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Overwatch Beta League plagued with cheaters

Tecnniqe

Banned
Overwatch "pro" league is plagued with cheaters it would seem.

This week alone 2 "pro" players have been caught using aimbots during the tournament

First was Taimou (This jackass also had the balls to do a interview about OW: http://eurheilu.com/artikkelit/inte...ddition-taimou-blizzard-has-made-a-good-game/ )

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4i8dxh/anyone_else_think_this_is_a_little_suspicious/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKOO4K9F2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1d04Q4XO30

You can clearly see the revive fucks up his aimbot. Lmao.

The next out is Surefour


https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4ihlm7/video_proof_of_surelock_hacking/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhkM0J65hw&feature=youtu.be&t=5000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0V7axBnq3A - Slow down to .25 and watch soldier kill @12 sec mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhkM0J65hw&feature=youtu.be&t=2368 - Slow down to .25 to see 180 snap
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Some reference webm's with slow-mo in which you can see the aim snap and struggle to find its players correctly. wonky indeed.


This does not bode well for Overwatch as a e-sport imo as these players ARE STILL PLAYING in leagues and somehow not banned.

I do hope Blizzard will hit down on this hard, but seeing as a russian site is already selling aimbots and have far over 3k+ downloads this does not bode well for the healthy competition of the teams right now.

Perhaps what Overwatch needs is a Overwatch of their own.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
The game is not out yet how the hell is there a pro league already

Beta pro leagues have been going since CB and OB and will continue in the full release. (First was hosted in Nov. 2015 i think?)

However theres seems to be at least 1 cheater in most of these teams and they keep knocking out the other in the competition.
 

Killyoh

Member
I don't understand how Taimou is cheating since I have no idea how an aimbot works, but that's a shame if it's true.
 

marrec

Banned
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but it seems that if a burgeoning pro-league for Overwatch will have any kind of real cash attached to it they will probably try very hard to self-police if anything.

I dunno though I don't follow FPS pro-leagues.

But oh my stars that aimbot :lol
 

Volodja

Member
The game is not out yet how the hell is there a pro league already
I mean, the game has its roots in pretty enstablished games.
Some people that were good at said games just transitioned.

Also, the CB has had its time to mature some competitive community.
 

Kinyou

Member
I don't understand how Taimou is cheating since I have no idea how an aimbot works, but that's a shame if it's true.
You can see his aim snap to one of the enemies who just respawned far away. It would make no sense that he'd aim over there unless it's an aimbot directing his aim.

Edit: in the other video with the revive it's even more obvious. Snapping back and forth like that is simply not a natural movement.
 
I don't understand how Taimou is cheating since I have no idea how an aimbot works, but that's a shame if it's true.

Lol really, you watched the clip? Dude uses a bot, meaning the computer aims at the enemy for him. Then he tries to get the next shot ready, but the enemy team gets revived by the support hero Mercy and the aimbot can't decide which target to pick, so it jumps extremely fast between targets.

Thats why all his shots are on target but as soon as there is the revive, his crosshair starts jittering like mad.
 

Dance Inferno

Unconfirmed Member
Wow man. I've been watching these tournaments for several months now and always thought Surefour and Taimou were pretty impressive. Lost all respect for them now. What a shame.

Blizzard definitely needs to strike, and strike hard. If they let this slide, then we'll definitely be seeing aimbots in regular play, which would kill the game.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
This stuff can't be done on consoles can it?

It can. Its much harder on the current gen as its still a well locked down OS, but once cracked you can run anything on them really.

Look at JTAG 360 and such.

Wow man. I've been watching these tournaments for several months now and always thought Surefour and Taimou were pretty impressive. Lost all respect for them now. What a shame.

Blizzard definitely needs to strike, and strike hard. If they let this slide, then we'll definitely be seeing aimbots in regular play, which would kill the game.


Taimou also did a interview about OW which is quite impressive considering what we know now. Added it to OP for reference.
 

Luigi87

Member
I'm fairly positive I was in a match against someone with an aimbot the other night. His Hanzo headshots were way too accurate, especially getting them occasionally the moment someone would exit cover without seeing said person prior.


Anywho, I thought you said in the beta thread that Blizzard doesn't have anti-cheat running during their betas?
 
I swear I've met people using aimbot shit casually as well, getting one shotted by hanzo and widowmaker from far away immediately and the replay has them snapping to where I'm at when they weren't even looking in that direction beforehand.
 

Hasney

Member
I'm fairly positive I was in a match against someone with an aimbot the other night. His Hanzo headshots were way too accurate, especially getting them occasionally the moment someone would exit cover without seeing said person prior.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a traditional aimbot wouldn't work well with Hanzo, right, because it has to calculate drop and it isn't hitscan?
 

ekim

Member
It's pretty dumb to use such obvious cheats, no? I mean everyone can watch their plays. What's the reason for cheating after all? Longer e-pen?
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
It would be beautiful if people were blacklisted before actually buying the game.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a traditional aimbot wouldn't work well with Hanzo, right, because it has to calculate drop and it isn't hitscan?


That's a non-issue. TF2 has plenty of cheats for it, and many weapons aren't hitscan.
 
what's worrying about this is how slack blizzard is towards cheaters and botters. unless you're cheating at a world first in WoW or doing something that would normally cost money for free, they really don't seem to care
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
I'm fairly positive I was in a match against someone with an aimbot the other night. His Hanzo headshots were way too accurate, especially getting them occasionally the moment someone would exit cover without seeing said person prior.


Anywho, I thought you said in the beta thread that Blizzard doesn't have anti-cheat running during their betas?

Warden (This AC) is usually/have never been in their Beta builds. But considering how rampant bots and such are in WoW/D3 im a bit frightened about how common cheating seems to be in league play right now

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a traditional aimbot wouldn't work well with Hanzo, right, because it has to calculate drop and it isn't hitscan?

