge weapons or abilities, enemies spam granades and come at you far more aggressively than gears and moving around the map is more easy because there is far less of the gears exagerated zoom on the characters while sprinting and the character itself turn angles more easily (sorry i don't know how to explain myself better).
The gunplay is decent and the gore is good, i was expecting a little better tho, destiny2 or division2 this is not.
Story and chara are acceptable for the type of game, onestly better than destiny 2 and anthem first hours, cutscenes are pretty buggy tho.
It's not gonna win any award and it has 68-72 Mc written all over it (for people who cares about scores) but it's a decent game to kill time while waiting for bigger releases.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Played some more on PC. Cutscenes need some love on PC its really jarring hitting these 30fps speed bumps. The getting in and out of cover seems a bit off as well. Overall really enjoying it so I preordered. Sure some of these things will be addressed by launch.
Thabass
Member
Could be. I genuinely don't really know how to kill him. I could be completely wrong.
GymWolf
Member
They already confirmed no 30 fps block at launch for cutscenes.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
I think he heals if you let him charge his power?