Aimbots know which weapons you hold and as such can switch aim distance / height on the fly or you can simply macro the bot to adjust the "pitch" up/down
 

Hasney

Member
Aimbots know which weapons you hold and as such can switch aim distance / height on the fly or you can simply macro the bot to adjust the "pitch" up/down

Well, fuck. I suppose erratic movements would fool it since it's not hitscan, but damn.

btw: this won't be a big problem on consoles, right?

Depends on when the XB1 and/or PS4 get hacked and how.
 

Luigi87

Member
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a traditional aimbot wouldn't work well with Hanzo, right, because it has to calculate drop and it isn't hitscan?

Possibly. It's just he was camped on the far side of the map getting kills that one would expect more from Widowmaker. Mind you I can't actually prove the player was using it, but it did seem incredibly suspect to me at the time.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a traditional aimbot wouldn't work well with Hanzo, right, because it has to calculate drop and it isn't hitscan?

Of course it would work, you just program the aimbot to calculate the physics. You think Battlefield games are cheat free because there is no hitscan in the game?
 

Wanchan

Member
That's the biggest - point of PC gaming for me, it's so easy to cheat your way to victory.

First two videos are super obvious.
 

Zackat

Member
what's worrying about this is how slack blizzard is towards cheaters and botters. unless you're cheating at a world first in WoW or doing something that would normally cost money for free, they really don't seem to care
There's been more ban waves for WoW in the past year than I can remember in a long time. 2 of them. 2.
 

DrArchon

Member
People that use aimbots and shit are human scum.

Hopefully once the game is finally released Blizzard and the associated leagues will be able to crack down on this shit. Perma-bans for anyone using this wouldn't be out of the question imo.
 

nOoblet16

Member
I'm fairly positive I was in a match against someone with an aimbot the other night. His Hanzo headshots were way too accurate, especially getting them occasionally the moment someone would exit cover without seeing said person prior.


Anywho, I thought you said in the beta thread that Blizzard doesn't have anti-cheat running during their betas?

Could be but don't rule out the possibility that could have had the widowmaker infrared sight or Hanzo's sonic arrow, I've killed a lot of people like this because I know exactly when they are coming out and I already have my aim up ready to hit them the moment they are visible.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
I don't even think the beta has their anti cheat active. So I don't think this will be a continued issue.

Might be, we dont know.

But its bit scary with evidence and still nothing from Blizz is it not?

Could be but don't rule out the possibility that could have had the widowmaker infrared sight or Hanzo's sonic arrow, I've killed a lot of people like this because I know exactly when they are coming out and I already have my aim up ready to hit them the moment they are visible.

True but league play got the character shadow color so you see everyone behind walls + IR from widow is visible on killcam/spectate so you can easily see if someone snap to heads behind walls and such
 

khaaan

Member
Well that's a shame, there was a tracer I was playing against over the weekend who was kind of stupid good. Might have been using aimbots
but the rest of us sucking is also just as likely
.

Oh well. Hope there's some sort of counter in the future, until then I'll just have to try and play with good people.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
Could be but don't rule out the possibility that could have had the widowmaker infrared sight or Hanzo's sonic arrow, I've killed a lot of people like this because I know exactly when they are coming out and I already have my aim up ready to hit them the moment they are visible.

The replays show if such skills were active, so no.
 
I don't even think the beta has their anti cheat active. So I don't think this will be a continued issue.

their anti-cheat tends to be passive-aggressive. In the last season of Diablo 3 for example, people that cheated their way to the very top of the competitive ladder didn't get banned until the week before the season ended. While that was probably part of their plan (to ban them late so they couldn't recover) the effect is that for 3 months cheaters cheated with impunity. My concern is that same sort of mentality (ban waves that take months to develop and wash across the community like a tsunami) will mean months of time where cheaters can ruin games for everyone.
 

ekim

Member
So you can watch whole match replays? (so every move will be recorded like in racing game replays) Even if I would want to use cheats it would be more than obvious. WTF?
 

nOoblet16

Member
It can. Its much harder on the current gen as its still a well locked down OS, but once cracked you can run anything on them really.

Look at JTAG 360 and such.




Taimou also did a interview about OW which is quite impressive considering what we know now. Added it to OP for reference.

Well it's not really "harder" on current gen, it's practically impossible on current gen will be so until the OS is opened up. People don't mean can console games be hacked because they can be if the OS is opened up, what they mean is will the console version for this game suffer from this issue now.

The situation with Diablo 3 only exists because Blizzard allowed hacked PS360 version characters to be transferred to PS4.
 

Iadien

Guarantee I'm going to screw up this post? Yeah.
This is one reason of many for why I dislike that community servers aren't going to be a thing. TF2 obviously has cheaters, but we can ban these people immediately. Who knows how long Blizzard will take to ban cheaters.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned
So you can watch whole match replays? (so every move will be recorded like in racing game replays) Even if I would want to use cheats it would be more than obvious. WTF?

Game records all highlights of each player at the very least, if not all the matches for playback later + anyone can spectate anyone in a game.
 

spineduke

Unconfirmed Member
their anti-cheat tends to be passive-aggressive. In the last season of Diablo 3 for example, people that cheated their way to the very top of the competitive ladder didn't get banned until the week before the season ended. While that was probably part of their plan (to ban them late so they couldn't recover) the effect is that for 3 months cheaters cheated with impunity. My concern is that same sort of mentality (ban waves that take months to develop and wash across the community like a tsunami) will mean months of time where cheaters can ruin games for everyone.

I doubt they'll follow the same policy here - heavy cheating in a pvp game will easily cause the game to bleed players.
 
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